Senator dies in plane crash

[TrailerParkJawa]

I just heard on the radio a Senator from Minnesota was just killed in a small plane crash. I think his wife and kid were with him.

[Mr. B]

Yes, Paul Wellstone and his family died in a plane crash.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... plane_down

[Enlightenment]

Q: What's bad about one lawyer-turned-senator dying in a plane crash?
A: There's 99 more of them left where he came from.

[MKSheppard]

Q: What's bad about one lawyer-turned-senator dying in a plane crash?
A: There's 99 more of them left where he came from.

Now that you've started off the tasteless jokes, let me jump into the fray:

Good Riddance to a True Communist. Too bad about the plane. It had several
more years of life on it....and even sadder, was the fact that Ted Kennedy
wasn't on the plane itself.....he was on another plane instead....DAMMIT!

[jegs2]

I just heard on the radio a Senator from Minnesota was just killed in a small plane crash. I think his wife and kid were with him.

He was a Democrat, and depending on who he represents, he's likely to be replaced by another Democrat, so I don't see the balance of power changing within the Senate.

[Mr. B]

Q: What's bad about one lawyer-turned-senator dying in a plane crash?
A: There's 99 more of them left where he came from.

First of all he wasn't a lawyer, he was a professor at Carlton college. And he was the senator of the state I am from so he was one of two senators.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

It's a shame he had to die. Why not Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, or Tom Daschle? With Daschle out of the way, Bush can cut taxes, drill for oil, and actually appoint judges!

Anyway, was he popualar? Because his opponent might lose to a guy, like John Ashcroft did in 2000.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

I just heard on the radio a Senator from Minnesota was just killed in a small plane crash. I think his wife and kid were with him.

He was a Democrat, and depending on who he represents, he's likely to be replaced by another Democrat, so I don't see the balance of power changing within the Senate.

Jesse Ventura can replace him with another Senator until the senator who wins the election in Minnesota is sworn in. That will be interesting.

The DFL also can replace a dead candidate on the ballot in Minnesota with another candidate up to either 10 or 4 days before the election (I've heard both). Current indications are that they'll ask Fritz Mondale to run. (No, I'm not kidding.)

[Mr Bean]

All of what I've heard so far you had to say one thing


He stuck to his issues

Even if he was a brain dead-mornic idiot

Or not, I don't know enough about him to comment either way

He at least stuck to what he belived(Better than what could be said for what? 90% of the Polling Party. I mean Democratic Party?)

[HemlockGrey]

Bush can cut taxes for the extremely wealthy, drill for meager amounts of oil in nationally protected Artic reserves, thereby fouling the land forever, and actually appoint judges who will kiss his and Ashcroft's ass and screw over the public, the Bill of Rights, and Thomas Jefferson in one smooth stroke!

Fixed it.

[Ted]

Bush can cut taxes for the extremely wealthy, drill for meager amounts of oil in nationally protected Artic reserves, thereby fouling the land forever, and actually appoint judges who will kiss his and Ashcroft's ass and screw over the public, the Bill of Rights, and Thomas Jefferson in one smooth stroke!

Fixed it.

So true that.

[Mr Bean]

You people seem to hate Bush Alot don't you?


Here on SD.NET Ignoring Facts

Bush can cut taxes for the extremely wealthy

Hmm whos weathy? tax payers?



http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/00in01rt.xls
Spread-Sheet there of who payed what, Year 2001 I belive

And who pays taxs

BTW if you make more than 30k a Year you fit into that 50%

All in the spread-sheet, Bullshit like "Top 1% only Tax Cuts" that people like to toss around can be cleared up

If you make more than 28k I belive is the exact number a year you are in the Top 50%
50k+ and you are the Top 25%
and so on and so forth Top 10%, Top5% and off the top of my head top 1%(120k+)


I'm on an non Windows Office equiped Computer ATM but heres somthing for you so I leave off exact satistics till later, The Top 1% pay over 20% of Everyone's Taxs

[Stormbringer]

It's a shame that he and his family died. It's too bad.

I may not agree with his ideaology but that's a damn shame.

[HemlockGrey]

The Top 1% pay over 20% of Everyone's Taxs

No shit, Bean, it's called the income tax. It's not some altruistic generosity on the part of the rich. That's false evidence, as it merely indicates the way things are now, not the way Bush wants things to be.

[Steve]

Bush can cut taxes for the extremely wealthy, drill for meager amounts of oil in nationally protected Artic reserves, thereby fouling the land forever, and actually appoint judges who will kiss his and Ashcroft's ass and screw over the public, the Bill of Rights, and Thomas Jefferson in one smooth stroke!

Fixed it.

How droll.

[HemlockGrey]

How droll.

It is, isn't it?

[Ultra]

You people seem to hate Bush Alot don't you?


Here on SD.NET Ignoring Facts

Bush can cut taxes for the extremely wealthy

Hmm whos weathy? tax payers?



http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/00in01rt.xls
Spread-Sheet there of who payed what, Year 2001 I belive

And who pays taxs

BTW if you make more than 30k a Year you fit into that 50%

All in the spread-sheet, Bullshit like "Top 1% only Tax Cuts" that people like to toss around can be cleared up

If you make more than 28k I belive is the exact number a year you are in the Top 50%
50k+ and you are the Top 25%
and so on and so forth Top 10%, Top5% and off the top of my head top 1%(120k+)


I'm on an non Windows Office equiped Computer ATM but heres somthing for you so I leave off exact satistics till later, The Top 1% pay over 20% of Everyone's Taxs

As expected, misleading trash.

There has been growing attention recently to a finding that high-income households are paying a larger share of federal income taxes than in the past. The most recent Internal Revenue Service data available indicate that the top one percent of taxpayers paid about 25 percent of federal income taxes in 1989 but paid 36 percent of income taxes in 1999. The share of federal income taxes that the top five percent pays increased as well, but virtually all of that increase was due to the substantial rise in the share of income taxes that the top one percent pays.

Some have assumed these data mean that high-income taxpayers are now shouldering the lion's share of the overall federal tax load, that taxes have been raised sharply in recent years on high-income taxpayers, and that these taxpayers' after-tax incomes have been squeezed as a consequence. In fact, none of these conclusions are correct.

1. High-income households pay a much lower share of federal taxes overall than they pay of the income tax. Examining only the percentage of income taxes that the top one percent (or the top five percent) of the population pays overstates the degree to which these individuals are shouldering the overall federal tax load. Last year, the Congressional Budget Office published an exhaustive analysis of federal tax and income trends, with data through 1997.(1) CBO found that the top one percent of households paid 23 percent of all federal taxes that year, including payroll, excise and other federal taxes. This is substantially lower than the percentage of federal income taxes that this group pays; the differences reflects, in large part, the impact of the payroll tax,(2) which falls more heavily on lower- and middle-income households than income taxes do. The top one percent of the population pays only 4.2 percent of the payroll taxes.

2. The percentage of income that the highest-income households pay in federal taxes is not at a recent peak and is lower than in a number of previous years. At the time that CBO issued its report on tax rates and tax burdens, the data that CBO uses on household incomes were not yet available for years after 1997. CBO did have information, however, on federal tax law in 2000. So CBO applied 2000 tax law to 1997 income levels and estimated that, on average, the top one percent of households paid 32.7 percent of their income in federal taxes overall, including income, payroll, excise, and other taxes. This percentage is lower than the percentage of income that CBO found the top one percent of households paid throughout most of the rest of the 1990s as well as in the late 1970s. For example, the top one percent of households paid 37.3 percent of income in federal taxes in 1979, the first year for which these CBO data are available, and 36.4 percent of income in federal taxes in 1995. The percentage of income that very high-income households pay in federal taxes has not jumped sharply in the past few years. (The top one percent did pay a lower percentage of income in federal income taxes in the 1980s, following enactment of large tax cuts in 1981. The years after 1981 were marked by large federal deficits and sharp increases in the national debt.)

3. The principal reason that high-income households are paying a larger share of federal taxes than in the past is not that the percentage of income they are paying in taxes has increased but that they receive a much larger share of the total income in the nation. The top one percent of the population now receives a larger share of the national income than in any year since the mid-1930s. A recent study by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) found that in 1998, the latest year for which these data were available at the time of the study, the top one percent of the population received a larger percentage of the before-tax income in the nation than at any time since 1936.(3)

Because these households receive a larger percentage of the income, they pay a larger percentage of the taxes. Furthermore, as a result of a progressive nature of the federal tax system, high-income taxpayers pay a larger share of their income in federal taxes than middle- and lower-income people do. Since high-income individuals pay taxes at somewhat higher rates, overall federal tax receipts tend to rise as a share of GDP when income becomes more concentrated at the top of the income scale.

This set of developments — an increase in the concentration of income at the top of the income scale, leading to an increase in the percentage of the income tax that high-income households pay and an increase in federal tax receipts as a percentage of GDP — is precisely what has occurred in recent years.

4. The top one percent of the population has experienced extraordinary after-tax income gains that vastly exceed the gains in after-tax income the rest of the population has secured. The increase in the percentage of federal taxes that these households pay has not squeezed these households. The CBO data show that the after-tax incomes of the top one percent of the population rose tremendously in the 1980s and 1990s. From 1979 to 1997, the average after-tax income of the richest one percent of households climbed a remarkable 157 percent, or $414,000, after adjusting for inflation. By comparison, among the middle fifth of households, average after-tax income rose a far more modest 10 percent, or $3,400.(4)

The CBO data also show that the share of the after-tax national income the top one percent of households received in the late 1990s was at the highest level on record. (These CBO data go back to 1979.) When these CBO data are combined with data from the NBER study, it appears that the top one percent of the population is now receiving a larger share of the national after-tax income than at any time since at least 1941.

How droll.

And yet, so true.

[Manji]

Pity about his family dying.

But good riddance to the traitor himself.

[Ultra]

Explain how he's a traitor.

Let's see what kind of bullshit you can bring to the table.

[Mr Bean]

Funny does not disagree with me now does it?


I said over twenty Percent of everybodys taxs(I ment all taxs)And you post a link to info that says 23%

Woopdoo, Does not disagree with my only claim made in that post so how exactly is it Misleading Ultra?


However I did mistake some numbers

Now I'll post em in
2000
All number in the at or above form
Top 1%=313,459
Top 5%=128,336
Top 10%=92,144
Top 25%=55,255
Top 50%=27,682

Furthermore as somone who acutal took some bloody Econmics course(Though I in no way claim or infer that I am the grand master of knowledge when it comes to Econmics)

Anyway, Tax cuts even if for the top 1% of the top 1% of the Top one 1%

Or in other words Bill Gates
Lets say Bill gets a 90% Tax cut(He probably wishs)

Ok now then! What is Bill going to do with that tax money?
Sit on it?
Not likley! More often than not that money is going right into the Econmey like that idiotic but helpful $100 or so Bush gave to all Americans but it did give a temporary boost to the econmeny and prolong the reccesion abit

And the jump happend to catch me at a good moment and I made $3k (Yes I cashed out then)

Anyway if you want to debate me on econmics and tax policy and what not by all means start a thread on the subject

And Ted am I going to have keep getting after you to back yourself up? You seem now-adays but do nothing but "Me too"ing everything
Now sure lots of people do that but generaly they do somthing BESIDES that, You however seem at least now to be a one trick Pony, whats up Ted?

[Ultra]

Ok now then! What is Bill going to do with that tax money?
Sit on it?
Not likley! More often than not that money is going right into the Econmey like that idiotic but helpful $100 or so Bush gave to all Americans but it did give a temporary boost to the econmeny and prolong the reccesion abit

Hmm.. trickle down economics. Too bad it never works the way conservatives say it does.

When the rich get that giant tax break, they aren't (in the case of corporate entities or men) using it for creating jobs or spurring the economy. They keep it for themselves.

In effect, that money never trickles down to the average Joe.

[Mr Bean]

Ahh realy? They simply keep the money in secret Swiss Bank accounts?

No I'm talking about the Tax-Cuts to the Lawyer-Doctor Level Incomes, the 70k+ Fokes where the last Tax Cut of Bushs was

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Ok now then! What is Bill going to do with that tax money?
Sit on it?
Not likley! More often than not that money is going right into the Econmey like that idiotic but helpful $100 or so Bush gave to all Americans but it did give a temporary boost to the econmeny and prolong the reccesion abit

Hmm.. trickle down economics. Too bad it never works the way conservatives say it does.

When the rich get that giant tax break, they aren't (in the case of corporate entities or men) using it for creating jobs or spurring the economy. They keep it for themselves.

In effect, that money never trickles down to the average Joe.

Uhm, what do you think the rich do, put all their money under their mattresses?

They buy stuff, they invest in things, and so on, and all of that results in economic growth and new jobs.

The best way to improve the lot of the working man is lower taxes, because that means more economic growth.

Ideally we'd have no income tax at all and just a 6% federal sales tax instead.

[Mr Bean]

Ideally we'd have no income tax at all and just a 6% federal sales tax instead

Sure! And everyone would Fear our SIX PERSON ARMY!

No... No Navy...
No Marines...
An Airforce? Are you kidding? We can only aford five rifles!
Maybe next year we can have some Ammo

Forget Social Secruity, Forget WellFare

Hmm I take that back, Keep Social Secrutiy

The Retirment Age is simply rasied to 802

[Ultra]

Ahh realy? They simply keep the money in secret Swiss Bank accounts?

Actually, many corporations do hide money in foreign bank accounts. When Bush came into power, he allowed it to be legalized.

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Ultra wrote:
Bean wrote:
Ok now then! What is Bill going to do with that tax money?
Sit on it?
Not likley! More often than not that money is going right into the Econmey like that idiotic but helpful $100 or so Bush gave to all Americans but it did give a temporary boost to the econmeny and prolong the reccesion abit


Hmm.. trickle down economics. Too bad it never works the way conservatives say it does.

When the rich get that giant tax break, they aren't (in the case of corporate entities or men) using it for creating jobs or spurring the economy. They keep it for themselves.

In effect, that money never trickles down to the average Joe.


Uhm, what do you think the rich do, put all their money under their mattresses?

I don't know about hiding it under their matresses, but they sure aren't helping the economy with it.

The best way to improve the lot of the working man is lower taxes, because that means more economic growth.

Reagan and Bush's tax plan prove otherwise.