Can Dominion phased polorn beams penetrate Imperial shields

[The Nomad]

The Silence and I : http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... raxis.html

[Haze Gray]

Vader already had a Holonet conference with several Captains inside the asteroid field ,remember?

And one of the Star Destroyer's bridges was destroyed by an asteroid. The sheilds may have been down or, at the very least, weakened.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Can you think of a reason for that aside from something getting through the shields?

The only possible reasons the ship could shake are:
A. the energy of the shot itself was high enough to impart significant kinetic energy to the ship
B. something got through the shields and caused something else

A is very often impossible simply due to the low amount of energy being thrown about.

I know where you are coming from but you must remember ST ships use mass manipulation technology. Therefore what you think should shake the ship isn't necessarily the case.

Well, the mass-lightening isn't likely to make a difference, if you can push around a vessel as if it lighter than it is, you can develop perpetual motion, and violate conservation of energy: Find a gravity field, and make a see-saw or rotating arm with masses on each end. Make one lighter and the arm will move, then make the other end lighter and it will continue to move... BAD!!
Mass lightening allows the vessel to cheat, in a way... If it taks x power to accel. an object normally, you would provide x with impulse engines. But if you reduce the object's mass, you can accel. the object with smaller engines--you just need to make up the difference with some other power source, like the warp core. Basically, this means Federation vessels can accel. their ships with smaller impulse engines, using warp power to make up the difference. An external impact can only cause an accel. as determined by the ship's normal mass. The only exception would be if the starship was programmed to provide the necessary power from the warp core during unexpected applications of force, to simulate low mass-ness... but why would they?

That's why ST ships also have IDF or Interial Damper Fields.

[Pine Tree]

Star Wars sheilds cannot even stand up to a proton torpedo, it goes straight through. When planning the attach on the death star in episode 4 it was plainly stated "the shaft is ray-sheilded so you'll have to use proton torpedoes." Ray-sheilds are the primary sheilds on star wars ships, they are what stop turbolasers. Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields, if torps can get through, why not polaron beams?

[Ghost Rider]

Star Wars sheilds cannot even stand up to a proton torpedo, it goes straight through. When planning the attach on the death star in episode 4 it was plainly stated "the shaft is ray-sheilded so you'll have to use proton torpedoes." Ray-sheilds are the primary sheilds on star wars ships, they are what stop turbolasers. Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields, if torps can get through, why not polaron beams?

Proof helps...as well as the fact that ships are ray and particle shielded.

[KhyronTheBackstabber]

Star Wars sheilds cannot even stand up to a proton torpedo, it goes straight through.

Ever hear of particle shields?

When planning the attach on the death star in episode 4 it was plainly stated "the shaft is ray-sheilded so you'll have to use proton torpedoes." Ray-sheilds are the primary sheilds on star wars ships, they are what stop turbolasers.

You're right. But if they had particle shields too, then the torps wouldn't have gone though ether.

Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields, if torps can get through, why not polaron beams?

Because the missiles didn't go though the shields, the shields were taken down by the concentrated fire of the rebel fleet. Try again tree boy.

[Techno_Union]

Something you should know Pine Tree, at the time of ESB when the Executor and Death Squadran arrived in the Hoth system, 3 ISDs Mk IIs crashed into the Executor while coming out of hyperspace. The Executor's shields winced or callapsed for a moment then Imperial engineers got them back up with little damage to the actual ship. Now you really should go read up on shields and what ot from SW. That would help when you post here.

[Eframepilot]

Wha?! Where did those ISD-IIs come from and why have I never heard of this? The Rebels couldn't have sent them since they had no idea Death Squadron was coming to Hoth, so it must be another example of terrible Imperial piloting.

Or more likely, you were referring to the incident from the Classic Star Wars comics and meant Yavin instead of Hoth.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Wha?! Where did those ISD-IIs come from and why have I never heard of this? The Rebels couldn't have sent them since they had no idea Death Squadron was coming to Hoth, so it must be another example of terrible Imperial piloting.

Or more likely, you were referring to the incident from the Classic Star Wars comics and meant Yavin instead of Hoth.

Or an attempt to kill Lord Vader, a costly one but lol how else would you kill that man.

[Isolder74]

Star Wars sheilds cannot even stand up to a proton torpedo, it goes straight through. When planning the attach on the death star in episode 4 it was plainly stated "the shaft is ray-sheilded so you'll have to use proton torpedoes." Ray-sheilds are the primary sheilds on star wars ships, they are what stop turbolasers. Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields, if torps can get through, why not polaron beams?

Well you can't put particle shieling over an exaust vent, now can you. For the vent to work stuff has to be able to go out. hence a hole to that kind of stuff

[Sarevok]

One huge advantage in the federation's favor is that when transported down Fed troops can appear ANYWHERE with transporters.

Proof that shields dont stop torpedoes ?

When planning the attach on the death star in episode 4 it was plainly stated "the shaft is ray-sheilded so you'll have to use proton torpedoes." Ray-sheilds are the primary sheilds on star wars ships, they are what stop turbolasers.

They also have particle shields that stop matter.

Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields,

Are you deaf ? It was mentioned that the Executors forward shields had failed before the missiles impacted.

[teleguy]

Vader already had a Holonet conference with several Captains inside the asteroid field ,remember?

And one of the Star Destroyer's bridges was destroyed by an asteroid. The sheilds may have been down or, at the very least, weakened.

Which shows that Vader didn't give a damn if shields were up or not.

[Haze Gray]

Vader already had a Holonet conference with several Captains inside the asteroid field ,remember?

And one of the Star Destroyer's bridges was destroyed by an asteroid. The sheilds may have been down or, at the very least, weakened.

Which shows that Vader didn't give a damn if shields were up or not.

Um ... no, it shows that the shields have some sort of effect on transmissions, so they need to be deactivated or weakened. That is what is in debate, enit?

[teleguy]

You said Vader ordered the ship out of the asteroid field for the transmission because he didn't want to drop shields inside the field.

[HRogge]

You said Vader ordered the ship out of the asteroid field for the transmission because he didn't want to drop shields inside the field.

He ordered the ship out of the astreroid field to get a clear communication with the Emperor... they were able to receive the call from Coruscant within the asteroid field, but the quality might be not optimal.

[Sunstreaker]

Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields,

Are you deaf ? It was mentioned that the Executors forward shields had failed before the missiles impacted.

dude?, it was after the globe was destroyed that the Imperials related to the audience that the shields were down.

A pair of A-wings fire lasers at one of the two globes atop the Executor bridge tower and the globe explodes.

An Imp dude tells the admiral that the forward shields are down

Then the Admiral ordered the forward firepower intensified....

Then the x-wing was destroyed and the A-wing goes out of control

Then the Admiral yells "Intensify forward firepower"

Then the Imp Navy dude yells "Too late"

Then A-wing crashes into the Executor

Good-bye Executor

So where do you get the idea that the shields were down before the globes was destroyed? (other than the fact that the A-wings were hitting the globe)

[Techno_Union]

Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields,

Are you deaf ? It was mentioned that the Executors forward shields had failed before the missiles impacted.

dude?, it was after the globe was destroyed that the Imperials related to the audience that the shields were down.

A pair of A-wings fire lasers at one of the two globes atop the Executor bridge tower and the globe explodes.

An Imp dude tells the admiral that the forward shields are down

Then the Admiral ordered the forward firepower intensified....

Then the x-wing was destroyed and the A-wing goes out of control

Then the Admiral yells "Intensify forward firepower"

Then the Imp Navy dude yells "Too late"

Then A-wing crashes into the Executor

Good-bye Executor

So where do you get the idea that the shields were down before the globes was destroyed? (other than the fact that the A-wings were hitting the globe)

There has already been much debate on whether those globes were sensor domes or shield generator, the more enlightened majority of SD.net subscribe to the sensor/rader theory brought up by Saxton (it was Saxton right? ). Not to mention I believe Lucas just put those scence in a wrong order, to the average movie goer it would seem those were the shield generators.

Also, they were torpedoes, not lasers which detonated on the domes.

[Connor MacLeod]

Star Wars sheilds cannot even stand up to a proton torpedo, it goes straight through.

When the target has no particle shielding, one would expect this to occur.

Of course, there are numrous canon examples (say, the Falcon deflecting a gigantic asteroid in the ANH novelization when emerging from hyperspace near Alderaan, star destroyers stopping starfighter collisions, etc.) And that's not even counting official.

When planning the attach on the death star in episode 4 it was plainly stated "the shaft is ray-sheilded so you'll have to use proton torpedoes." Ray-sheilds are the primary sheilds on star wars ships, they are what stop turbolasers.

Which is why they also use particle shielding. This was expliticlt ymentioned in the ANH novelization, if nowhere else.

Also in return of the jedi concusion missles from a pair of A-wings went through shields to destroy the executer's shields, if torps can get through, why not polaron beams?

Because the torpedoes did not get THROUGH the shields.. the shields were already down. (unless you care to explain how said shields can deflect physical impacts from asteroids, other ships, etc... but somehow fail to stop a torpedo.)

[Sunstreaker]

[There has already been much debate on whether those globes were sensor domes or shield generator, the more enlightened majority of SD.net subscribe to the sensor/rader theory brought up by Saxton (it was Saxton right? ).

That's why I typed globes instead of sensors or shield generators. I wasn't disputing what they were.

Personally I do think of them as shield generators, however I've always guessed that the Mon Cals and other cap ships knocked down the shields protecting the generators allowing the A-wings to move in for a kill shot on one of said generators leaving the bridge vulnerable.

Not to mention I believe Lucas just put those scence in a wrong order, to the average movie goer it would seem those were the shield generators.

That's complete and utter BS where suspension of disblief is conserned.

Also, they were torpedoes, not lasers which detonated on the domes.

Links please.
Because those red lances fired by the A-wings appear similar to the red lances fired by x-wings ("lasers")?

[Techno_Union]

[There has already been much debate on whether those globes were sensor domes or shield generator, the more enlightened majority of SD.net subscribe to the sensor/rader theory brought up by Saxton (it was Saxton right? ).

That's why I typed globes instead of sensors or shield generators. I wasn't disputing what they were.

Personally I do think of them as shield generators, however I've always guessed that the Mon Cals and other cap ships knocked down the shields protecting the generators allowing the A-wings to move in for a kill shot on one of said generators leaving the bridge vulnerable.

Not to mention I believe Lucas just put those scence in a wrong order, to the average movie goer it would seem those were the shield generators.

That's complete and utter BS where suspension of disblief is conserned.

Also, they were torpedoes, not lasers which detonated on the domes.

Links please.
Because those red lances fired by the A-wings appear similar to the red lances fired by x-wings ("lasers")?

I will have to watch the battle again, but I thought there were blue (concussion missiles) things launching into the domes. So...links, hmmm, I will have to look for some if you really want some.

[KhyronTheBackstabber]

[Links please.
Because those red lances fired by the A-wings appear similar to the red lances fired by x-wings ("lasers")?

Those were concussion missiles. They have an orange glow to them, and look similar to the lasers. I just check it out, and they're the same as what the Falcon fired at the DS2 core.

[Slartibartfast]

[Links please.
Because those red lances fired by the A-wings appear similar to the red lances fired by x-wings ("lasers")?

Those were concussion missiles. They have an orange glow to them, and look similar to the lasers. I just check it out, and they're the same as what the Falcon fired at the DS2 core.

They look nearly identical, but you can see that they are a lot slower (their "lasers" are nearly instantaneous, like, always going from point A to point B in 1/10 of a second regardless of distance).

[Sunstreaker]

[Links please.
Because those red lances fired by the A-wings appear similar to the red lances fired by x-wings ("lasers")?

Those were concussion missiles. They have an orange glow to them, and look similar to the lasers. I just check it out, and they're the same as what the Falcon fired at the DS2 core.

They look nearly identical, but you can see that they are a lot slower (their "lasers" are nearly instantaneous, like, always going from point A to point B in 1/10 of a second regardless of distance).

You actually timed the multiple rabid fire bursts of laser fire coming from the A-wing rotating cannons and concluded that the cannons shoot missles instead?

[Slartibartfast]

They look nearly identical, but you can see that they are a lot slower (their "lasers" are nearly instantaneous, like, always going from point A to point B in 1/10 of a second regardless of distance).

You actually timed the multiple rabid fire bursts of laser fire coming from the A-wing rotating cannons and concluded that the cannons shoot missles instead?[/quote]

No, I actually pulled the number out of my ass, but it DOES take lasers a small fraction of a second to reach any distance while the A-Wing shots slowly drifted into the dome, even giving the fighters time to turn away and get off-screen before the impact. It was the same with the Death Star reactor.

[Sunstreaker]

No, I actually pulled the number out of my ass, but it DOES take lasers a small fraction of a second to reach any distance while the A-Wing shots slowly drifted into the dome, even giving the fighters time to turn away and get off-screen before the impact. It was the same with the Death Star reactor.

I wasn't disputing the Falcon's missiles and X-wing torps, however, I'll have to check the A-wing attack. What you’re saying contradicts what I remember. (i.e the "red lances" appeared to move almost instantly from the A-wings to the globe.)