STGOD 4 OOB Thread

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2004-06-13 01:08am

They've just come out of a war and aren't very interested in being aggressive. I'm aiming for a Switzerland in space type nation. Banking and alliances.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-13 01:09am

Well and good, but how should we treat a BB that's at best, the size of a light cruiser? If you are going for a smaller military, have a smaller number of real ships.[/quote]

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-06-13 01:23am

InnocentBystander wrote:Tycho, Captain Tycho? He is still playing???

Yes. I've been chilling out for a bit after my wedding/honeymoon, but I'll join back in within a few days at least.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-13 01:58am

Thirdfain wrote:-shrug- don't expect any building speed or dodging advantages, and your ships will die faster once their shields die. There's only so much firepower and equipment you can fit in a BB one twentieth the size of it's contemporaries.

Actually, if he wishes to his ships could be relatively quick to build. And of course correspondingly quick to die in combat. It's always been permissable to have cheap, quick ships. It's just that'll show when it comes to quality.

Tasoth wrote:They've just come out of a war and aren't very interested in being aggressive. I'm aiming for a Switzerland in space type nation. Banking and alliances.

You do know that Switzerland before the centuries of neutrality made itself rather famous for the mercenaries it exported? They were some of the best mercenary pikes of the time and they had a rep to match. It's no accident that the Pope's got the Swiss Guard working for him.

And while you nation's set up is your business, you might want to listen to the advice. The fact is your ships are fairly undersize. While there isn't too much size discrimination in ships there is a reasonable range; having capships that are the size of most people's cruiser-classes is well outside the range.

And while you can do as you wish, I would suggest adding a good deal more point defense. The thing is, they don't need to be particularly heavy guns, mind you so it's okay to carry a lot of them. Think of them as being analgous to the 20mm AA guns of WW2 and you wouldn't be far off.

PS: As one of the game mods, I'm curious to exactly what you mean by tac nukes and big berthas. Missles of some sort I assume?

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-06-13 02:02am

EXCUSE ME. I believe this STGOD already has a merc power, thank you very much. I got ESTABLISHED CLIENTS. I can undercut any prices you might set. So but out, buddy.

Other than that, yeah, good idea for a race.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-13 02:05am

Bugsby wrote:EXCUSE ME. I believe this STGOD already has a merc power, thank you very much. I got ESTABLISHED CLIENTS. I can undercut any prices you might set. So but out, buddy.

Other than that, yeah, good idea for a race.

I was just pointing out a bit of history to the man. After all, the Swiss didn't get to be neutral all the time through sunshine and fluffy kittens.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-06-13 02:09am

Stormbringer wrote:
Bugsby wrote:EXCUSE ME. I believe this STGOD already has a merc power, thank you very much. I got ESTABLISHED CLIENTS. I can undercut any prices you might set. So but out, buddy.

Other than that, yeah, good idea for a race.
I was just pointing out a bit of history to the man. After all, the Swiss didn't get to be neutral all the time through sunshine and fluffy kittens.

You'd be surprised just how far fluffy kittens can go.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-06-13 02:09am

InnocentBystander wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Bugsby wrote:EXCUSE ME. I believe this STGOD already has a merc power, thank you very much. I got ESTABLISHED CLIENTS. I can undercut any prices you might set. So but out, buddy.

Other than that, yeah, good idea for a race.
I was just pointing out a bit of history to the man. After all, the Swiss didn't get to be neutral all the time through sunshine and fluffy kittens.
You'd be surprised just how far fluffy kittens can go.

Especially ninja kittens.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-06-13 02:22am

SirNitram wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: I was just pointing out a bit of history to the man. After all, the Swiss didn't get to be neutral all the time through sunshine and fluffy kittens.
You'd be surprised just how far fluffy kittens can go.
Especially ninja kittens.

SPACE ninja kittens.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-13 02:25am

Jewish Space Ninja Kittens. Armed with Throwing Stars. Coated in Bees.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-06-13 02:26am

1st Expeditionary Battle Squadron (1st ExBatRon)
Ships of the Line:
HMS Daedalus-Minotaur class Dreadnought LAC Carrier (DNV)
HMS Unstoppable-Gryphon class Superdreadnought (SD)
HMS Reliant-Redoubtable class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Onslaught-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Orion-Homer class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Implacable-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Cassandra-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Intolerance-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Hamburg-Edward Saganami class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Charelston-Edward Saganami class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Warlord-Star Knight class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Bombadier-Star Knight class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Montgomery-PrinceConsort class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Aurora-Broadsword class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Breakthrough-Broadsword class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Eviscerator-Star Knight class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
Escorts (ID'd via serial numbers)
50 Arrowhead class Destroyers (DD)
18 Apollo class Light Cruisers (CL)
8 Leutzen class Large Armed Assault Transports (APLA)
12 Argonaut class Armed Supply Freighters (AMS-AKL)
4 Candice class Long Range Repair Ships (ARLR)

2nd Expeditionary Battle Squadron (2nd ExBatRon)
Ships of the Line:
HMS Casablanca-Minotaur class Dreadnought LAC Carrier (DNV)
HMS Longsword-Gryphon class Superdreadnought (SD)
HMS Majestic-Majestic class Dreadnought (DN)
HMS Webster-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Cannoneer-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Trebuchet-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Dark Horse-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Corageous-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Fearless-Reliant class Battlecruiser (BC)
HMS Guardian-Star Knight class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Sharlin-Star Knight class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Atlantic-Edward Saganami class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Pacific-Edward Saganami class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Scimitar-Broadsword class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Blockade-Broadsword class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Dresden-Broadsword class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
HMS Belfast-PrinceConsort class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
Escorts (ID'd via serial numbers)
50 Arrowhead class Destroyers (DD)
8 Leutzen class Large Armed Assault Transports (APLA)
12 Argonaut class Armed Supply Freighters (AMS-AKL)
4 Candice class Long Range Repair Ships (ARLR)
18 Apollo class Light Cruisers (CL)

3rd Expeditionary Battle Squadron (3rd ExBatRon)
Ships of the Line:(ID'd by serial number)
1 DNV
1 SD
1 DN
6 BCs
8 CAs
Escorts:(ID'd by serial number)
50 DDs
8 APLAs
12 AMS-AKLs
4 ARLRs
18 CLs

FLEET TOTALS (Combat Vessels Only)
48 Ships of the Line (2 SDs, 2DNVs, 2 DNs, 18BCs, 24 CAs)
204 Escorts (CLs, DDs)

Weaponry:
Missiles: RMN capital missiles are mounted with two types of warheads: Bomb-pumped X-Ray laser warheads and the standard fusion warhead. Laser warheads, when detonated, spray a dozen or more ultra-high powered X-ray laser beams across a 20,000-50,000 km kilometer sphere, making them easily the more deadly of the two, and excellent stand-off weapons. Fusion warheads, however, require a (relatively) close hit to deal damage. Capital missiles are driven by FTL impeller-drives at speeds of anywhere from of 1-3c, and to a range of anywhere from 2.5 to 5.5 million kilometers. The impeller-drives also generate a pair of stress-bands that make the missile virutally immune to fire from the top and bottom, and generate marginal sidewalls and front-walls. Capital missile seeking systems are highly evolved, able to independently seek out targets of opportunity, locate weak-spots in a point-defense grid, etc, within moments of launch. Capital missiles carry varying ECM suites, depending on their model, and there are some missiles totally devoted to ECM, which are usually launched alongside a missile broadside to blind point-defense.

Lasers: With a range significantly shorter than a missile, (around 600,000 km) lasers are used only in medium-close range combat and in PD.

Grasers: Twice the range and twice the power of lasers, grasers are the heaviest energy weapons in the fleet besides energy torpedoes. Standard range is roughly 1.2-1.6 million km.
Energy torpedoes: Uncommon on small ships, energy torpedoes are
nothing more than hyper-charged bursts of plasma used in laser range combat. They deal incredibly heavy damage, and cannot be intercepted, but have a so-so range of only 800,000 kilometers.

Grav lances: Rare on most ships, grav lances fire a blast of focused gravity at a target, causing shields to simply distort and fail, opening a gaping whole in which to pour fire through. Grav lances have a massive power-output, but tend to disperse very quickly, making actual effective range a mere 300,000 km. Grav lances are reserved for planetary shields and hardened orbital installations, or heavily shielded and slow moving targets.

Defenses:
Impeller bands: Impellers generate a pair of 'bands' above and below a ship, giving protection roughly equal to a force-field.
Side-walls: Much weaker than an impeller-band, side-walls are force-fields used to defend, obviously, the sides of the ship.

Front-walls: Due to the exotic nature of the impeller-drive, side-walls couldn't be erected over the front of a ship without severly hamping speed, but a recent development in shielding technology allowed 'front-walls' to be placed on every ship, offering frontal protection.

Armour: Despite massive and recent leaps in force-field technology, armour is still the primary defense of most RMN ships.

Ship Specifications:

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type BC Battlecruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Redoubtable

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 797,000
Length Overall (Meters) 1,550
Maximum Beam (Meters) 206.25
Maximum Height (Meters) 185

Complement 1,900 (151 Officers + 1,749 Warrant/Enlisted) Plus Flag/Flag Staff
Core Crew 1,400 (130 + 1,270)
Marine Complement 500 (21 + 479)
Flag/Flag Staff 100 (19 +81) When Serving as Squadron Flag

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 19 x52 22/22 4/4
Laser 100cm x12 6/6 0/0
Laser 150cm x4 0/0 2/2
Graser 145cm x16 8/8 0/0
Graser 175cm x2 0/0 1/1
Energy Torpedo 200cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x32 12/12 4/4
PD Laser Cluster x70 27/27 8/8
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk5 Countermissile Cannisters; RMN-std Countermissiles

Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCMC x1 (Mk30C Prowler); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type BC Battlecruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Homer

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 837,000
Length Overall (Meters) 1,590
Maximum Beam (Meters) 206.25
Maximum Height (Meters) 185
Complement 2,000 (166 Officers + 1,834 Warrant/Enlisted) Plus Flag/Flag Staff
Core Crew 1,500 (145 + 1,355)
Marine Complement 500 (21 + 479)
Flag/Flag Staff 100 (19 + 81) When Serving as Squadron/Task Group Flag

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 19 x56 24/24 4/4
Laser 100cm x14 7/7 0/0
Laser 150cm x4 0/0 2/2
Graser 150cm x18 9/9 0/0
Graser 175cm x2 0/0 1/1
Energy Torpedo 200cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x36 12/12 6/6
PD Laser Cluster x78 29/29 10/10
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk5 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCMC x1 (Mk30C Prowler); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type BC Battlecruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Reliant

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 879,000
Length Overall (Meters) 1,605
Maximum Beam (Meters) 206.25
Maximum Height (Meters) 185
Complement 2,105 (186 Officers + 1,919 Warrant/Enlisted) Plus Flag/Flag Staff
Core Crew 1,605 (165 + 1,440)
Marine Complement 500 (21 + 479)
Flag/Flag Staff 100 (19 + 81) When Serving as Squadron/Task Force Flag

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 19 x60 26/26 4/4
Laser 100cm x16 8/8 0/0
Laser 150cm x4 0/0 2/2
Graser 155cm x20 10/10 0/0
Graser 175cm x2 0/0 1/1
Energy Torpedo 200cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x36 12/12 6/6
PD Laser Cluster x86 31/31 12/12
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk5 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile
Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCMC x1 (Mk30C Prowler); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type CA Heavy Cruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Crusader/Prince Consort

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 270,000 (Crusader) / 240,000 (Prince Consort)
Length Overall (Meters) 1,150
Maximum Beam (Meters) 200
Maximum Height (Meters) 175

Complement 1,275 (95 Officers + 1,190 Warrant/Enlisted) Plus Flag/Flag Staff in Crusader
Core Crew 800 (75 + 725)
Marine Complement 475 (20 + 455)
Flag/Flag Staff 50 (11 + 39) in Crusader only

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 7 x36 16/16 2/2
Laser 75cm x10 5/5 0/0
Laser 100cm x2 0/0 1/1
Graser 125cm x6 3/3 0/0
Energy Torpedo 150cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x24 8/8 4/4
PD Laser Cluster x42 17/17 4/4
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk4 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x2 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type CA Heavy Cruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Broadsword

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 285,000
Length Overall (Meters) 1,175
Maximum Beam (Meters) 200
Maximum Height (Meters) 175
Complement 1,325 (110 Officers + 1,215 Warrant/Enlisted) Plus Marine Command Staff
Core Crew 800 (75+725)
Flag/Flag Staff 50 (15 + 35)
Marine Complement 475 (20 + 455)
Marine Headquarters Unit 50 (15 + 35)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 7 x38 16/16 2/2
Laser 75cm x10 5/5 0/0
Laser 100cm x2 0/0 1/1
Graser 125cm x6 3/3 0/0
Energy Torpedo 150cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x24 8/8 4/4
PD Laser Cluster x42 17/17 4/4
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk4 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissiles

Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk26 Skyhawk); LCS x2 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft; LCMC x2 (Mk27 Skywarrior) when carrying Flag/Marine Command Staff

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type CA Heavy Cruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Star Knight

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 300,000
Length Overall (Meters) 1,200
Maximum Beam (Meters) 200
Maximum Height (Meters) 175
Complement 1,475 (110 Officers + 1,365 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 1,000 (90 + 910)
Marine Complement 475 (20 + 455)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 7 x38 17/17 2/2
Laser 75cm x12 6/6 0/0
Laser 100cm x2 0/0 0/0
Graser 125cm x6 3/3 0/0
Energy Torpedo 150cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x24 8/8 4/4
PD Laser Cluster x50 19/19 6/6
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk4 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x2 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type CA Heavy Cruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Edward Saganami

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 330,000
Length Overall (Meters) 1,250
Maximum Beam (Meters) 200
Maximum Height (Meters) 175
Complement 1,525 (125 + 1,400)
Core Crew 1,000 (90 + 910)
Marine Complement 475 (20 + 455)
Flag/Flag Staff 50 (15 + 35)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 7 x44 19/19 3/3
Laser 90cm x12 6/6 0/0
Laser 125cm x2 0/0 1/1
Graser 125cm x4 2/2 0/0
Graser 150cm x2 0/0 1/1
Energy Torpedo 150cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x26 8/8 5/5
PD Laser Cluster x52 21/21 5/5
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk38 CA/BC-grade series; RMN Mk4 CountermissileCannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x2 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type CL Light Cruiser
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Apollo

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 135,000
Length Overall (Meters) 900
Maximum Beam (Meters) 175
Maximum Height (Meters) 100
Complement 525 (41 Officer + 484 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 375 (35 + 340)
Marine Complement 150 (6 + 144)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 7 x16 6/6 2/2
Laser 40cm x6 3/3 0/0
Laser 75cm x2 0/0 1/1
Graser 60cm x4 2/2 0/0
Graser 75cm x2 0/0 1/1
Energy Torpedo 100cm x4 2/2 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x14 5/5 2/2
PD Laser Cluster x32 12/12 4/4
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk50 DD/CL-grade series, magazine capacity 50/tube (800 total); RMN Mk4 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCMA x2 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type DD Destroyer
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Arrowhead

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 88,000
Length Overall (Meters) 700
Maximum Beam (Meters) 150
Maximum Height (Meters) 100
Complement 325 (26 Officers + 299 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 290 (25 + 265)
Marine Complement 35 (1 + 34)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 7 x14 5/5 2/2
Laser 25cm x6 3/3 0/0
Laser 50cm x2 0/0 1/1
PD Laser Cluster x22 8/8 2/2
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk50 DD/CL-grade series; RMN Mk3 Countermissile Cannister

Parasite Complement LCMA x2 (Mk28 Mentor); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type DNV Dreadnought LAC Carrier
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Minotaur

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 5,900,000
Length Overall (Meters) 2,200
Maximum Beam (Meters) 367
Maximum Height (Meters) 340
Complement 2,100 (286 Officers + 1,414 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 600 (50 + 550)
Marine Complement 150 (6 + 144)
LAC Complement Crew 1,000 (200 + 800)
LAC Support/Staff 300 (30 + 270)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 73VLR x18 9/9 0/0
Graser 500cm x6 0/0 3/3
PCL Launch Bay x100 50/50 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x80 30/30 10/10
PD Laser Cluster x80 30/30 10/10
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk42VLR; RMN Mk27 DN/SD-grade series; RMN Mk7 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement PCL-3 x100 (Type 3 Shrike series); LCMA x2 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type SD Superdreadnought
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Gryphon

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 8,500,000
Length Overall (Meters) 4,500
Maximum Beam (Meters) 650
Maximum Height (Meters) 600

Complement 6,500 (472 Officers + 6,028 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 4,427 (413 + 4,014)
Marine Complement 973 (40 + 933)
Flag/Flag Staff 100 (19 + 81)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 73 x100 45/45 10/10
Laser 400cm x40 20/20 0/0
Laser 500cm x8 0/0 4/4
Graser 475cm x40 20/20 0/0
Graser 575cm x10 0/0 5/5
Energy Torpedo 500cm x10 5/5 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x120 40/40 20/20
PD Laser Cluster x160 60/60 20/20
Grav Lance Yes No
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk27 DN/SD-grade series; RMN Mk6 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCLA x4 (Mk130A Herakles); LCMA x5 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x1 (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Ship/Smallcraft Code/Type DN Dreadnought
Service/Source Royal Manticoran Navy
Class Name Majestic

Mass/Displacement (Tons) 6,500,00
Length Overall (Meters) 2,500
Maximum Beam (Meters) 375
Maximum Height (Meters) 350
Complement 4,500 (362 Officers + 4,138 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 3,427 (303 + 3,124)
Marine Complement 973 (40 + 933)
Flag/Flag Staff 100 (19 + 81)

Armament Mounted Weapon Mount Placement
Type/Number Broadside Mounts P/S Chase Mounts F/A
Launcher Mod 43 x78 31/31 8/8
Laser 400cm x30 15/15 0/0
Laser 500cm x8 0/0 4/4
Graser 475cm x40 20/20 0/0
Graser 575cm x8 0/0 4/4
Energy Torpedo 350cm x10 5/5 0/0
Launcher Mod 3CM x100 40/40 10/10
PD Laser Cluster x80 30/30 10/10
Grav Lance Yes No
Missile(s) Used RMN Mk27 DN/SD-grade series; RMN Mk6 Countermissile Cannister; RMN-std Countermissile

Parasite Complement LCLA x4 (Mk130A Herakles [probable]); LCMA x6 (Mk30A Intruder); LCS x2 [min] (C3 Dakota); Other Smallcraft

Holdings:
Manticore (Industrial/Agricultural, planetary shield)
Sphinx (Industrial/Agricultural, planetary shield)
Gryphon (Industrial, planetary shield)
18 Model JF-275 Large Orbital Fortresses (OFL) in-system
Planetary Forces: 50 million Royal soldiers spread across Sphinx, Gryphon, and Manticore, along with some 10 million armored vehicles, thousands of atmospheric fighters, etc. Ground forces use pulsers, plasma weapons, and various other weaponry.

History: An old, space-faring, and remote nation too wrapped up in it's own affairs to care much about the rest of the galaxy, Manticore has just emerged from a bloody civil war with the UBT, who had come as conqueror's a mere fifty years before, and ruthlessly exterminated the royal family and emplaced its own puppet goverment. However, they missed a distant cousin in their murders, and after 35 years of oppression, this royal cousin found a large group of hard-core royal supporters and lead an uprising which drove the UBT out of Manticore for good. During this uprising, the old Royal Manticoran Navy was re-founded, and Manticore was revitalized. Now an economically and militarily stable power, Manticore turns its eyes outwards for the first time in centuries..and towards it's former oppressors.
Goverment: Manticore is run soley by the Royal Family, which is currently limited to King Alvarez and his wife, Queen Constance. While the Manticoran royal family of old was large enough to overseer most functions of the goverment, this is not true in post-UBT Manticore. King Alvarez appointed a parlimentary goverment to run domestic and economic affairs, while the King has almost total control of the military. While this setup occasionally leads to bickering between the King and the House of Commons, it is so far proving to be quite stable.

Awaiting approval
And yes, I know the ship aramament list columns aren't exactly lined up.
Edited for clarity, abbreviated shiplist forthcoming.
And here it is:

ExBatRon's are formed as such:
6 Battlecruisers
8 Heavy Cruisers
1 Dreadnaught/Carrier
1 Super-dreadnaught
1 Dreadnaught (Not present in ExBatRon 1)
18 Light Cruisers
50 Destroyers
8 Assault Transports (capital size)
4 Repair Ships
12 Armed Supply Freighters

Total Numbers:
18 Battlecruisers
24 Heavy-Cruisers
3 Dreadnaught-Carriers
2 Dreadnaughts
3 Super-Dreadnaughts
24 Assault Transports (capital size)
12 Repair ships
36 Armed Supply Freighters
150 Destroyers
54 Light Cruisers
300 LACs (gunboat-sized craft, carried on the Dreadnaught-carriers, 100 apiece)
1,200 planetary based LACs.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-13 02:28am

Giggity Giggity! Honorverse Nation Numeros Duos enters the game!

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-06-13 02:31am

Thirdfain wrote:Giggity Giggity! Honorverse Nation Numeros Duos enters the game!

There's a second HH nation here?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-13 02:34am

Someone needs to read the OOB thread and STGOD1

Asgard Star Empire, foo! It's and Andermani- copy nationstate.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-06-13 04:03am

Thirdfain wrote:Someone needs to read the OOB thread and STGOD1

Asgard Star Empire, foo! It's and Andermani- copy nationstate.

Well, technology-wise, I have some limited stuff from the Honorverse, as well

Mainly lasers and grasers as weaponry (albeit more like secondary weaponry, as main energy weaponry are Starfire Force Beams/Primaries), and I do have some sidewall-ish gravity shielding, too

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-13 08:38am

Dude, your "energy torpedoes" could be intercepted. They are plasma weapons and all that would be needed to intercept them is something that disrupts plasma containment.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-06-13 08:51am

My missles are Honorverse stolen has well.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-13 09:33am

s t your ships defenses... You are incincivle from the dorsal and ventral sides, and IIRC only laser weapons and similar can really hit your port and starboard sides? Not only that, but you can nullify the shields of our ships? Um... no

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-06-13 10:30am

I don't see how grav lances should work on each and every ship, given that in their original version the only thing they manage to create a harmonic in the sidewall generator.
As not all powers use gravitic shields, and do have "normal" energy shields as well, it seems like they wouldn't be such a perfect weapon.

Added to this the normal limited range, power hunger, and size limitations of it...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-13 10:51am

Either way, his beam weapons will be woefully ineffective(relativly speaking) gainst my hulls... Even if he can take shields down. A crystaline hull, with our shape acts like a massive prism, refracting and scattering incomming light.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-06-13 11:08am

I disagree Alyrium, that's like saying "My mirror will block your gigawatt laser cannon!".

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-13 11:22am

Tycho, can you revise it a bit for simple readability? I don't mind the fleet break downs but it would be nice if you had some where you had:

25 A-class
32 B-class

etc. etc. etc.

Not to mention it would be nice if you put line breaks between paragraphs.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-13 11:24am

InnocentBystander wrote:I disagree Alyrium, that's like saying "My mirror will block your gigawatt laser cannon!".

It reduces effectivness, not nullifies it. In much the same way that the same mirror will reflect the multi-megawatt laser. It reflects up to a certain point and then can no longer take the heat because *tada* energy is still transfered to the mirror.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-13 11:34am

Captain tycho wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Giggity Giggity! Honorverse Nation Numeros Duos enters the game!
There's a second HH nation here?

Sort of. The Asgard Stellar Empire, my own power had the Honorverse as a loose starting point. Naturally over the course of two STGODs it's evovling away from a straight Honorverse power but it's still heavily based on such.

Thirdfain wrote:Someone needs to read the OOB thread and STGOD1

Asgard Star Empire, foo! It's and Andermani- copy nationstate.

Not a direct copy by any means. For one thing War of Honor wasn't even out so a lot of the gaps were just lifted from Manticore, the political outlook however remains distinctly Andermani.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-06-13 12:33pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:s t your ships defenses... You are incincivle from the dorsal and ventral sides, and IIRC only laser weapons and similar can really hit your port and starboard sides? Not only that, but you can nullify the shields of our ships? Um... no

Only dreadnaughts and super-dreadnaughts mount grav lances, IIRC, and it has a relatively pathetic range. And it can be changed so that impeller-bands ARE penetrable.