EU Constituiton Approved.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-06-18 05:17pm

BBC

Only 25 separate ratifications and 2 years of whining to go.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-06-18 05:22pm

Why not just adopt the U.S. Constitution? It's worked for a few hundred years....

*Quietly dons an asbestos suit and climbs into his nuke bunker...*

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-06-18 05:30pm

Xenophobe3691 wrote:Why not just adopt the U.S. Constitution? It's worked for a few hundred years....

*Quietly dons an asbestos suit and climbs into his nuke bunker...*

Not long enough, the EU constitution is actually a convoluted scheme to see every tree on the planet cut down and the US constitution is far too short for that.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-06-18 06:42pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Xenophobe3691 wrote:Why not just adopt the U.S. Constitution? It's worked for a few hundred years....

*Quietly dons an asbestos suit and climbs into his nuke bunker...*
Not long enough, the EU constitution is actually a convoluted scheme to see every tree on the planet cut down and the US constitution is far too short for that.

Hahaha, pity we've got a head start, you know with the whole logging thing and acid rain killing Canadian Forests and all...

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2004-06-18 08:25pm

Good for them. Any news if the fundies managed to get "God" put into it?

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-06-18 11:01pm

The text of the Constitution

Note: PDF file, 30 pages long, no mentions of Europe's 'Christian heritage' or whatever crap the Vatican and Co. were trying to cram in before.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-06-19 04:49am

TheDarkling wrote:BBC

Only 25 separate ratifications and 2 years of whining to go.

Super-state dammit! Super-state!

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-06-20 03:36pm

Mayabird wrote:Note: PDF file, 30 pages long, no mentions of Europe's 'Christian heritage' or whatever crap the Vatican and Co. were trying to cram in before.

That might be because the preamble is not in there yet.

PS: Screw the vatican.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-06-20 03:50pm

GySgt. Hartman wrote: That might be because the preamble is not in there yet.

PS: Screw the vatican.

Those 30 pages are the alterations not the actual constitution.

There is only one alteration to the preamble in there and it isn't anything to do with religion therefore the constitution will just contain the reference already there ("Drawing inspiration from the cultural, religious and humanist inheritance of Europe").

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-06-20 04:03pm

TheDarkling wrote:There is only one alteration to the preamble in there and it isn't anything to do with religion [...]

Ther is? Where?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-06-20 04:13pm

GySgt. Hartman wrote: Ther is? Where?

Page 17.

This Charter reaffirms, with due regard for the powers and tasks of the Union and the principle of
subsidiarity, the rights as they result, in particular, from the constitutional traditions and
international obligations common to the Member States, the European Convention for the
Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, the Social Charters adopted by the Union
and by the Council of Europe and the case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union and of
the European Court of Human Rights. In this context the Charter will be interpreted by the courts
of the Union and the Member States with due regard to the explanations prepared under the
authority of the Praesidium of the Convention which drafted the Charter and updated under the
responsibility of the Praesidium of the European Convention.

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