What weapon killed Luke's family in ANH?

[Connor MacLeod]

Debunked? You've proved my point, you putz!

Only if one blatantly ignores (like you did) that your "point" (such as it is) involves a process that is STATED to destroy bones, yet what we see ONSCREEN are intact skeletons. And that's disregarding all the OTHER aspects I pointed out (which you ignored.)

That's right, can remain untouched. The BBC reported that the woman's body (apart from her legs) "was burned to a cinder".

cin·der n.

1. a. A burned or partly burned substance, such as coal, that is not reduced to ashes but is incapable of further combustion.
b. A partly charred substance that can burn further but without flame.
2. cinders Ashes.
3. cinders Geology. See scoria.
4. Metallurgy. See scoria.
5. Slag from a metal furnace.
(from dictionary.com)

Wow, you respond to me with... semantical nitpicking of the word "cinder!"! Damn, I wasn't expecting that.

Of course, "burnt to a cinder" doesn't prove your point at all, since as already established, the so called "wick effect" is supposed to destroy the bones as well - doesn't really bode well in light of what we see onscreen, but why let minor things like fact and logic in the face of the absurd case you're trying to build?

Were the Larses "obese"? Depends on your definition, but like most middle-aged men and women, they had some extra pounds by any standard and it wasn't in the form of muscle.

Obviously we can add "sarcasm" to the long list of things you don't understand.

Who's to say how long they were left to burn? Or if they would have been reduced to ashes had Luke turned up a few hours later?

Oh right, so they just "happened" to have all the flesh spontaneously burnt off their bodies while leaving the skeletons untouched (even though that's not supported by what you are claiming as proof.) Again, why bother with facts or consistency? According to you we can just invent any number of possibilities out of thin air to explain it! Maybe the empire used some sort of magical chain-reaction weapon that affects only flesh but not bone! Maybe it was a really REALLY fast acting flesh eating bacteria! Or hell, maybe the stormtroopers were all Force users and they used the Force to do it!

Anyhow, who's to say is you, since you're the one who insists on adding complex unknowns to the equation, which squarely places the "burden of proof" on.. well.. YOU.

As for your theory that the troopers burned them down to the bones as a form of torture, blasted the house, and then deposited the bodies where Luke found them, I have a question: Why?

The "Burning" is used as a means of interrogation. Obviously, once they got the information (or didn't find it), they couldn't leave any indication that Imperials might have been around, so they burned the entire bodies (and the homestead) both to cover their tracks at least (and possibly to set an example) . You know, like they did with the Sandcrawler?

If wringing information was their goal, how would burning someone to a skeleton work?

Gee, you set your blaster on low power and do it SLOWLY. They do have more than one setting you know.

Surely Owen and Beru would be dead long before most of their flesh was burned off.

Depends on how much they burnt off and how long they took. Since the "Burning" is mentioned in the Han Solo adventures novels as a viable interrogation technique, they obviously do NOT die immediately despite what you claim.

Why would the troopers continue to mutilate two dead bodies by burning off the rest of their flesh?

To hide the evidence of the interrogation method, one would imagine. Why bother shooting up the sandcrawler or killing all the Jawas?

Dead farmers don't talk.

But having the flesh burned off their legs to learn something might tip off someone stumbling by the scene.

And why would they place one corpse on top of the wreckage and another on the staircase?

Why would it matter WHERE they placed what was left after its done? Do you think the Imperials left some subtle message in the placement of the skeletons?

[Elfdart]

The "Burning" is used as a means of interrogation. Obviously, once they got the information (or didn't find it), they couldn't leave any indication that Imperials might have been around, so they burned the entire bodies (and the homestead) both to cover their tracks at least (and possibly to set an example) . You know, like they did with the Sandcrawler?

No, they blasted the sandcrawler, shot the Jawas and left the wreckage to burn. There are no little Jawa skeletons, are there?

To hide the evidence of the interrogation method, one would imagine. Why bother shooting up the sandcrawler or killing all the Jawas?

Dead farmers don't talk.

But having the flesh burned off their legs to learn something might tip off someone stumbling by the scene.

So they stick around to finish burning the flesh from their bones for no good reason? Who's making up extravagant steps in the story? YOU!

Why would it matter WHERE they placed what was left after its done? Do you think the Imperials left some subtle message in the placement of the skeletons?

Because either the house was shot up and then Owen and Beru were killed, or they were tortured and killed, the place shot to hell and then they were burned to a crisp. If the latter, your theory, is true it's up to YOU to explain why the troopers (a) went to the elaborate trouble to burn away the deceased Lars' flesh with their blasters and (b) why they wasted their time placing their bodies in those positions. So much for parsimony.

You keep invoking Ockham's Razor, but dull it up with bullshit.

[Darth Wong]

Let me get this straight: you explain away the missing physical manifestations of your natural-burn theory by appealing to your assumptions of how you think the stormtroopers should have behaved?

[Connor MacLeod]

No, they blasted the sandcrawler, shot the Jawas and left the wreckage to burn. There are no little Jawa skeletons, are there?

You really don't get the point, do you? They blasted the sand crawler as part of COVERING UP THEIR PRESENCE! It wasn't precisely neccessary to blast the sandcrawler once they killed the Jawas, but they did it anyways (Of course, maybe the Sand Crawler's hull spontaneously combusted too )

I might also add that there is no reason to assume they would NEED to do the Burning on Jawas - IIRC they aren't known much for courage or standing up for themselves (there was one of the Mos Eisley cantina stories about a Jawa who stands out from the others by just doing that - and gets gunned down by Imperials.)

So they stick around to finish burning the flesh from their bones for no good reason? Who's making up extravagant steps in the story? YOU!

So says Mr. "They're flesh spontaneously burned off but the bones were still relatively intact." (Even though human fat is a key component to the "wick effect" you previously cited, and there was no evidence of that on the skeletons - gee are you goign to assume the bones too can combust as well? )

And in any case, its not "extravagant" - we know they took the time to shoot up a fucking Sandcrawler - its not unreasonable to assume they would take steps to cover up their actions towards homesteaders. Especially since we have no reason to assume they would be under some sort of time constraint (except that its inconvenient to your bullshit theory, hence why you continue to pursue this ludicrous line of attack.)

Because either the house was shot up and then Owen and Beru were killed, or they were tortured and killed, the place shot to hell and then they were burned to a crisp. If the latter, your theory, is true it's up to YOU to explain why the troopers (a) went to the elaborate trouble to burn away the deceased Lars' flesh with their blasters and (b) why they wasted their time placing their bodies in those positions. So much for parsimony.

ROFLMAO. You, who cited a distortion of the so called "Wick Effect" to back up your claims as being the "obvious" answer, are lecturing me about parsimony? Obviously distorting parsimony is no more a problem than distorting your evidence was.

I might remind you that the explanation (IE the reference to the "burning") has in fact already been mentioned and explained (and both fits with and is corroborated by canon and official, unlike YOUR "mysterous unknown mechanism") In fact, its far simpler than what you proposed (I already pointed out the problems with the "Wick effect" when I posted that arrticle remember?)

You keep invoking Ockham's Razor, but dull it up with bullshit.

Its because that I, unlike you, actually KNOW how to apply it.

[Connor MacLeod]

Let me get this straight: you explain away the missing physical manifestations of your natural-burn theory by appealing to your assumptions of how you think the stormtroopers should have behaved?

Shhh.. Logic is inconvenient to his argument! Don't give the big secret away

[Elfdart]

Let me get this straight: you explain away the missing physical manifestations of your natural-burn theory by appealing to your assumptions of how you think the stormtroopers should have behaved?

No, but someone who claims the "special burn setting" needs to explain the placement of the bodies. If it's the work of the stormtroopers, why?

[Ace Pace]

No, but someone who claims the "special burn setting" needs to explain the placement of the bodies. If it's the work of the stormtroopers, why?

Dumbass, the special Burn setting is official and has been used in official literature, why do you feel the need to make up stuff, for events that are allready explained?

[Connor MacLeod]

Oh yes, and Elfdart, you have yet AGAIN ignored the fact that YOUR theory (even IF we disregard the "burning their flehs off with blasters" theory) still we STILL SEE FUCKING INTACT SKELETONS! Mike has pointed this out to you once before, ,and I've been repeatedly pointing this out (even to the extent of citing a BBC article that defeats your "theory") and you have consistently ignored it.

[Howedar]

I take your lack of a point-by-point rebuttal to be an implicit concession, but I'm going to keep ripping your shit apart because it amuses the hell out of me.

The common isntinct is to get away from the fire. A person exiting a tube with billowing flames behind him is going to try to reach a place where the flames can't reach him.

Please explain why flames from a common house fire are going to billow sideways several meters, Elfdart. Then explain how someone could have survived those flames long enough to even get out the door.

Running in the same direction as the tube would allow the flames to reach the person if they were large enough. Moving to one side or the other after exiting the tunnel would be safer than trying to outrun flames you fucking imbecile.

Add fire to the list of things Elfdart has never seen.

To avoid the flames, "Beru" simply would have to make a left turn when she reached the top of the stairs, plus a couple of steps. And no, shit-for-brains, she didn't need to move to her right to avoid the flames. Left or right would have allowed her to dodge the flames.

Then she went AROUND THE PILE, BACK TOWARDS THE FIRE. Thanks for conveniently not addressing that little part.

If Ockham is getting angry, it's because mongoloid fucks like you invoke his name to advance theories that don't even pass elementary scrutiny, and total horseshit such as:

Jesus you're dumb.

Ten feet? When "Beru" reaches the top of the steps, she is maybe half that far from the debris. That's about two steps for most adults.

Not less than five feet from the edge of the stairway to Beru's head, plus another full body length to her feet. Unless she was standing on her head.

Ten feet.

You make it sound like she has to run a 40-yard dash to get aroung some concrete blocks that are at most a couple of strides away.

SHE'S FUCKING BURNING TO DEATH YOU RETARD. She's going to go out of her way to go over to the debris, then go around to the other side, which requires going back towards the flames?

What, did she want to go mourn for her broken pot?

Where do running people fall backwards? Cloud City. It TESB, stormtroopers running after Leia and Chewie do it at least twice. Why? Because they've been shot by stormtrooper-issue blasters, you brainless cunt.

Please cite a specific instance of a stormtrooper running foreward briskly (as if, you know, escaping a fire), then falling not down but back onto his back.

Then explain why your theory has become even MORE needlessly uncomplicated by adding Stormtroopers shooting Owen and Beru while they're burning to death from some evil magical super-duper wicking effect.

Then explain why this is so much more logical than an official ability to simply burn flesh off of bones with a blaster.

As for concrete, I've worked with the stuff since I was twelve. Polished concrete (the kind used for indoor flooring) repels water and grease much more than the rough stuff used for driveways and parking lots. How much of a stain are you looking for? Human fat is more like bacon grease than motor oil. It's not going to leave the kind of stain you see under cars.

Except that you're adding shit that isn't going to burn to well to the mix. It's not like we're dealing with cooking-grade lard you retard, there's going to be all sorts of ash and shit mixed into that grease, which will conveniently stain it a nice dark color.

Of course, you did not at any point address the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that the concrete construction is anything but smooth. If you've worked with concrete since you were twelve you ought to know full well that you almost always make vertical concrete areas smooth.

I brought up the spot by "Beru's" shoulder because it looks reflective. Spilled liquid from the pottery? A glossy piece of concrete, or simply a darker piece? Melted body fat? Broken ceramics? You tell me.

Um, I see smoke and shadow.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the lack of any marks whatsoever by the other corpse.

[Elfdart]

No, but someone who claims the "special burn setting" needs to explain the placement of the bodies. If it's the work of the stormtroopers, why?

Dumbass, the special Burn setting is official and has been used in official literature, why do you feel the need to make up stuff, for events that are allready explained?

Show me where in canon the specific cause (the actual weapon used) of the deaths of Owen and Beru is listed. Can't find it? Then why are you claiming the "burn setting" is "official" and "allready [sic] explained"? So it's used in a novel. Setting bodies on fire is used twice in the actual movies.

[Connor MacLeod]

Oh gee, now he's attempting to dismiss the EU by citing "canon only" This is getting better and better. Especially since he's also ignoring the obvious fact we HAVE precedents to explain the use of the Burning (a need to acquire information, and a need to cover up their activiites. You know, the Sandcrawler and the Jawas. )

Isn't it fun when the troll completely abandons attempting to defend his theory and tries to win by attacking the other theory (even if his own theory STILL isn't workable in the least )

[Ace Pace]

Show me where in canon the specific cause (the actual weapon used) of the deaths of Owen and Beru is listed. Can't find it? Then why are you claiming the "burn setting" is "official" and "allready [sic] explained"? So it's used in a novel. Setting bodies on fire is used twice in the actual movies.

The actual weapon is a reguler blaster, that has a setting to burn off flesh, leaving bone exposed, used for Interogation.
It was mentioned during the Han Solo books, and IIRC the SW novelization, i shall check the latter again.

Official, if you need to be reminded, is anything in the EU, that is not contradicted by canon level stuff.

Its explained by, that there is a method, there is a need to use it, the evidence does not contradict it, what more do you want? a letter from Lucas?!

Where is it used twice?

[nightmare]

I figured in that scenario they either used some kind of door breaching explosive (not a thermal detonator). I thought I heard rumors that in the early drafts or in early production it was a fusion cutter, but obviously that doesn't account for the "explosion" effect. If it was some kind of "sprayable explosive" or something that ignites like a fuse and then blows out the center, that could be something easily portable in a trooper's utility belt.

The sparks go around the door in a pattern then "boom" and the door bursts into chunks. Not like we'd expect from say focused beams of high intensity blasters (which I would think would be more like what we saw with Qui Gon and the blast door in TPM).

Sorry to get off topic, and thanks for clarifying. I was re-watching ANH and got through some of the scenes we've talked about on here before and had some of my ideas changed, but I'll save that for another thread & time.

Kind of a late reply on this side topic, but here goes. The visuals and the sound indicates somekind of burning through the door. I don't have a problem with it being a fusion cutter, but there's no evidence I know of that the Stormtroopers were using anything else than E-11 blasters.

The explosion is rather easy to explain since blasters do that kind of thing normally. So say two troopers burn through the door with a nonstandard continuous burn setting, then another fires on the door with a high power standard mode setting to knock out the door.

Yes, it's a bit of swiss army knife theory, but there's ample evidence for it as already mentioned in this thread. It doesn't match using a TD at all.

[Elfdart]

Oh gee, now he's attempting to dismiss the EU by citing "canon only" This is getting better and better. Especially since he's also ignoring the obvious fact we HAVE precedents to explain the use of the Burning (a need to acquire information, and a need to cover up their activiites. You know, the Sandcrawler and the Jawas. )

Where in EU are people actually burned into skeletons?

Isn't it fun when the troll completely abandons attempting to defend his theory and tries to win by attacking the other theory (even if his own theory STILL isn't workable in the least )

MacLeod is doing here what the shrinks call projection: accusing others of doing what he does. He still hasn't explained the stormtroopers rearranging the bodies -something that had to be done for his theory to be plausible.

I haven't abandoned my theory at all. The stormtroopers attacked the homestead, started a fire, shot the Larses and left them. So their bodies are most likely too evenly burned for for the "giant candle" effect. It's more of a possibility than the idea that the stormtroopers burn them alive, burn them more when they're dead (for no reason), THEN blast the premises and THEN arrange the bodies (again for no reason).

[Elfdart]

Show me where in canon the specific cause (the actual weapon used) of the deaths of Owen and Beru is listed. Can't find it? Then why are you claiming the "burn setting" is "official" and "allready [sic] explained"? So it's used in a novel. Setting bodies on fire is used twice in the actual movies.

The actual weapon is a reguler blaster, that has a setting to burn off flesh, leaving bone exposed, used for Interogation.
It was mentioned during the Han Solo books, and IIRC the SW novelization, i shall check the latter again.

Official, if you need to be reminded, is anything in the EU, that is not contradicted by canon level stuff.

Its explained by, that there is a method, there is a need to use it, the evidence does not contradict it, what more do you want? a letter from Lucas?!

Where is it used twice?

Try watching The Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi. Since you apparently haven't watched either, I won't spoil them for you. *

[Ace Pace]

Where in EU are people actually burned into skeletons?

See my post, it has been mentioned in Han Solo at Stars end.

Isn't it fun when the troll completely abandons attempting to defend his theory and tries to win by attacking the other theory (even if his own theory STILL isn't workable in the least )

MacLeod is doing here what the shrinks call projection: accusing others of doing what he does. He still hasn't explained the stormtroopers rearranging the bodies -something that had to be done for his theory to be plausible.

I haven't abandoned my theory at all. The stormtroopers attacked the homestead, started a fire, shot the Larses and left them. So their bodies are most likely too evenly burned for for the "giant candle" effect. It's more of a possibility than the idea that the stormtroopers burn them alive, burn them more when they're dead (for no reason), THEN blast the premises and THEN arrange the bodies (again for no reason).

Why do the Storm troopers have to re-arrenge their bodies, its perfectly natural that this order of events happen:

1)Troopers arrive, the Larss walk out to see them
2) Troopers attempt to Interogate the Lars
3) Lars resist, troopers began destroying their homes, switch to burning the Lars
4) lars collapse from their feet muscles burned away, one of them ON TOP of the wreckage
5) troopers, who have killed both, finsh torching the place.

Whats so complex about that?!

[Ace Pace]

Try watching The Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi. Since you apparently haven't watched either, I won't spoil them for you. *

I have watched them, since my DVD player is out of commision, what scenes are you talking about.

[Kurgan]

Interesting stuff. ; )

If anyone can post the quotes from the EU sources explaining this "torture setting" that might be helpful.

[Connor MacLeod]

Where in EU are people actually burned into skeletons?

Nowhere, but they have the ability to burn flesh off bone (Han Solo at Star's End) as well as the power output levels to do so (Ref, ANH novelization, AOTC ICS, the novel Tattooine's Ghost, etc.

Nice attempted strawman, by the way.

MacLeod is doing here what the shrinks call projection: accusing others of doing what he does.

Funny, I wasn't accusing you of being a logical and analytical person. If anything you're doing about the most effective Scooter impression I've yet seen.

He still hasn't explained the stormtroopers rearranging the bodies -something that had to be done for his theory to be plausible.

That actually assumes that its NECCESSARY to prove that for the theory to be plausible, of course. (And this is, yet again, ignoring the fact that your theory doesn't even work at all, though you never address those points even once.

And BTW, I HAVE explained it (The Sandcrawlers? Covering up their activities? Interrogating for information on the droids? Did you suddenly develop shorrt-term amensia or something, or are you just yet again deliberately ignoring points that you don't want to address?)

I haven't abandoned my theory at all. The stormtroopers attacked the homestead, started a fire, shot the Larses and left them. So their bodies are most likely too evenly burned for for the "giant candle" effect. It's more of a possibility than the idea that the stormtroopers burn them alive, burn them more when they're dead (for no reason), THEN blast the premises and THEN arrange the bodies (again for no reason).

Too bad your bullshit theory doesn't work, since what we saw are INTACT SKELETONS and your silly Wick effect/Spontaneous combustion crap involves actually DESTROYING bone (I even specifically quoted that fact - again you love ignoring those points, don't you?) And that's not even taking into account (even if we were to ignore the glaring problem of the intact skeletons), the fact we're talking about something that is at best, a rare occurance operating under a specific set of conditions.

Of course you'll just either ignore that again or dimsiss it with alot of bullshitting speculation (all the while claiming the other person is the one with the overly complex theory, humorously enough.)

[Ace Pace]

Interesting stuff. ; )

If anyone can post the quotes from the EU sources explaining this "torture setting" that might be helpful.

I don't recall exact quotes, but the weapon slowly burned away skin, maximising pain, till it reachs bone, its used to torture prisoners while keeping them alive.

[Connor MacLeod]

Try watching The Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi. Since you apparently haven't watched either, I won't spoil them for you. *

I have watched them, since my DVD player is out of commision, what scenes are you talking about.

He's talking about Qui-Gon and Anakin/Vader's funeral pyres.

Apparently he's trying to suggest SW humans are easily combustible

[Ace Pace]

He's talking about Qui-Gon and Anakin/Vader's funeral pyres.

Apparently he's trying to suggest SW humans are easily combustible

Lets give him a bit of slack, maybe he means the blaster hits?

[Elfdart]

First point. "Beru" would have moved to the side of the stairway BECAUSE the flames wouldn't have billowed in that direction. At least not at first. How do people make it out of homes before the flames get them? The question itself is so moronic it hardly deserves an answer. I'll leave it to Howedar to explain how ANYONE makes it out of a burning building.

Apparently, fire and buildings are TWO things Howedar has never seen.

Did Beru go toward the fire by moving to the other side of the debris? Look at the picture, you fucking cretin. Flames would have come from the doorway, UP the stairs. The wreckage is a few feet to the left of the top of the stairs. AWAY FROM THE SOURCE OF THE FLAMES YOU STUPID CUNT! Moving either to the left or the right would be a way to avoid the flames.

Chalk up stairs as another thing Howedar has never seen.

And no, in my scenario "Beru" is NOT burning to death, asshole. Part of her clothing is on fire. Yet another attempt by Howedar to put words in my mouth. What a dick!

Another Howedar trick is the harebrained leap of logic. I mention the stormtroopers falling backwards when shot with blasters. He then (grasping for straws) wants us to believe that Beru Lars, a pudgy middle-aged woman (or Owen Lars, an old man with a beer gut) clothed in baggy burlap should be able to clear a staircase more "briskly" than soldiers who have reason to believe they face death if they can't catch escaped prisoners -and are running on a flat surface. Only in the Bizarro World of Howedar is this clownishly stupid idea even considered. But I'd better answer lest my own personal cyberstalker get upset and ...what?

The clothes on Owen and Beru have only started burning when the troopers shoot them in my scenario. The troopers leave them for dead just like they did the Jawas. If the troopers are going to go to the trouble to put gaffi sticks and bantha tracks around the sandcrawler, why are no such things present at the Lars home? Isn't it more likely that they left the Lars' farm without going to much effort to cover their tracks?

Flame away, douchebag.

[Connor MacLeod]

Interesting stuff. ; )

If anyone can post the quotes from the EU sources explaining this "torture setting" that might be helpful.

I don't recall exact quotes, but the weapon slowly burned away skin, maximising pain, till it reachs bone, its used to torture prisoners while keeping them alive.

"The Burning was a torture involving the use of a blaster set at low power, to scorch and sear the flesh off a prisoner, leaving only blood-smeared bone. Usually, a leg would be first, immobilizing the victim; then the rest of the skeleton was exposed, inch by inch. Any other prisoners could be made to watch, to break their will. The Burning seldom failed to obtain answers, if answeres were to be had; but in Han's opinion, no being who employed such methods deserved to live."

Han Solo at STar's End, page 124-125


I don't recall such a mention in the ANH novelization, not that its particularily neccessary - Elfie is just trying to toss out the EU arbitrarily so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong (a rather common tactic among trolls, really.)

It is interesting to note that the blaster can accomplish the above effect with sufficient precision that it does not appear to scorch the bone (and we know from TPM and ROTJ that blasters are generally not very penetrative weapons - the glass doors in the Queen's castle on Naboo, and the Ewok Hang Glider shot down in ROTJ.) In fact, I believe there are reddish streaks on the leg bones at least (in the laserdisk versions I was viewing, at least, there seemed to be.)

[Ace Pace]

First point. "Beru" would have moved to the side of the stairway BECAUSE the flames wouldn't have billowed in that direction. At least not at first. How do people make it out of homes before the flames get them? The question itself is so moronic it hardly deserves an answer. I'll leave it to Howedar to explain how ANYONE makes it out of a burning building.

Your basing this all on the fact the building was set fire to BEFORE they killed Beru and Owen, again, thats not a logical series of events.
The rest, is obvious, but totatly useless, since your basing it all on the fact the troopers set fire to the house before bringing the Lars outside.

Apparently, fire and buildings are TWO things Howedar has never seen.

Did Beru go toward the fire by moving to the other side of the debris? Look at the picture, you fucking cretin. Flames would have come from the doorway, UP the stairs. The wreckage is a few feet to the left of the top of the stairs. AWAY FROM THE SOURCE OF THE FLAMES YOU STUPID CUNT! Moving either to the left or the right would be a way to avoid the flames.

Chalk up stairs as another thing Howedar has never seen.

And no, in my scenario "Beru" is NOT burning to death, asshole. Part of her clothing is on fire. Yet another attempt by Howedar to put words in my mouth. What a dick!

Again, this is all based that the Lars weren't outside when they torched the place, why does it have to be that it gets on fire... without them noticing the troopers arrive and start shooting?!

Another Howedar trick is the harebrained leap of logic. I mention the stormtroopers falling backwards when shot with blasters. He then (grasping for straws) wants us to believe that Beru Lars, a pudgy middle-aged woman (or Owen Lars, an old man with a beer gut) clothed in baggy burlap should be able to clear a staircase more "briskly" than soldiers who have reason to believe they face death if they can't catch escaped prisoners -and are running on a flat surface. Only in the Bizarro World of Howedar is this clownishly stupid idea even considered. But I'd better answer lest my own personal cyberstalker get upset and ...what?

The clothes on Owen and Beru have only started burning when the troopers shoot them in my scenario. The troopers leave them for dead just like they did the Jawas. If the troopers are going to go to the trouble to put gaffi sticks and bantha tracks around the sandcrawler, why are no such things present at the Lars home? Isn't it more likely that they left the Lars' farm without going to much effort to cover their tracks?

Flame away, douchebag.

Idiot, whats wrong with my order of events, that does not involve the troopers doing extra shit? Whats so hard to belive they try to interogate the Lars, it fails, and they kill them and torch the place?