innocence abused hooligans wrote:
Some fans accused the Portuguese police of heavy-handed tactics and of indiscriminately attacking people not involved in the violence, which has centred on La Bamba bar on both occasions.
Nothing like a good beating to make people understand it's unpolite to go to another country and misbehave. You really ought to see how the portuguese police is handling the poor schmucks. The images don't do it justice
innocence abused hooligans wrote:
Some fans accused the Portuguese police of heavy-handed tactics and of indiscriminately attacking people not involved in the violence, which has centred on La Bamba bar on both occasions.
Nothing like a good beating to make people understand it's unpolite to go to another country and misbehave. You really ought to see how the portuguese police is handling the poor schmucks. The images don't make it justice
yay, lock the assholes up and fine their asses off. hooligans are a disgrace to soccer.
They should unleash Special Operations services on these fuckers. Not just English hooligans, any fucking hooligans. While watching that fantastic victory of Greece over Portugal in the opening match (nod-nod, wink-wink), there was one thing that immediately struck me like a body blow.
The genuinely good natured audience, with like 3 generations of family in the stands. Grandparents/Parents/Children.
Fuck me dead, and call me Sally, but I have never really seen something like that anywhere else. It was a really good moment.
But the bad thing is that these stupid hooligans make the fucking news, which only encourages other morons to do the same!
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I think the reason hooligans were never a problem when the World Cup was held here in 1994 is that the Rodney King video was still fresh in everyone's mind.
Elfdart wrote:I think the reason hooligans were never a problem when the World Cup was held here in 1994 is that the Rodney King video was still fresh in everyone's mind.
afaik the us doesn´t have hooligans. at least not on the scale that european countries have to deal with. and since a trip to the usa is considerably more expensive than a flight within the european boarders i guess there were just not as many potential hooligans present.
Saw it this morning,and i wonder when will they ban British from going to other countries when there's a soccer(football) between England and the other team,and before flaming me its just a comment maybe that way the Brits will fix the damn hooligans problem.
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Montcalm wrote:Saw it this morning,and i wonder when will they ban British from going to other countries when there's a soccer(football) between England and the other team,and before flaming me its just a comment maybe that way the Brits will fix the damn hooligans problem.
I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Britain has a "ban list" of hooligans who aren't allowed to travel out of the country during soccer tournaments.
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Montcalm wrote:Saw it this morning,and i wonder when will they ban British from going to other countries when there's a soccer(football) between England and the other team,and before flaming me its just a comment maybe that way the Brits will fix the damn hooligans problem.
I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Britain has a "ban list" of hooligans who aren't allowed to travel out of the country during soccer tournaments.
And you'd be 100% correct. The FA and Foreign Office work together to stop known hooligans from going abroad. It's UEFA that is lax and allowing these guys to get tickets and sneak in even if they just want to cause trouble (there are gangs that live simply to incite hatred and violence at matches).
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And you'd be 100% correct. The FA and Foreign Office work together to stop known hooligans from going abroad. It's UEFA that is lax and allowing these guys to get tickets and sneak in even if they just want to cause trouble (there are gangs that live simply to incite hatred and violence at matches).
yeah, same here. hooligans have to report to their local police station on a daily basis and are not allowed to leave the country.
this was enacted after several german hooligans beat the french policeman neville almost dead with a stop sign.
it worked quite well during the euro 2002 in holland and belgium where german fans were involved in only one fight.
salm wrote:afaik the us doesn´t have hooligans. at least not on the scale that european countries have to deal with.
sounds like you have never seen the hooliganry that is abound when the New York Yankees play the Boston Red Sox in the playoffs. Hell, even the players and ground crew join in.
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yeh, its uefa's fault the known hooligans are even able to get tickets, and customs can only catch so many people. People are bound to slip through the gaps.
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Montcalm wrote:Saw it this morning,and i wonder when will they ban British from going to other countries when there's a soccer(football) between England and the other team,and before flaming me its just a comment maybe that way the Brits will fix the damn hooligans problem.
I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Britain has a "ban list" of hooligans who aren't allowed to travel out of the country during soccer tournaments.
However hooligans can circumvent the FA ban by tickets from UEFA off the internet.
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salm wrote:afaik the us doesn´t have hooligans. at least not on the scale that european countries have to deal with.
sounds like you have never seen the hooliganry that is abound when the New York Yankees play the Boston Red Sox in the playoffs. Hell, even the players and ground crew join in.
You are speaking out of ignorance, Valdemar wasn't joking when he said that there are organised gangs who spend their days running from match to match simply to incite hatred and violence at (or after) the matches.
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salm wrote:afaik the us doesn´t have hooligans. at least not on the scale that european countries have to deal with.
sounds like you have never seen the hooliganry that is abound when the New York Yankees play the Boston Red Sox in the playoffs. Hell, even the players and ground crew join in.
Things get pretty heated then (just like they do in Philadelphia when the Cowboys or the Giants come to town), but fights in the stands, players brawling, and one or two idiots jumping down onto the field or the bullpen is nothing compared to organized gangs who follow teams around for the express purpose of starting riots. Americans get out of control when their team wins (I'm surprised half of Detroit isn't on fire today), but we don't have hooliganism as Europeans understand it.
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Elfdart wrote:I think the reason hooligans were never a problem when the World Cup was held here in 1994 is that the Rodney King video was still fresh in everyone's mind.
I think the reason is that it was played in the US, and the US doesn't have soccer hooligans. Not even Mexico has a history of soccer hooliganism, compared with other Latin American states and Europe.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:
sounds like you have never seen the hooliganry that is abound when the New York Yankees play the Boston Red Sox in the playoffs. Hell, even the players and ground crew join in.
do you have any problems with hooligans who tear appart entire pedestrian areas, throw around basicly every chair of every cafe they see, meet up in gangs just to fight, kill police officers and beat up everybody who gets in their way with blunt objects?
i´m talking about after the games.
i don´t know. i´ve never heard of big hooligan activity in the states. perhaps i´m wrong.
Col. Crackpot wrote:
sounds like you have never seen the hooliganry that is abound when the New York Yankees play the Boston Red Sox in the playoffs. Hell, even the players and ground crew join in.
do you have any problems with hooligans who tear appart entire pedestrian areas, throw around basicly every chair of every cafe they see, meet up in gangs just to fight, kill police officers and beat up everybody who gets in their way with blunt objects?
i´m talking about after the games.
i don´t know. i´ve never heard of big hooligan activity in the states. perhaps i´m wrong.
well, not to that degree. but their is almost always violence after championship games. fires, angry mobs etc. Certain rivalries also bring out the worst in people.
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Whatever. The dipshits we have over here aren't even in the same category, or haven't you been reading?
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I think hooliganism is due to a general atmosphere of repressed violence on the European continent. There hasn't been a major European war in nearly 60 years! This is unnatural, of course there's going to be sports riots. If soccer was popular after the Congress of Vienna I'm sure we'd have seen the same thing.
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