At least in the desert they might be able to get the uniform dusty enough that it sort of blends in.
So far this new uniform reminds me of the "haze grey" of the Navy. Ships tend to blend into the horizon. We even mostly paint our planes grey now so they aren't as easy to spot. It even gets to be a sort of splotchy pattern as the ground crew retouches the paint on the plane.
Woodland camo works great even when people are very close to you. This new uniform won't be as effective at close ranges. I suppose it may work well enough in the urban environment or when people only get a quick look and want to snap a shot off, but otherwise I think it's a mistake except for being able to accept more armor.
Incidently, the picture of the guy in the new uniform with his berret on reminds me of the dress uniforms in the Starship Troopers movie, except not cool looking.
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What the hell is wrong with the Army? I mean seriousily, are they secretly going through a RIF, and trying to purposefully make retention and recruitment go further down the shitter? Looking at the Army lately, with their "Be a Soldier of One", berrets for everyone, and now their one color fits none BDUs, my confidence in that service is at an all time low.
On a plus note, at least us in the aviation world will have a less hard time distinguishing friendlies from the enemy. We'll just look for the idiots sticking out like sore thumbs in their dress whites, er I mean BDUs. I can just here the Tac-Ps on the radio now, "see those stupid fucks wearing what appear to be long johns, yeah, that's us, shoot everyone else."
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Master of Ossus wrote:It's about time the US Army got new uniforms, though I don't really see how these provide much better camoflauge protection than the old ones. Seems like a compromise to allow one uniform to provide minimal concealment in a wide range of areas, rather than offering good concealment in a single type of terrain.
The US army is apparently going to follow the tactics of the Brittish in WW2 according to Monty Python where they fought the Germans with the perfect joke.
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So... does everyone agree with my general sentiment that the Army's reasoning was an attempt to provide some concealment over all types of terrain, rather than good concealment over specific types of terrain?
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Knife wrote:Even then, white overalls are issued in artic or winter mountain conditions that cover up the massive amounts of green colored, cold weather gear you wear.
Headlines:US Army cannot afford white overalls anymore to go with regular uniform.
In finland our uniforms where green camo on one side and white on the other, during winter we just wore them outside in, they where designed for that, one uniform for two seasons.
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Master of Ossus wrote:So... does everyone agree with my general sentiment that the Army's reasoning was an attempt to provide some concealment over all types of terrain, rather than good concealment over specific types of terrain?
No, my sentiment is that they are trying to kill the enemy by making him laugh so hard he can't shoot back.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:In finland our uniforms where green camo on one side and white on the other, during winter we just wore them outside in, they where designed for that, one uniform for two seasons.
Well... I think that idea's pretty crappy, too, but I understand why it would make sense in Finland.
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At least now I don't feel so bad about our troops going into the desert wearing forest camo...
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Lord Revan wrote:I have say to that even the finnish M-91 uniforms look better then this and we finns have not been in any war since WW2.
Dunno. The M/91 pattern is quite horrible and there are many other things what should be fixed in that thing. Still, the M/91 is lot better than the godawful M/62, which will be entirely replaced in few years.
The new M/05 uniform of the Finnish Defence Forces:
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Dunno. The M/91 pattern is quite horrible and there are many other things what should be fixed in that thing. Still, the M/91 is lot better than the godawful M/62, which will be entirely replaced in few years.
The new M/05 uniform of the Finnish Defence Forces:
I suppose this picture is closer to the real thing than the one used in the CNN article. After all, not only does it look more sound, but also matches the description of the new uniform much better: ". . . is a mix of light green, tan and gray."
From an aestethical viewpoint the new Army uniform still looks butt-ugly.
Seems quite effective.
That should've been "Seems quite effective pattern."
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Howedar wrote:I find it amusing that the rank insignia is perfectly placed to be covered up by body armor.
I'd like to think that there'd be alternate placement when the body armor goes on, but I certainly don't see any.
I would think that it would be pretty easy to attach a rank insignia to the body armor itself, since it's basically coated with cloth. However, a lot of soldiers and units purposely cover up their ranks, or even remove them, before they go into combat just so that enemy snipers have more trouble identifying officers and high-ranking NCO's.
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Howedar wrote:I find it amusing that the rank insignia is perfectly placed to be covered up by body armor.
I'd like to think that there'd be alternate placement when the body armor goes on, but I certainly don't see any.
I would think that it would be pretty easy to attach a rank insignia to the body armor itself, since it's basically coated with cloth. However, a lot of soldiers and units purposely cover up their ranks, or even remove them, before they go into combat just so that enemy snipers have more trouble identifying officers and high-ranking NCO's.
This is related to the reason why you don't salute officiers in the field. "Congratulations, you just turned him into a target!"
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Atavarius wrote:There must be other colors.Here as well. Unless my eyes are fooling me.
Also it seems that the collar is not to be worn up all the time, only with the new body armor system.
Those pictures look more reasonable, so I'm guessing the CNN photo was overexposed. I still think the idea of having one color for two environments is pretty dumb.
At least it's not blue though.
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Atavarius wrote:There must be other colors.Here as well. Unless my eyes are fooling me.
Also it seems that the collar is not to be worn up all the time, only with the new body armor system.
Those pictures look more reasonable, so I'm guessing the CNN photo was overexposed. I still think the idea of having one color for two environments is pretty dumb.
The new pictures make the uniform look much better. I still think they should at least have a woodland and desert set, but at least that one doesn't stand out against EVERYTHING. I think it actually provides a reasonable degree of concealment in the desert, forest, and an urban environment, which is actually quite impressive. Nonetheless, it still can't compete with clothes designed to suit a particular environment.
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Howedar wrote:I find it amusing that the rank insignia is perfectly placed to be covered up by body armor.
I'd like to think that there'd be alternate placement when the body armor goes on, but I certainly don't see any.
I would think that it would be pretty easy to attach a rank insignia to the body armor itself, since it's basically coated with cloth. However, a lot of soldiers and units purposely cover up their ranks, or even remove them, before they go into combat just so that enemy snipers have more trouble identifying officers and high-ranking NCO's.
This is related to the reason why you don't salute officiers in the field. "Congratulations, you just turned him into a target!"
In the army, our term for this action was "sniper check".
In other news today, the United States Army has announced that it is in the first stages of carrying out President Bush's latest plans to attack an insidious, anti-American foe . . . the color-blind.
"With the latest in digital technology, we have invented a uniform that will finally give us an edge in the war against the color-blind!" General Hopalong said, amid protests that color-blind people are usually blind to the red or green portions of the spectrum . . . already making the old uniforms invisible to the color-blind.
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Christ that's a stupid uniform design. I can take my glasses off, go across the room and I could probably hit that target using my bad eye.
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On a plus note, at least us in the aviation world will have a less hard time distinguishing friendlies from the enemy. We'll just look for the idiots sticking out like sore thumbs in their dress whites, er I mean BDUs. I can just here the Tac-Ps on the radio now, "see those stupid fucks wearing what appear to be long johns, yeah, that's us, shoot everyone else."
Why are the the E-1-E-4 paygrade morons for doing something our brass tells us?
Solid Snake wrote:Why are the the E-1-E-4 paygrade morons for doing something our brass tells us?
I was commenting on the Army as a whole. I actuall feel sorry for the poor grunts whome have this crappy uniform foisted upon to.
We should make a poll on which one is worse: the AF blues or the Army, um, grays they look like.
In terms of looks, I think the Army takes the cake. In terms of usefulness, well, the AF is worse me thinks; this stuff might actually be a little bit effective, unlike the new AF cammies which seem to be an overly glorified dress uniform for working occassions (anytime they point out some form of "symbolism" on a supposedly working uniform, I get very doubtful).
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