God and Logic: empty-headed nonsense
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God and Logic: empty-headed nonsense
Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?
This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:
"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?
Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.
Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."
Good enough?
This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:
"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?
Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.
Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."
Good enough?
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I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
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Re: God and Logic: empty-headed nonsense
Who says Santa Claus has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not logical? Therefore, the fact that Santa Claus is an irrational belief should not be used to conclude that he does not exist, correct?Vympel wrote:Anonymous Creationweb idiot wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?
Logic is simply a means of ensuring that when someone says "A therefore B" that A really does lead to B. That's all it does. So whenever someone says "A therefore B" and simultaneously denies the validity of logic, he is lying. Any time someone uses the word "therefore" without recognizing logic, he is lying.This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:
"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?
Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
I would add "so you admit that your belief system is completely irrational. I graciously accept your admission of logical defeat".If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.
Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."
Good enough?
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Yes. For both of the logins that I tried.Andrew J. wrote:Did you receive the account activation e-mail?verilon wrote:I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
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Guess they must have banned you pre-emptively.verilon wrote:Yes. For both of the logins that I tried.Andrew J. wrote:Did you receive the account activation e-mail?verilon wrote:I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
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Re: God and Logic: empty-headed nonsense
Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not.How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?Vympel wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?
This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:
"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?
Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.
Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."
Good enough?
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Order = logic. Your own reasoning skills show this. How can man define what God is? It's the same thing as you asking hoe to define logic.Priesto wrote:Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not.How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?Vympel wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?
This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:
"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?
Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.
Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."
Good enough?
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verilon wrote:Order = logic. Your own reasoning skills show this. How can man define what God is? It's the same thing as you asking hoe to define logic.Priesto wrote:Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not.How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?Vympel wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?
This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:
"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?
Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.
Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."
Good enough?
Man can't understand what GOD IS in general,that's an individual quest.Most knowledge given to man is from God, God gave us reasoning skills to make choices.God's thinking is not ours,that's sayed in the Bible.
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True this, it is not necessary that man knows exactly what logic is, either. But knowledge is NOT given by God; knowledge is given by parents. And even then, knowledge wasn't given to Adam and Eve by God (unless you want to go roundabout), it was given to them by the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.Priesto wrote:Man can't understand what GOD IS in general,that's an individual quest.Most knowledge given to man is from God, God gave us reasoning skills to make choices.God's thinking is not ours,that's sayed in the Bible.
Jesus is the physical manifestation of God for us, but I think you've heard enough of me.
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I'm not sure if this was one point with intended support or five half-points with nothing of value.Priesto wrote:Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not. How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?
1) Why do you say that everything is not logical? As far as I can tell, there is a logical *explanation* for everything in the world. Even if someone thinks or does something illogical, there's still a logical (albeit often psychological or medical) reason that they said/did it.
2) Why in the name of all piss and vinegar are you suggesting that people with limited knowledge of the universe are unable to define logic? I'm going to graciously assume, however, that you meant to suggest that without knowing everything, we cannot form logical explanations for everything. 'So?' would be the appropriate answer to that point, followed by, 'and if we don't have the knowledge or know how to detect, measure, or monitor your god or his activities, how do you conclude that we can rationalize his existance? On the word of a few uneducated peasants from an illiterate, semi-unimportant nation two millennia and more gone? Or are you just saying that you have no choice but to flounder around in a cushioning morass of illogical beliefs while martyring yourself to the mockery from the rest of us?'
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Aren't those questions themselves illogical?Yogi wrote:Can God make a circle with eight corners? A rock so heavy that he can't lift it?
And what is the point of using logic to explain a being that exists on another level altogether? I know that sounds like a copout and I will get raosted, but it is true. Think about it. when we are kids, we don't understand everything our parents do. A lot of times we think "they just like being mean" or "they don't love me". The truth was, they were doing something good for us( in most cases) that we didn't even realize. As we get older, we get deeper insight to the meaning of their actions. Just like as humans evolve, we get deeper insight into God's plan.
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Notice how he doesn't reply to this...verilon wrote:True this, it is not necessary that man knows exactly what logic is, either. But knowledge is NOT given by God; knowledge is given by parents. And even then, knowledge wasn't given to Adam and Eve by God (unless you want to go roundabout), it was given to them by the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.Priesto wrote:Man can't understand what GOD IS in general,that's an individual quest.Most knowledge given to man is from God, God gave us reasoning skills to make choices.God's thinking is not ours,that's sayed in the Bible.
Jesus is the physical manifestation of God for us, but I think you've heard enough of me.
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