What is your political alignment?

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2004-06-26 06:50am

Funny that the political compass should be mentioned... I too find it a Far supperior system for saying where you lie in politics so I went out and looked for a site that dealt with it.

And so here are my results for the test, Note that this is the second time I have taken the test, once in my First Year of my Degree as a way for the lecturer to make us under stand the bias we have in life. It's a pity this is not the same test, with the same questions because had it been I'd have been able to get a clearer picture of any changes in my beliefs as it is, I think I am drifting further Left and further Libertarianexcellent the old idea that as you get older you get more conservative hasn't yet came true for me.

My Results

The test Well not exactly this is the home page for the Test it explains some of the background to the test etc, but you have to follow the links to get to the actual test, anyway I will be very interested in seeing what people take from the test.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2004-06-26 06:53am

Damnit Well the link for my results dosn't actually SHOW my results on it just a blank page, I apologise to everyone. It would appear that this site won't show our results as something we can link too... I am going to see if I can find somewhere that will.

Sokartawi · Post by **Sokartawi** » 2004-06-26 07:09am

What do anarchists belong to?

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2004-06-26 07:13am

Depends, Anarchism is usually related to the left wing, (A Very Strong Left-Libertarien on the Compass would be a Anarchist as most people understand them) But the philosophy of Anarchism has been a Right Wing one as well...

So it wouold depend upon your own interpretation of the ideology I suspect. (Which is good... after all it is Anarchy

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Sokartawi · Post by **Sokartawi** » 2004-06-26 07:21am

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
On that test.

To me, the job of the state is to provide and fund public things, such as power&water, transportation, infrastructure, healthcare, education, things that should be non-profit.

Besides that they must not interfere with citizens. But companies should be closely watched, since they are based on greed and are not likely to do things that are in the best interest of the population. And the first thing that needs to go would be patents on medicine and software.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2004-06-26 07:30am

Heh good idea Sokartawi... so here are my results. (The other Political Compass pages I found where... weak to say the least.)

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-06-26 08:06am

Left-wing in social issues, centrist in economic issues, by Finnish standards that is. However I am somewhat conservative on some issues, namely immigration and firearm legislation.

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2004-06-26 08:14am

Economic Left/Right: 8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05

I expected the economic side of things, but the social side was a surprise. I was certain I'd be more libertarian.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-06-26 08:23am

Your political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05

Just about where I expected to be.

Post by **Coyote** » 2004-06-26 09:04am

Extreme Centrist, due to similar reasons mentioned already.

Some people try to call me Libertarian, but the lack of a consistent, cohesive stance on just exactly what it is that Libertarians stand for leaves me out of that circle.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-06-26 09:20am

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.59

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-06-26 11:15am

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

Funny. I always thought my alignment was Lawful Evil.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-06-26 11:15am

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

Excellent site Skelron thanks for posting it

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-26 11:54am

Plekhanov wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Seggybop wrote: When I think 'extreme right wing,' I think more of fascists than I do of libertarians. This is a pretty useless scale....
Fascists are actually leftist. More government control of the economy. The only difference between it and communism is that the business had nominal ownership.
Don’t try and right off everything you dislike as left wing.

Fascists are not leftist they are capitalists and in favour of authoritarian social control they are on the extreme right.

In Nazi germany, the government was able to abolish the property rights of citizens, and larger industries were told what to produce. I would consider that leftist, because of the ability of the government to directly control the economy.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-26 12:00pm

Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-06-26 12:01pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:In Nazi germany, the government was able to abolish the property rights of citizens, and larger industries were told what to produce. I would consider that leftist, because of the ability of the government to directly control the economy.

The key distinction between what the Nazis did and what Socialism and other leftist economic theories propose is that the Nazis siezed the means of production for the benefit of the state, as opposed to the benefit of the people.

Any authoritarian government is going to behave in essentially the same way, the only difference is in their motivation and goals.

EDIT:
If you're trying to propose that the Nazis were actually leftist because of their economic policies, then you're a goddam fool.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-06-26 12:31pm

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

However I imagine if it factored in my views on foreign policy and had a few more economic questions, I would end up being centrist, with perhaps some leftist tendencies.

Incidentally, can someone explain to me what "plant genetic resources" are? Are they the genes of plants, or what?

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-06-26 12:41pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Incidentally, can someone explain to me what "plant genetic resources" are? Are they the genes of plants, or what?

I think that means companies patenting the genes of plants that have been used by indigenous peoples for thousands of years.

For example a few years ago a company tried to patent turmeric and it’s medical uses. Indian peasants have been using turmeric as a medicine for a very long time and the company was blatantly attempting to patent their “folk medicine” IIRC the Indian fought the patent and won. Patents successfully being contested is rather unusual in this kind of case though as far as I’m aware.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-06-26 12:49pm

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95

More or less where I suspected, particularly. Friedman and his cronies aren't my cup of tea, exactly.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-06-26 12:54pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:In Nazi germany,

Your original claim was that “Fascists are actually leftist” not National Socialists who are economically to the left of most other fascists. Either way you are wrong neither Fascists nor Nazis are “leftist”

the government was able to abolish the property rights of citizens,

Which citizens? When did it do this?

and larger industries were told what to produce.

Oh you mean the large privately owned, profit making industries

I would consider that leftist, because of the ability of the government to directly control the economy.

And which government’s back then didn’t feel bound to exercise some control of their economy during the great depression and then in WWII?

Hitler may be to the left of you on economic policy that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s leftwing, just in case you haven’t noticed you are quite far to the right on economic policy and you emphatically do not define the centre ground. Every model I’ve seen including the one you just posted your result on places Hitler on the moderate right to centre ground as far as economic policy goes.

Even if he was slightly to the left economically it is still insane to claim that Hitler was “leftist” because to do so ignores his social policy, which most reasonable people tend to think was of rather more significance than his economic policy and on social policy there are few further to the right than Hitler.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-26 01:08pm

Your original claim was that “Fascists are actually leftist” not National Socialists who are economically to the left of most other fascists. Either way you are wrong neither Fascists nor Nazis are “leftist”

Hitler took his ques from Benito, National socialism is a form of fascism

Which citizens? When did it do this?

Every Jewish citizen, in both germany AND Italy. Also, it would confiscate property from dissidents. WHile the motivations are different from a classical leftist, the government control over individual property puts them squarly in the left.

Oh you mean the large privately owned, profit making industries

They made a profit yes, but they did not have control over their production.

Even if he was slightly to the left economically it is still insane to claim that Hitler was “leftist” because to do so ignores his social policy, which most reasonable people tend to think was of rather more significance than his economic policy and on social policy there are few further to the right than Hitler.

When I referto right/Left I refer only to economic policy.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-06-26 01:17pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.59

Got to thinking about the poll and re did it, it appears that I misunderstood or misread a few of the questions. New results:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2004-06-26 01:52pm

Depends... on the one hand I tend to come across as fairly moderate compared to say communists/socialists and the like, particularly in everyday conversation, on the other hand I'm ideologically socialist (just don't think it'll work) and I am in favour of limited nationalisation. I also tend to distrust private companies more than governments. So I guess it depends where you draw the boundries. In the end I decided I was on the more extreme end of 'somewhat left-wing'

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2004-06-26 02:07pm

I’m a members of the Authoritarian Right.

Economic Left/Right: 2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.77

Although I could be considered a radical social liberal (supporting, as I do, gay marriage, Affirmative Action, gay adoption, and early abortion), my inclinations toward accepting religion as a strong element in people’s lives and my open attitude toward government security institutions such as the Patriot Act obviously retards my ratings.

An interesting point about the economic argument, by the way: nations such as South Africa and Israel perfected management of their economic infrastructure in a fashion that can be seen as a throwback closer to Fascist Germany than the United States or the U.S.S.R. In South Africa’s case, for example, state-owned enterprises originally subsidized for fear that private industries wouldn’t grow quickly enough or muster sufficient resources to make effective contributions during the Second World War were eventually made public on the stock market and put under the management of private boards of directors, enjoying a most-favored-business status and maintaining strong ties to the apparatus of the state despite being managed and permitted to market their goods according to a free market system.

The_Nice_Guy · Post by **The_Nice_Guy** » 2004-06-26 02:25pm

My scores:

Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82

Actually, I don't like the two axis model, and I prefer the even more discerning 3 axis model here, using not just social and economic scales, but adding in that of political freedom.
http://alces.sel.uaf.edu/gregg/ns/nsmap.html

If you want to find your classification, you'll have to create your own nation and play for at least a week, factoring in what you prefer to happen.

I tend between Capitalizt and Capitalist Paradise.

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