Brits post your votes tomorrow to stop the Fascist BNP

[Plekhanov]

I know there are a few people eligible to vote in Britain on the board so I hope people won’t mind me bringing this up again.

The UK is holding Local and European elections on June 10th that’s this Thursday and the Fascist BNP have a good chance of gaining some councillors and maybe even some seats at the European Parliament.

All you need to do to stop them is vote as the higher the turnout the worse they’ll do, please vote for anybody but the BNP and help keep this racist scum off the councils and out of the European Parliament. Even if you don’t normally vote and don’t support any of the parties standing please vote just to keep the BNP out.

For those of you in the four regions with postal voting tomorrow (Wednesday) is the final deadline to get them posted. So if you haven’t already done so please get them in the post.

Here’s a little information about the BNP for those of you unfamiliar with them.

They are an racist party (warning the next 2 links take you to the BNPs site)

They have a policy of the repatriation of all none white Europeans from Britain
(this used to be compulsory but was recently changed to voluntary).

They have a policy against mixed race relationships.

The leader Nick Griffin has described the Holocaust as “the holohoax’.

The BNP has links with the Ku Klux Klan Nick Griffin has spoken on platforms along side Bill Duke.

London nailbomber David Copeland was a BNP member.

Their military wing Combat18 takes its name from the position in the alphabet of Hitler’s initials.

If anybody has any further doubts I suggest they try following these links:
www.searchlightmagazine.com
www.stopthebnp.com
and also this excellent but slightly out of date BBC site.

[HemlockGrey]

Most of what I saw disgusted me, but this made me break down in laughter:

A: We mean the bonds of culture, race, identity and roots of the native British peoples of the British Isles. We have lived in these islands near on 40,000 years! We were made by these islands, and these islands are our home. When we in the BNP talk about being British, we talk about the native peoples who have lived in these islands since before the Stone Age, and the relatively small numbers of peoples of almost identical stock, such as the Saxons, Vikings and Normans, and the Irish, who have come here and assimilated.

This is ridicolously distorted and unintentionally hilarious without even mentioning that they somehow left out the Celts and the Romans.

[Frank Hipper]

When David Duke ran for president, it was a sad joke to all but his pitifully few followers.
For all the bashing we Americans recieve for being intolerant troglodytes, an actual party running for office with pride in a blatantly racist, fascist, nazi agenda like is inconcieveable here.

After all, the only reason the KKK still exists is because they keep their heads down. The may be big shit in Cornhole County, Arkansas, but you don't see them in New York or Washington D.C. these days.

[SirNitram]

The dangers of not shackling yourself to a two party system.

VOTE MONSTER RAVING LOONIES!

BECAUSE A GUY IN A LOBSTER SUIT IS BETTER THAN A NAZI!

It is a lobster suit this year, isn't it?

[Faram]

Okay that's it I am going to wote against those geeks (we have them in Sweden also) Horrid Linky

Anything is better than those assclowns.

[2000AD]

I've already posted off my vote against the BNP. Pity there was no Monster Raving Loonie standing in my election.

[Plekhanov]

shame to see a once great party in decline they never really got over the death of Screaming Lord Sutch

[2000AD]

shame to see a once great party in decline they never really got over the death of Screaming Lord Sutch

Isn't Patric moore a MRL ?

[Admiral Valdemar]

Most of what I saw disgusted me, but this made me break down in laughter:

A: We mean the bonds of culture, race, identity and roots of the native British peoples of the British Isles. We have lived in these islands near on 40,000 years! We were made by these islands, and these islands are our home. When we in the BNP talk about being British, we talk about the native peoples who have lived in these islands since before the Stone Age, and the relatively small numbers of peoples of almost identical stock, such as the Saxons, Vikings and Normans, and the Irish, who have come here and assimilated.

This is ridicolously distorted and unintentionally hilarious without even mentioning that they somehow left out the Celts and the Romans.

I can play pedant too.

Go back a couple of million years and you have us living in Africa.

Guess the "Out of Africa" theory is unknown to these idiots.

[Ubiquitous]

It's too late to stop the BNP. They have already pushed the inept Tories and Lib Dems below them in my local area. BNP are now second place behind Labour, and are expected to do even better on Thursday.

Almost everyone I have spoken to in my brief visist back to my local ward [Tameside, I'm at Uni presently in Sheffield] are voting BNP at least once out of their three votes. When asked why, they call it a protest vote.

I voted Tories, as always. They may be the fourth most popular part around here, but since its proportional representation, my vote for them in the EU elections should mean something.

[2000AD]

I voted Lib Dems as they were the only (sane) party to actually put out a manifesto. All the other garbles on about what they (or others) had done, not what they were going to do. Most of the points were the same anyway.

[Ubiquitous]

I'd like to state, before I forget, that I blame the hysteria of the left wing for creating the excessive publicity that has made the BNP so popular. Labours and the LibDems unpopularity, coupled with many peoples deep-rooted resentment of the Tories, has played right into the hands of the BNP when they are constantly discussed by the aformentioned parties.

They have handled the situation really, really poorly.

[Plekhanov]

Isn't Patric moore a MRL ?

I shouldn’t think so he has a nice eccentric image what with the xylophone playing and everything but he’s actually extremely right wing, not BNP right wing but far to the right of the Tories.

[Plekhanov]

I'd like to state, before I forget, that I blame the hysteria of the left wing for creating the excessive publicity that has made the BNP so popular.

What complete bull shit the BNP are resurgent principally because they have piggybacked on the ongoing immigration/asylum seekers hysteria that much of the British press (the bit that supports the Tories actually) has been whipping up over the last few years and also because of the growth of Islamophobia since 9.11.

Most people don’t realise that the BNP are the “All White Britain” party they think they are merely anti-immigration, which is what nearly all their campaigning has been on, you don’t see “deport all none whites” and “ban mixed race relationships” on much of their publicity. If we simply ignore the BNP the won’t go away they’ll grow and grow we have to do everything we can to fight them NOW before they get anymore of a toe hold and do any more damage to our society.

Even your leader Michael Howard realises this do you not remember his well publicised speech this February criticising the BNP here it is to remind you.

Even some of the BNP’s more recent members don’t even release the truth about the party they joined did you miss the story about Maureen Stowe a BNP councillor who left the party and now works with Unite Against Fascism after she learnt the true nature of the party. You probably disapprove of her as well though don’t you because she’s playing into the BNP’s hands by telling every body who will listen that they are lying, rascist scum.

I suppose I’ve just been wasting my time with UAF as well haven’t I because we’ve been publishing the BNP by canvassing and leafleting and letting people know what they are really like, whereas what we should have done is let the BNP leaflet and canvas without anybody working against their lies.

Labours and the LibDems unpopularity,

The LibDems are doing pretty well actually we hope to take back Sheffield for example.

coupled with many peoples deep-rooted resentment of the Tories, has played right into the hands of the BNP when they are constantly discussed by the aformentioned parties.

Yes the Labour are in real trouble and the Tories have run a bad campaign + UKIP seem to be taking a lot of your core support

They have handled the situation really, really poorly.

Yes they have but not in the way you think, the Tories helped the BNP by cynically exploiting the trivial asylum seeker issue, Labour didn’t fight hard enough against the Tories and the likes of the Daily Mail and the Sun on immigration and neglected too many “safe” seats on sink housing estates and so forth allowing the BNP to move in whilst Labour concentrated everything upon marginals, and I don’t think the Lib Dems have been open enough in opposing the BNP.

The BNP thrive upon ignorance and apathy we can’t just close our eyes and hope they go away because they won’t they’ll get stronger, the only way to beat them is to take them on and let people know what they are really like.

[Ubiquitous]

I'd like to state, before I forget, that I blame the hysteria of the left wing for creating the excessive publicity that has made the BNP so popular.

What complete bull shit the BNP are resurgent principally because they have piggybacked on the ongoing immigration/asylum seekers hysteria that much of the British press (the bit that supports the Tories actually) has been whipping up over the last few years and also because of the growth of Islamophobia since 9.11.

I'm not talking about national issues here. I'm talking exclusively locally, since these are the local elections [which your anti-war leader, Kennedy, seems to forget with his one-issue Iraq war campaign].

My local newspaper, the Advertiser, is delivered free to all people in Tameside. Sadly, the last three [yes, THREE] weeks have had frontpages with either anti-BNP or Labour/Lib-Dem stories on why we shouldn't vote for the BNP, along with their much vaunted chuch support. Tthe Tories are too weak around here to even be mentioned - they regually don't field candidates at all due to their lack of support.

[q]Most people don’t realise that the BNP are the “All White Britain” party they think they are merely anti-immigration, which is what nearly all their campaigning has been on, you don’t see “deport all none whites” and “ban mixed race relationships” on much of their publicity.[/q]

I disagree with that. I'd say almost all people are aware what they are voting for. This nievity [spelling] is what is costing us dear: we need to realise that the people that vote for the BNP don't think like liberals. Many ARE rascist. Many DON'T LIKE the political establishment which they see as corrupt. Instead of whining about the BNP in the papers, the parties should do something to get their act together. For example, our local Labour MP, Mr. Oldham, is much critisied for the £50,000 private car parking spot he had built for himself in Ashton town centre. On a personal level, I hate the guy because he REFUSED FLAT OUT to allow for my history class to visit Parliament on a trip during my A Levels. His reason? Because we were Grant Maintained. I guess I'm going off track here, I just wanted to vent at how poor our local area is when it comes to politics, and perhaps give a reasoning behind the protest votes.

[q]If we simply ignore the BNP the won’t go away they’ll grow and grow we have to do everything we can to fight them NOW before they get anymore of a toe hold and do any more damage to our society.[/q]

If we ignore them, how do they gain exposure to attract new people? In 1998, most people of my age had never heard of the BNP. These days, they are house hold names due to the mass hysteria that surrounds them.

[q]Even your leader Michael Howard realises this do you not remember his well publicised speech this February criticising the BNP here it is to remind you.[/q]

He did a great job with that. I was very pleased about everything he said, and thankfully he does not go on about it ad nausium like my local MP's do, giving the BNP extended exposure instead of a short, sharp smackdown like MH gave them.

[q]Even some of the BNP’s more recent members don’t even release the truth about the party they joined did you miss the story about Maureen Stowe a BNP councillor who left the party and now works with Unite Against Fascism after she learnt the true nature of the party. You probably disapprove of her as well though don’t you because she’s playing into the BNP’s hands by telling every body who will listen that they are lying, rascist scum.[/q]

Don't speak for me! I think she did the right thing, but to be honest I think she's a dumb bitch for joining the BNP in the first place. I'd go as far to say she is a lier in not knowing how the BNP operate. EVERYONE knows what they stand for unless they have their heads buried in the sand. But at least she admitted her mistakes. People like her should be thankful for getting a second chance from Joe public.

[q]I suppose I’ve just been wasting my time with UAF as well haven’t I because we’ve been publishing the BNP by canvassing and leafleting and letting people know what they are really like, whereas what we should have done is let the BNP leaflet and canvas without anybody working against their lies.[/q]

Yeah I think you guys are wasting your time. People already know the score about the BNP, I doubt you are going to change anyones minds about them at this stage, after the concerted media barrage against them the past 4 years.

Sorry. I'm sure you believe you are doing a noble good, but your efforts would probably be best spent backing one of the two major main-stream parties, the only ones who can comfortably smackdown the BNP en mass.

Labours and the LibDems unpopularity,

[q]The LibDems are doing pretty well actually we hope to take back Sheffield for example.[/q]

What? LD are doing shit! On Newsnight just now, it was mentioned that they could be forced into a humiliating fourth due to UKIP!

[q]

coupled with many peoples deep-rooted resentment of the Tories, has played right into the hands of the BNP when they are constantly discussed by the aformentioned parties.

Yes the Labour are in real trouble and the Tories have run a bad campaign + UKIP seem to be taking a lot of your core support[/q]

I don't mind UKIP. Us moderate rights should stick together. Interesting to note, Tony Blair's face is not on a single Labour banner this year. Last elections, he was on 52. Labour are on the way out. Maybe not in the next general election, but the one after that...

[q]

They have handled the situation really, really poorly.

Yes they have but not in the way you think, the Tories helped the BNP by cynically exploiting the trivial asylum seeker issue,[/q]

Trivial in YOUR book. To MANY Britons, it is an important issue. The arrogance of labeling such popular issues as trivial is what makes people make protest votes in the first place! Don't you people understand that?

The BNP thrive upon ignorance and apathy we can’t just close our eyes and hope they go away because they won’t they’ll get stronger, the only way to beat them is to take them on and let people know what they are really like.

I really disagree with you. EVERYONE knows what the BNP stand for now. The continuing media and political hysteria that surround them have enabled them to achieve artifically high support. It's time the political parties take a different approach to them. Yes, they should be critised. But not all year long. It's like the forum troll: it thrieves on replies like "You're a fucking prick!". If you ignore troll, it gets bored and either destroys itself by going too far and getting banned, or just gets bored and goes.

I believe the BNP will self-implode in the next few years if we leave them to it. If they are ignored, their support will go down. Then the party will have to change, and hopefully the party will fracture again as infighting consumes it like all far-right groups in this country post-war have done.

Time will tell.

[Ubiquitous]

Oh shit. Sorry about my quote tags, that fucking inexcusably bad...

[sketerpot]

Behold, for your beholding pleasure, some of the most blatantly idiotic sections of their FAQ (complete with biased commentary!):

"Racism" is when you ‘hate’ another ethnic group. We don't 'hate' black people, we don't 'hate' Asians, we don't oppose any ethnic group for what God made them, they have a right to their own identity as much as we do, all we want to do is to preserve the ethnic and cultural identity of the British people.

And these odd thoughts lead to even odder actions:

The first thing a BNP government would do is to stop all further mass immigration into Britain. Then we would put in place a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those foreigners resident in Britain would be encouraged to return to their lands of origin.

It would be funny if they tried this in America. They would have a deuce of a time getting me to go back to Germany and Britain. I suspect that there is also some mixing in Britain, loath as these dumbasses are to admit that their precious race, ethnicity, and cultural heritage would voluntarily dilute itself. Speaking of which:

We are against mixed-raced relationships because we believe that all species and races of life on this planet are beautiful and must be preserved. When whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed. And, of course, the same is true of the non-white side. We want generations that spring from us to be the same as us, look like us, and be moved by the same things as us. We feel that to preserve the rich tapestry of mankind, we must preserve ethnic differences, not ‘mish-mash’ them together.

Sure, this feels only mildly nauseating in the abstract, but are these rascist fuckwads actually proposing that someone who is in love with someone of another race should just forget marriage because this would destroy their precious "rich tapestry of mankind"? . I should be laughing, but this is too damn evil even for that.

The BNP is the only party in Britain that offers any practical solutions to the growing problem of crime. We would simply adopt a policy of "Zero Tolerance, replacing liberal concern for the ‘rights’ of criminals with a proper emphasis on the rights of victims, and on the rights of people not to become victims. We would toughen up the courts to apply stricter sentences, put the necessary resources behind the police and release them from the paralysing straightjacket of political correctness.

I hope nobody ever wrongly accuses me of a crime if these guys get in power. Somehow I have a bad feeling that they'd consider me a criminal and trample on my quotation-mark adorned "rights".

The BNP takes no particular religious position. The BNP would preserve the long British tradition of separating Church and State. The dangers facing the British people are so great, that it would be crass criminality to allow our people and our race to be divided along religious lines.

This, amazingly, isn't idiotic. How come these guys, who are otherwise utter idiots, actually do so much better than George Bush (or even anyone running against him) on this? However, when it comes to right-wing pandering, these guys don't miss too many beats:

We favour a return to healthy moral values and policies aimed at strengthening the family and community. We will strengthen Section 28 to protect our children from homosexual propaganda. [....]

Nevertheless, the flood of homosexual propaganda to 'normalise' this tendency has been both unforeseen and corrupting. Consequently, there will be a ban on the public display and promotion of homosexuality, including in schools and in the mass media.

And, as usual, they spout this ban on public display and promotion of homosexuality in the mass media and schools while simultaneously praising free speech:

We would introduce, as one of the first things we will do, a bill of rights guaranteeing absolute freedom of speech for all citizens. Does that sound 'authoritarian'?

It's a pity that "freedom of speech" is just a pretty phrase to them. I think that what they really want is freedom of their own speech, and they don't give a damn about other people being able to express themselves freely.

[sketerpot]

Aiiiee! Can a moderator please delete one of those identical posts? Yes, I made a mistake, and I am humbled.

[Ubiquitous]

Laying the smackdown on the BNP has been done to death. People should now focus on why people continue to vote for them in their thousands.

This is the issue I was getting at in my previous post. We all know the BNP are bad [apart for that dumb bitch who was 'conned' into standing for them. ]. Do we need to continue, therefore, to constantly bombard people with information about them, particually at the local level? Perhaps an extended period of ignoring the BNP would do us good - we can see how they react to a lack of publicity and exposure, and hopefully see them implode.

Of course, none of this would be needed if the two major parties did something about the issues the BNP win their votes on, e.g. politicians lying, corruption, rascism etc. Am I the only one who is curious of the true motives the two major parties have when they plead for people to get out there and vote against the BNP, no matter who their vote is cast for? Maybe I'm being overly cyncial, but discussing the rise of the BNP does this to me, it just makes me so pissed off and angry.

[Son of the Suns]

Oh shit. Sorry about my quote tags, that fucking inexcusably bad...

hahaha


skelter, you dirty double poster, yer days er numbered.

[Plekhanov]

Whilst the moderator is fixing sketerpot’s mistake is there any chance they could change the title of the thread from

Brits post your votes tomorrow to stop the Fascist BNP

To

Brits post your votes TODAY to stop the Fascist BNP

I really wasn’t planning very far ahead when I wrote that first one

[Ubiquitous]

Don't bother waiting up sir, I'm off to bed soon and I won't get a reply in tonight. Since I leave Uni tomorrow [HA! No more exams...] it may be ... some time before I can post again, unless I can sign up to a new ISP back home.

So if this is my last post, I want to sign off on a positive note: no matter how much I disagree with the left, lets hope they kick the far-Rights arse [but, of course, have the moderate-right kick the lefts arse at the same time! ].

[The Third Man]

What complete bull shit the BNP are resurgent principally because they have piggybacked on the ongoing immigration/asylum seekers hysteria that much of the British press (the bit that supports the Tories actually) has been whipping up over the last few years and also because of the growth of Islamophobia since 9.11

I think there are other factors besides these two. Disillusionment with existing parties is definitely part of it, and like I said in the other thread, the current bout of racial tension pre-dates 9/11

Most people don’t realise that the BNP are the "All White Britain" party they think they are merely anti-immigration, which is what nearly all their campaigning has been on, you don’t see "deport all none whites" and "ban mixed race relationships" on much of their publicity.

Very true. The BNP campaign on very local issues, and spend a lot of time having a go at existing parties, typically accusing them of corruption and sleaze. This seems to me to be a very effective tactic on their part.

There's an excellent article here, which I think really gets across the feelings in Burnley and a lot of other North-West places where the BNP are strong. For the record, I think Mr Damms - the Chamber of Commerce guy who is quoted, and who I've met professionally and semi-professionally a few times - is talking a lot of sense, and I strongly agree with him.

[Anhaga]

There's a really sad movie file on the BNP site where the daughter of a BNP "politician" (read thug-in-a-suit) parrots the party line about how mixed race relationships would compromise her pure English bloodline.

And now an excerpt from Daniel Defoe's The True Born Englishman

Thus from a mixture of all kinds began,
That het'rogeneous thing, an Englishman:
In eager rapes, and furious lust begot,
Betwixt a painted Britain and a Scot.
Whose gend'ring off-spring quickly learn'd to bow,
And yoke their heifers to the Roman plough:
From whence a mongrel half-bred race there came,
With neither name, nor nation, speech nor fame.
In whose hot veins new mixtures quickly ran,
Infus'd betwixt a Saxon and a Dane.
While their rank daughters, to their parents just,
Receiv'd all nations with promiscuous lust.
This nauseous brood directly did contain
The well-extracted blood of Englishmen.

Suck on that BNP!

[Plekhanov]

I'm not talking about national issues here. I'm talking exclusively locally,

It might have been helpful if you’d mentioned that you were talking about one ward in Manchester rather than the country as a whole which I understandably assumed you to be doing.

since these are the local elections

Local AND European elections why do you think UKIP is standing?

[which your anti-war leader, Kennedy, seems to forget with his one-issue Iraq war campaign].

One issue? Have you read any of the leaflets that I’m sure the LibDems have shoved through your letter box, or actually listened to any of our spokespeople? Did our “Axe the Tax” campaign to replace the council tax with a local income tax totally pass you by (unlikely if you watch newsnight) remind me again what positive proposals were in the Tories local campaign?

As for Iraq apart from general issues of trust in Labour and so forth and pointing out that we were the only major party to consistently argue against the war, that is part of our European campaign as we are a pro-European party and think the built up to and fall out from the Iraqi war shows the folly of separating ourselves from Europe and shows the need for a more coordinated European foreign policy.

I voted Lib Dems as they were the only (sane) party to actually put out a manifesto. All the other garbles on about what they (or others) had done, not what they were going to do. Most of the points were the same anyway.

200 AD would seem to disagree with you anyway far from 1 issue he seems to think we have a full manifesto

My local newspaper, the Advertiser, is delivered free to all people in Tameside. Sadly, the last three [yes, THREE] weeks have had frontpages with either anti-BNP or Labour/Lib-Dem stories on why we shouldn't vote for the BNP, along with their much vaunted chuch support. Tthe Tories are too weak around here to even be mentioned - they regually don't field candidates at all due to their lack of support.

It sounds like you live in one of the BNP’s target wards there has been practically no coverage of them in my local media.

Most people don’t realise that the BNP are the “All White Britain” party they think they are merely anti-immigration, which is what nearly all their campaigning has been on, you don’t see “deport all none whites” and “ban mixed race relationships” on much of their publicity.

I disagree with that. I'd say almost all people are aware what they are voting for.

All people where in your ward or nationally? In either case you are wrong most people pay relatively little attention to politics and go off general impressions about the parties, hardly any (including you it would seem) read manifestos or take much time to research their votes.

This nievity [spelling] is what is costing us dear: we need to realise that the people that vote for the BNP don't think like liberals.

Believe it or not I don’t see people who lean towards the BNP as likely to ever vote LibDem I tend to see them more as Tory, UKIP and Labour territory.

Many ARE rascist.

Many people are but not to the extent of banning mixed race relationships and having programs of repatriation

Many DON'T LIKE the political establishment which they see as corrupt. Instead of whining about the BNP in the papers, the parties should do something to get their act together. For example, our local Labour MP, Mr. Oldham, is much critisied for the £50,000 private car parking spot he had built for himself in Ashton town centre. On a personal level, I hate the guy because he REFUSED FLAT OUT to allow for my history class to visit Parliament on a trip during my A Levels. His reason? Because we were Grant Maintained. I guess I'm going off track here, I just wanted to vent at how poor our local area is when it comes to politics, and perhaps give a reasoning behind the protest votes.

It would seem you have an Old Labour MP my commiserations

If we ignore them, how do they gain exposure to attract new people?

Maybe by going door to door and working at a local level in previously safe and therefore neglected labour seats like they seem to have done in your ward, maybe you can ignore them it would seem other citizens in your ward don’t have that ability

In 1998, most people of my age had never heard of the BNP. These days, they are house hold names due to the mass hysteria that surrounds them.

1998 you mean before the tabloid press got so worked up about asylum and immigration?

Even your leader Michael Howard realises this do you not remember his well publicised speech this February criticising the BNP here it is to remind you.

He did a great job with that. I was very pleased about everything he said, and thankfully he does not go on about it ad nausium like my local MP's do, giving the BNP extended exposure instead of a short, sharp smackdown like MH gave them.

So let me get this straight when LibDems or Labour talk about the BNP we’re “publicising them” when Tories do the same they are smacking them down you give partisanship a bad name

Even some of the BNP’s more recent members don’t even release the truth about the party they joined did you miss the story about Maureen Stowe a BNP councillor who left the party and now works with Unite Against Fascism after she learnt the true nature of the party. You probably disapprove of her as well though don’t you because she’s playing into the BNP’s hands by telling every body who will listen that they are lying, rascist scum.

Don't speak for me! I think she did the right thing, but to be honest I think she's a dumb bitch for joining the BNP in the first place. I'd go as far to say she is a lier in not knowing how the BNP operate.

Why would she lie? That makes no sense whatsoever

EVERYONE knows what they stand for unless they have their heads buried in the sand. But at least she admitted her mistakes. People like her should be thankful for getting a second chance from Joe public.

Everybody knows? Do you really you feel qualified to make such a sweeping statement for the population of Britain? In your ward maybe but my experiences upon the door step would suggest most people don’t know about the true nature of the BNP.

I suppose I’ve just been wasting my time with UAF as well haven’t I because we’ve been publishing the BNP by canvassing and leafleting and letting people know what they are really like, whereas what we should have done is let the BNP leaflet and canvas without anybody working against their lies.

Yeah I think you guys are wasting your time. People already know the score about the BNP, I doubt you are going to change anyones minds about them at this stage, after the concerted media barrage against them the past 4 years.

Sorry. I'm sure you believe you are doing a noble good, but your efforts would probably be best spent backing one of the two major main-stream parties, the only ones who can comfortably smackdown the BNP en mass.

Your understanding of politics is just appallingly simplistic, most people aren’t interest in local or European politics or the “two major main-stream parties” which is why the projected turnout at this election is 20%. However some people whilst not giving a fuck about Labour, the Tories or the LibDems might just turn out to vote because they don’t like fascists UAF has been working to reach these people, I hope there are enough of them.

Yes the Labour are in real trouble and the Tories have run a bad campaign + UKIP seem to be taking a lot of your core support

I don't mind UKIP. Us moderate rights should stick together.

What Mr Kilroy “Arabs are suicide bombers, limb amputators and women repressors” Silk is moderately right wing? His party UKIP which believes we should totally withdraw from Europe is moderate? What planet are you on? Even Redwood thinks these guys are lunatics, if Kilroy and UKIP are moderate just who is hard right?

Interesting to note, Tony Blair's face is not on a single Labour banner this year. Last elections, he was on 52. Labour are on the way out. Maybe not in the next general election, but the one after that...

Blair’s ratings are down, Labours aren’t they’ll just swap him for Brown

Yes they have but not in the way you think, the Tories helped the BNP by cynically exploiting the trivial asylum seeker issue,

Trivial in YOUR book. To MANY Britons, it is an important issue. The arrogance of labeling such popular issues as trivial is what makes people make protest votes in the first place! Don't you people understand that?

No, trivial by any objective standard 100,000 a year into a nation of 60 million is insignificant and not worth a fraction of the coverage it’s received over the last 5 years or so.

The BNP thrive upon ignorance and apathy we can’t just close our eyes and hope they go away because they won’t they’ll get stronger, the only way to beat them is to take them on and let people know what they are really like.

I really disagree with you. EVERYONE knows what the BNP stand for now. The continuing media and political hysteria that surround them have enabled them to achieve artifically high support. It's time the political parties take a different approach to them. Yes, they should be critised. But not all year long.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you confusing your ward with Britain again? What yearlong campaign of media and political hysteria about the BNP are you talking about, I haven’t noticed it has anybody else? I’ve spoken to at least 20 people in the last week who didn’t know the first thing about the BNP and many more who knew practically nothing.

It's like the forum troll: it thrieves on replies like "You're a fucking prick!". If you ignore troll, it gets bored and either destroys itself by going too far and getting banned, or just gets bored and goes.

What a fantastic analogy, if we ignore the BNP it will get bored and just move onto another board, problem solved but for the minor fact that the real world doesn’t work like forums.

The BNP won’t get bored, these people are fanatics all they need to see is a mixed raced couple walking down the street holding hands and they are fired up enough to embark upon another week or propagating hate and they aren’t going to move on because this is the only country we’ve got.

If we ignore these people, sit back and allow them to easily get into the councils and the European Parliament to extend your forum analogy they’ll become mods and supermods able to use their positions of power and influence to ferment racial unrest and further pursue their hateful agenda.

I believe the BNP will self-implode in the next few years if we leave them to it. If they are ignored, their support will go down. Then the party will have to change, and hopefully the party will fracture again as infighting consumes it like all far-right groups in this country post-war have done.

Time will tell.

Hopefully they’ll implode like most fascist parties do as they grow but I for one am not willing to take that chance. Have you not noticed that Haider is an extremely significant figure in Austrian politics, that Le Pen was one of the final 2 candidates in the last French Presidential election? We can’t just sit back and count upon fascists self destructing because there’s always a chance they might just pull through and then we’d really be in trouble.

Our democracy is famously robust and long lasting but it cannot be taken for granted, have you never heard the phrase “The price of freedom is constant vigilance”? I happen to believe it and feel that it is my personally responsibility to do what little I can maintain the freedoms I enjoy, it’s a shame you take them so much for granted.