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God and Logic: empty-headed nonsense

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Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?

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This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:

"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?

Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.

If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.

Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."

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I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
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Vympel wrote:
Anonymous Creationweb idiot wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?
Who says Santa Claus has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not logical? Therefore, the fact that Santa Claus is an irrational belief should not be used to conclude that he does not exist, correct? :roll:
This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:

"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?

Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.
Logic is simply a means of ensuring that when someone says "A therefore B" that A really does lead to B. That's all it does. So whenever someone says "A therefore B" and simultaneously denies the validity of logic, he is lying. Any time someone uses the word "therefore" without recognizing logic, he is lying.
If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.

Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."

Good enough?
I would add "so you admit that your belief system is completely irrational. I graciously accept your admission of logical defeat".
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verilon wrote:I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
Did you receive the account activation e-mail?
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verilon wrote:I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
Did you receive the account activation e-mail?
Yes. For both of the logins that I tried.
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verilon wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:
verilon wrote:I dunno. It's kinda confusing me...also, I can't login to creationweb for soem reason...I registered and haven t even DOEN anything yet and I can't login..any ideas why?
Did you receive the account activation e-mail?
Yes. For both of the logins that I tried.
Guess they must have banned you pre-emptively.
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How the hell does that happen? I tried logging in AS SOON AS I REGISTERED!!!
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What does it say when you try to login?
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You have specified an incorrect or inactive username or an invalid password

WITH the pass that was in the email for activation!!!
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Try again. If it says that you have been banned.....
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problem is...ive tried about six times now...
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*kicks creationweb* It still won't let me log in...
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Erm ... don't you specify your OWN password?

That's what I did.
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Yes...it was the pass I specified...but it won't let me in!!!
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verilon wrote:Yes...it was the pass I specified...but it won't let me in!!!
It's strange, but not necessarily their fault. A while ago the same thing happened to a member here. I don't believe it's their fault, as it only happened to you and they are accepting members normally
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*Sigh* I guess its just the comp I'm on...
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Vympel wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?

:roll:

This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:

"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?

Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.

If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.

Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."

Good enough?
Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not.How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?
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Priesto wrote:
Vympel wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?

:roll:

This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:

"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?

Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.

If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.

Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."

Good enough?
Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not.How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?
Order = logic. Your own reasoning skills show this. How can man define what God is? It's the same thing as you asking hoe to define logic.
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verilon wrote:
Priesto wrote:
Vympel wrote:Who says God has to conform to some human definition of what is, and what is not, logical?

:roll:

This statement was made several weeks ago by the moderator on the creationweb board. Upon reading it, I gagged, and responded thusly:

"Quick question. What do you mean the 'human definition' of what is, an isn't, logical?

Logic is basic, self-evident, and necessarily true.

If God tries to make an argument and uses his conclusion as a premise, it's still illogical.

Are you saying that because God is God he can make the illogical ... logical? Sounds like a "God works in mysterious ways" cop-out."

Good enough?
Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not.How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?
Order = logic. Your own reasoning skills show this. How can man define what God is? It's the same thing as you asking hoe to define logic.


Man can't understand what GOD IS in general,that's an individual quest.Most knowledge given to man is from God, God gave us reasoning skills to make choices.God's thinking is not ours,that's sayed in the Bible. :roll:
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Priesto wrote:Man can't understand what GOD IS in general,that's an individual quest.Most knowledge given to man is from God, God gave us reasoning skills to make choices.God's thinking is not ours,that's sayed in the Bible. :roll:
Jesus is the physical manifestation of God for us, but I think you've heard enough of me. :wink:
True this, it is not necessary that man knows exactly what logic is, either. But knowledge is NOT given by God; knowledge is given by parents. And even then, knowledge wasn't given to Adam and Eve by God (unless you want to go roundabout), it was given to them by the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.
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Priesto wrote:Just a quick point, everything in this world is not "logical". You make it seem as if man has full understanding of the world, which he does not. How can man with limited knowledge define logic as a whole? The mechanics of the way we see things is so man can form conclusions and think for himself, if things were not in an order, how can we then form fact or gain knowledge?
I'm not sure if this was one point with intended support or five half-points with nothing of value.

1) Why do you say that everything is not logical? As far as I can tell, there is a logical *explanation* for everything in the world. Even if someone thinks or does something illogical, there's still a logical (albeit often psychological or medical) reason that they said/did it.

2) Why in the name of all piss and vinegar are you suggesting that people with limited knowledge of the universe are unable to define logic? I'm going to graciously assume, however, that you meant to suggest that without knowing everything, we cannot form logical explanations for everything. 'So?' would be the appropriate answer to that point, followed by, 'and if we don't have the knowledge or know how to detect, measure, or monitor your god or his activities, how do you conclude that we can rationalize his existance? On the word of a few uneducated peasants from an illiterate, semi-unimportant nation two millennia and more gone? Or are you just saying that you have no choice but to flounder around in a cushioning morass of illogical beliefs while martyring yourself to the mockery from the rest of us?'
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Yogi wrote:Can God make a circle with eight corners? A rock so heavy that he can't lift it?
Aren't those questions themselves illogical?

And what is the point of using logic to explain a being that exists on another level altogether? I know that sounds like a copout and I will get raosted, but it is true. Think about it. when we are kids, we don't understand everything our parents do. A lot of times we think "they just like being mean" or "they don't love me". The truth was, they were doing something good for us( in most cases) that we didn't even realize. As we get older, we get deeper insight to the meaning of their actions. Just like as humans evolve, we get deeper insight into God's plan.
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verilon wrote:
Priesto wrote:Man can't understand what GOD IS in general,that's an individual quest.Most knowledge given to man is from God, God gave us reasoning skills to make choices.God's thinking is not ours,that's sayed in the Bible. :roll:
Jesus is the physical manifestation of God for us, but I think you've heard enough of me. :wink:
True this, it is not necessary that man knows exactly what logic is, either. But knowledge is NOT given by God; knowledge is given by parents. And even then, knowledge wasn't given to Adam and Eve by God (unless you want to go roundabout), it was given to them by the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.
Notice how he doesn't reply to this...
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God either exists, or he does not. I've little tolerance for those who try to straddle the fence. The Bible is either the Word of God, or it is a book of lies -- It cannot be both. Jesus is either the Son of God, or he was a lunatic and a liar -- He cannot be both. Pick a side. Choose. My choice is plain for all to see.
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