How would *You* fight the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-06-21 03:42pm

White Haven wrote:you'd think those fools had never heard of peace through superior firepower.

Kind of amusing given that the Old Republic, according to the ANH novelisation, was utterly immune to attack from outside, and presumably kept some serious naval forces.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-06-21 07:55pm

Regarding the Jedi, I would tell Skywalker to fuck himself and get the Jedi to the front lines, and training front-line soldiers, as quickly as possible. I would give them all the resources they asked for, on the condition that they utterly destroy the YV.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-06-21 09:46pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Regarding the Jedi, I would tell Skywalker to fuck himself and get the Jedi to the front lines, and training front-line soldiers, as quickly as possible. I would give them all the resources they asked for, on the condition that they utterly destroy the YV.

Jedi technique and ability are not really applicable to front-line troops. A few Jedi "spec ops" teams are possible, but that's about it. Personally, I'd officially sanction Kyp's "Dozen".

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-06-21 11:11pm

Jedi technique and ability are not really applicable to front-line troops.

Jacen Solo schooled YV commanders with his battle-coordination technique, and having Jedi play such roles on important capital ships seems to be a winning tactic.

A few Jedi "spec ops" teams are possible, but that's about it.

Sure. I'd take those, too, with Jedi who weren't very good with Force-coordination, and for truly war-altering missions.

Personally, I'd officially sanction Kyp's "Dozen".

Yeah, and I would get more groups like them together. Even if Jedi only train them and then move on to other units, it would still be better than Luke "Let's Watch the YV run all over this Galaxy before doing Shit" Skywalker's ideas regarding the strategic importance of Jedi.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-06-22 06:38am

It realy depends on what kind of authority I have and more specificaly what kind of actions I can get away with before the senate or populace decide to kick me out of office.

NOW if I have a preaty much blank cheque then its time to get to business. Frankly I'd let the incidents go as they did for the first few months. Let poor Elegos try his peace mission, then have his body sent back like it was.

At the same time however, I'd have NRI working with the Jedi as much as possible to gather intelegence on what is going on. Who the Vong are, what their technology and abilities are, e.t.c. I don't see exactly how we can force the Jedi to use a certian mindset. The best thing I think is to have the right people say the right things to Skywalker. Hell even reveiling what *I* know about the Vong to him may well get him on the right path. That the Vong do exist in the force, though they have had their ability to touch it removed from them. That alone appears to have solved 90% of the Jedis problems.

At the same time, I've been quietly making perperations to move the economy onto a total war footing. Not the slightly increased production we've seen until the Vong penetrated the Core but REAL all out Jhiad style production.

Then when Elegos comes back and Ithor is toasted (and yes I'd let that happen after securing the pollen) I'd use all these events to whip up such a frenzy of outrage and anger through the Galaxy that no possible peace would be sought. Extort the sacrifices of the NRDF and Jedi and Elegos, none of the BS 'The Jedi destroyed Ithor!' that happeend in the real universe.
This way the Peace Brigade don't become a threat, because instead of having a large deal of popular support they get turned on by the Galaxy.

At this point I then kick industry over to high gear. I'm talking Imperial levels here. Mass production of the NR's biggest and badest ships. I'd have all worlds in the path of the invasion start their own constuction efforts including enough passive and active defences to force multiply any fleet sent to it. And make the Vong have to expand far more resources.

Evacuation of populations along the way will be given a secondery concern. While I want to do it, I simply dobut the NR has the shipping to make it possible. If it can be done or at least large portions be done, then do it with ORGANISATION. Don't simlpy dump the refugees one set of worlds back. Settle other worlds and lightly inhabited worlds on the FAR side of the Galaxy. You have MASSIVE manpower here, USE it to build up new worlds long away from the Vong. Everyone who is left behind will as much as possible be of fighting age and trained for it. Similar to the USSR in WW2. Every fucking person gets a rifle and lesson on exactly what the Vong will do if we loose. We will make them pay for every INCH of space.

At the same time as we're rapidly expanding the fleet, use masses of droid and remote ships to harras the Vong supply lines. Use hyperspace flotilas to constently sweep the hyperspace routes and make sure they are clear of any vong doval basil interdictor/skip duos.

Slip as many mass droid units into their rear areas as possible. Priority targets are their worldships. If they target our population, we're sure as all hell going to target THEIRS. While the majorty of the NR fleet will be trying to simply stop their advance cold, a couple of strong units will be performing hit and hype raids on their rear areas where they have started to set up shipyarsd and shipwoombs. This early on they are still being established somewhat, BDZ the planets to all hell. It is exactly what the procedure was desigend for. Deny the planet for their industrial use and they will start to run out of ships before long.

Then a year or so later when we have a massive and well trained fleet, we start to roll them back. We wipe them out with the liberal use of droids and disposable attack units which are being produced at astonishing rates. We push them out of the worlds they have taken, then eventualy corner them and anihilate them.

Then just because we can, we turn and wipe out the Empire and finish THAT war as well

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-06-22 01:14pm

Rumors of the YV reaches my ears I send out Luke and the other Jedis what kind of trouble makers they are. At this early state we wont know how much of a threat the YV are, but once the level of threat has been establish, a mass ship building program begins at all NR shipyards and try to gather as many allies as possible in this fight, especially the Imperial Remnant.

Start mining hyperspace routes, try to evacuate as many worlds as possible that lies in the YV's path of invasion. Divide the the NR fleet in two parts, one for defensive one for offensive operations. The fleet with offensive operations is to be divided into small combat groups of probably a dozen ships each, made up by support ships, carriers and battlecruisers, send to them to harras the enemy behind their lines, weaking and slowing their shipbuilding programs down while NR fleet is growing from the small 5 000 ships to a number closer to 50 000, with little help by anti YV propoganda to get the public angry seeing the YV killing innocent people would probably give the navy the manpower they need as we are waking people's patriotism to the NR and to the galaxy to go eradicate the YV. As the YV is becoming a greater threat as closer to the core worlds they get, then more power I get from the senate, and as I get more power I dissolve the senate, so they can't prevent me from doing what must be done. And after sex months of using hit and run tactics against the YV invasion by the now small offensive fleet and using their invasion as an excuse to get more absolute power and building up a massive war fleet I now launch my first wave of warships against them, retake systems NR has lost, using superior firepower and numbers at my advantage I will eventually wear them down and wont stop until I have totally eradicate them from the face of the galaxy, and that is the second phase of the war and it probably wont last more then sex months by that time my fleet will probably over 100 000 strong. When all the systems retaken and no signs of any more YV ships then the hunt on YV remnants begins. Then the real fun starts as the NR government will pay large bountys per YV head dead or alive to anyone who can capture one. So every mercenary or bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking and hunt the few survivors down, one by one till there is no one left. Sweet revenge.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-06-22 10:52pm

NecronLord wrote:
Kind of amusing given that the Old Republic, according to the ANH novelisation, was utterly immune to attack from outside, and presumably kept some serious naval forces.

They did. However, that naval force was totally immobile and too short range, plus it was controlled by sector authorities, not the centralised Republic government.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-06-23 07:50pm

Would anyone use Alpha Red, or was that disallowed in the OP?

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2004-06-23 09:12pm

Biological and Chemical weapons are allowed. The only things that are banned are your usual Galaxy Guns, Centerpoint stations, and other Deuce Ex Machinas of the SW Galaxy. If you want to turn the Yuuzhan Vong invasion into a World War I on a Galactic Scale, go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-06-23 10:31pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Would anyone use Alpha Red, or was that disallowed in the OP?

I would, as soon as I had the stuff. It's the wonder-weapon.

BTW, I found the "moral dilemma" inserted in the end of the book-arc to be retarded beyond belief. They find out that it's hurting the obscure but nominally interesting insect species, so they decide that releasing Alpha Red might have been a bad thing. Never mind the fact that the casualty count is:

Yuuzhan Vong (who are deliberately and systematically attempting to wipe out all life in the galaxy, including the obscure but nominally interesting insect species)

Insect species.

What a great moral dilemma.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-06-23 10:51pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Would anyone use Alpha Red, or was that disallowed in the OP?
I would, as soon as I had the stuff. It's the wonder-weapon.

BTW, I found the "moral dilemma" inserted in the end of the book-arc to be retarded beyond belief. They find out that it's hurting the obscure but nominally interesting insect species, so they decide that releasing Alpha Red might have been a bad thing. Never mind the fact that the casualty count is:

Yuuzhan Vong (who are deliberately and systematically attempting to wipe out all life in the galaxy, including the obscure but nominally interesting insect species)

Insect species.

What a great moral dilemma.

I think the point was the insect species was indeginous to the SW Galaxy, thus heightening the fear of potential 'blow back'.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2004-06-23 10:52pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Would anyone use Alpha Red, or was that disallowed in the OP?
I would, as soon as I had the stuff. It's the wonder-weapon.

BTW, I found the "moral dilemma" inserted in the end of the book-arc to be retarded beyond belief. They find out that it's hurting the obscure but nominally interesting insect species, so they decide that releasing Alpha Red might have been a bad thing. Never mind the fact that the casualty count is:

Yuuzhan Vong (who are deliberately and systematically attempting to wipe out all life in the galaxy, including the obscure but nominally interesting insect species)

Insect species.

What a great moral dilemma.

A couple Galactic Federation of Free Alliance Spec ops released the stuff on a World the Vong occupied in the Cooperate sector. Both Han and Leia were horrified that the Alliance would do this. The officers argued that the World Brain needed to be taken out so the Alliance could begin counteroffensives elsewhere. Safe to say both Han and Leia failed to see the pragmatism behind the release of Alpha Red.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-06-23 10:56pm

How would I fight the YV? Well de-pussify the military would be a start, after all if they fail to contain the Vong, I effectively am out of a job.

Censor the media, limit the informaiton they recieve. Show them all the terrible things the Vong do to our worlds, our citizens, etc. But don't show them our military actually firing through 'native' shields. Might report it us 'un-necessary' with 'great regret' but definetly don't show it.

Increase military spending, and especially suck up to major industrialised systems. After all the senator from Kuat has only as much power as Kuat gives her, if I start ordering massive military hardware from Kuat, do you think she'll turn traitor with the amount of money flowing into here coffers?

Start a massive re-armourment movement. Imagine having 100 worlds making droid armies at the rate we saw on Genenosis? Crappy soldiers, or not crappy soldiers, the sheer weight of numbers will stem the YV for a long time.

Boost fleet strength. And protection measures around planets.

That's all for now.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-06-23 11:32pm

Simple. Flood the invasion corridor with ships.

The Vong arrived peicemeal, the Republic could have picked them off battlegroup at a time EASILY.

But instead they insisted it wasn't a big deal, let's just sit around and see if it gets worse. It did.

No, first, recon until you learn how to combat those gravity wells. Then send everything in, BDZ Helska and that @#!$ Yammosk, and BDZ the worldships. Smash the Vong as hard as you can with 1000+ ships, and reinforce every sector fleet by triple in that area with more standing by.

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-06-24 06:28am

Praxis wrote:Then send everything in, BDZ Helska and that @#!$ Yammosk,

Presuming this is post-Vector Prime, Helska and the Yammosk are gone.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-06-24 01:21pm

I was talking about from the beginning...
Anyway, if we start from Dark Tide, I'd say the moment Shedao Shai and his buddies came in, smash them with a few hundred Star Destroyers...

technomage · Post by **technomage** » 2004-06-24 04:14pm

Y'know, I can't even bring myself to consider NJO to be a part of the SW universe. In the real SWverse, Fey'lya wouldn't have gotten elected, NRI would have infiltrated the Peace Brigade and other traitorous elements (read: Senators) from the beginning, and the NR's response to the first reports of Vong incursion would have been reconnaisance in *force*, followed by analysis of the Vong threat and an appropriate response, meaning a small localized military buildup that annihilated the Vong as they entered the galaxy.

The Galactic Civil War only officially ended a few years before. Most of the galaxy remembers the Old Republic, and lived through the Empire and the Civil War. This civilization is not incompetant in the arts of war, and is not generally blind to reality.

The NJO simply isn't possible. Skywalker is not such an idiot. Between their medical technology and the Force, Mara Jade shouldn't even have been vulnerable to that disease. New Republic Intelligence is an extremely capable and competant organization. The military knows how to crush a threat early. If their idea of war includes blasting planets to steaming moonscapes, then they aren't going to lose a moment's sleep over a bunch of insects.

The Star Wars saga ends with Union. It's a story about the conflict of the Light Side and the Dark Side, of the Empire vs. the Republic, and of the Skywalker family.

Unrealistic aliens form another universe just don't fit.

technomage · Post by **technomage** » 2004-06-24 04:19pm

I correct my final statement: Unrealistic and fucking stupid aliens *from* somewhere else in the universe just don't fit.

The NJO just isn't Star Wars.

Barbatis · Post by **Barbatis** » 2004-06-29 11:51pm

NJO is an awsome series. Hell they kill off two of the best SW characters in the series but think of all the battle tactics you have to come up with to fight the Vong.

How I would defeat the Vong

Best step and simplist give the military all the support it needs to do what has to be done.

Also reffering to the NRI and them infiltrating the Peace Brigade they did. but couldnt get to the highest levels to do serious damge.

Put out massive amounts of grants for ship tech and such.

Ask everyone i can for help they can provide. And activate all retierd NRM personel.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-06-29 11:57pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:At this point I then kick industry over to high gear. I'm talking Marina levels here. Mass production of the NR's biggest and badest ships. I'd have all worlds in the path of the invasion start their own constuction efforts including enough passive and active defences to force multiply any fleet sent to it. And make the Vong have to expand far more resources.

Fixed that for you

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-30 12:53am

NecronLord wrote:
White Haven wrote:you'd think those fools had never heard of peace through superior firepower.
Kind of amusing given that the Old Republic, according to the ANH novelisation, was utterly immune to attack from outside, and presumably kept some serious naval forces.

The Old Republic's naval resources were considerable; the Senate simply did not have control over them.

Consider that the Trade Federation carrier fleet in a political blockade over Naboo outmassed what Spectre of the Past claimed was the tonnage of the entire Imperial Starfleet's complement of Star Destroyers. Also consider that the major industrial, affluent, and Coreward sectors maintained large armadas for defensive and offensive regional-range purposes on the scale of the Imperial Starfleet's largest vessels. Consider that all Sectors maintained Senate-sponsored Regional and Planetary Defense Forces with smaller but numerous vessels.

Haze Gray · Post by **Haze Gray** » 2004-06-30 12:47pm

Consider that the Trade Federation carrier fleet in a political blockade over Naboo outmassed what Spectre of the Past claimed was the tonnage of the entire Imperial Starfleet's complement of Star Destroyers.

It was a large fleet of freighters. Freighters frequently outmass many warships.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-06-30 01:19pm

Haze Gray wrote:
Consider that the Trade Federation carrier fleet in a political blockade over Naboo outmassed what Spectre of the Past claimed was the tonnage of the entire Imperial Starfleet's complement of Star Destroyers.

It was a large fleet of freighters. Freighters frequently outmass many warships.

Freighters outfitted into semi-capable warships. And the incident was deemed to be nothing more then a minor dispute and the Republic sent a single Jedi with his aprentice. Certainly the total size of the TF's entire fleet is larger.

Barbatis · Post by **Barbatis** » 2004-06-30 04:20pm

The TF fleet was more than likely a lot bigger. If they were that promimnet of a trade orginization they had to be able to defend against pirates and such.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-06-30 04:30pm

One thing I really find hard to swallow in NJO is the attitudes of former rebel characters. They've just fought a total war against a massive, hostile military force, endured many sacrifices...one would REALLY think that by now the people who lived through the Rebellion would be the ones who understood how to make hard decisions that need to be made. (This comment mainly concerning Alpha Red). Next option ties into that, a way to brutally maul YV attack forces. If your entire planetary population is going to be either slaughtered if they're lucky, or captured and tortured and THEN slaughtered if they're not...seed worlds in the way of the YV attack with fusion bombs. Evac who you can, of course, and then say 'Go on...invade.'

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How would You fight the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion?