It's 12:00. Do you know where John Kerry is?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-06-23 01:20am

I'm starting this thread because I honestly don't know why the hell I should vote for John Kerry. "He's not Bush," to me, is not sufficient reason to select him as the candidate to whom I entrust my vote, and while I disagree with him on the little nitty-gritty campaign ideals that all candidates put forth (ie. his plan on community service and such), but I don't know where he stands on the BIG issues--the ones that count. So, if anyone has any John Kerry sightings they wish to discuss, where he reveals his plans for the future of America, please post them here.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2004-06-23 01:30am

Are you on travel? It's 10:35pm in California and I don't know where Kerry is.

Anyway, I don't have a good issue. I have not been paying attention to the Democrats because I wan't Bush out. Plus I've had a lot of other issues at work/personal to deal with. So this election Im sorta tuned out for better or worse.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-06-23 01:35am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:Are you on travel? It's 10:35pm in California and I don't know where Kerry is.

It was a joke. Remember the old "It's 12:00. Do you know where your kids are?" thing?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-23 01:39am

Vote Libertarian!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-23 01:44am

Vote some other third party! (Sorry, Alyrium...)

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-23 01:46am

*Points to sig*

There is no reason to vote for Kerry, because he doesnt even pick an actual stance on issues. He is trying to be everything to everyone, and it isnt going to work. I have friends who are normally liberal who are voting bush, simply because they at least know where that douchbag stands.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2004-06-23 01:50am

Master of Ossus wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote:Are you on travel? It's 10:35pm in California and I don't know where Kerry is.
It was a joke. Remember the old "It's 12:00. Do you know where your kids are?" thing?

Hehe, I remember that. I just didnt make the connection.

I've been far to busy at work and am getting tired.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-23 01:55am

Rogue 9 wrote:Vote some other third party! (Sorry, Alyrium...)

AFAIK there are only two political parties contesting in the US - the Democrats and the Republicans. Both presidential candidates come from these two parties.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-06-23 01:57am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Vote some other third party! (Sorry, Alyrium...)
AFAIK there are only two political parties contesting in the US - the Democrats and the Republicans. Both presidential candidates come from these two parties.

Do you mean "candidates with a realistic chance of winning?"

Even so, as things stand now I'm not voting for Kerry. He has done NOTHING to convince me that it'll be a vote any better spent than on one of the third parties, where I can (hopefully) tailor their views to match my own.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-06-23 02:29am

The way I see it, Kerry is a politician. Therefore he is, by definition, a liar, a crook, and a general all-around scumbag. But he's not a monster, and he's not a maniac, which makes him a whole lot better than Bush.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-23 02:42am

Do you mean "candidates with a realistic chance of winning?"

Are there smaller candidates with no chance winning who also contest but we the people in other countries dont hear of them ?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-23 02:48am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Do you mean "candidates with a realistic chance of winning?"
Are there smaller candidates with no chance winning who also contest but we the people in other countries dont hear of them ?

Yes. Yes there are. Hundreds, in fact. I shit you not. Most of them are running as true independents (and are mostly nutjobs) and will only get a handful of votes. However, there are organized third parties (Libertarian, Green, Constitution Party) that actually pull a sizeable number of votes, just not enough to win. George Washington was not a member of any political party, and there is no provision in law that says that the President must come from one of two major parties. That's just the way public opinion falls all the time.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-23 02:57am

Oh, and since I specifically mentioned them above...

DON'T VOTE FOR THE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU VALUE YOUR FREEDOM TO EXPRESS/NOT EXPRESS RELIGION AS YOU CHOOSE AND/OR THINK THAT STATES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HOLD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HOSTAGE AGAINST ITSELF THROUGH SECESSION.

Okay, warning given...

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-23 03:08am

Fascinating.. Check out the Constitution Party's platform..

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

Man.. talk about fundie party

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-23 03:13am

They are like... Libertarians with a religious bent... and on drugs...

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-23 03:14am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:They are like... Libertarians with a religious bent... and on drugs...

Not the good kind of drugs either. ::SNOOOOORT::

WHAT? damn ninjas..

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-23 03:36am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:They are like... Libertarians with a religious bent... and on drugs...

Their Platform wrote:Drug Abuse

The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions in appropriate cases with application of the death penalty. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.

You were saying?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-06-23 03:52am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:They are like... Libertarians with a religious bent... and on drugs...

Their Platform wrote:Drug Abuse

The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions in appropriate cases with application of the death penalty. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.
You were saying?

Well, whatever they're smoking... uh... I don't want some of it.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-23 03:58am

DEATH PENALTY FOR DRUG USE? lmfao.. good thing the Constitution Party is irrelevant, huh?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-23 03:59am

Crazy: The problem is that theyre NOT smoking it.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-06-23 04:28am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:They are like... Libertarians with a religious bent... and on drugs...

Their Platform wrote:Drug Abuse

The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions in appropriate cases with application of the death penalty. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.
You were saying? :P

Just because you're on drugs doesn't mean you can't still be against them. Just look at Rush Limbaugh.

Ah, the joys of hypocricy...

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-06-23 09:22am

Shep's off-topic Reagan-fapping has been removed.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-23 09:32am

. So, if anyone has any John Kerry sightings they wish to discuss, where he reveals his plans for the future of America, please post them here.

Well, one thing that to me seem indicative of the man was in the MTV Chose or Lose interveiw that I happened to catch part of it took the interveiwer the interveiwer several pointed questions simply to get Kerry to admit that he supported civil unions with gays. And when asked why he supported a half measure, he just ignored the point made.

That for me characterizes him and reveals a lot about his lack of principles.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-06-23 11:14am

whta exactly are the libertarians?

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2004-06-23 11:19am

kojikun wrote:Fascinating.. Check out the Constitution Party's platform..

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

Man.. talk about fundie party

I know someone who is voting for them anyway, due to his libertarian stance except on the issue with drugs. He does dislike the religious component though.