STGOD 4 OOC Thread

[Hotfoot]

Seems I've been drafted. Crap.

This is insane. You can play against me, but yet you refuse to talk to me on the OOC thread or PMs, because it's "harassment". So I can play, but god forbid I should do anything else but let you have your way, because if I do, it's off to the HoS or I get slammed with Admin action for "harassment", or the thread gets locked again.

[Rogue 9]

Alyrium, that's a hell of a lot of firepower to bring to bear against pirates.

And for that matter, that's a hell of a lot of firepower for pirates to be running around with. Dreadnoughts? Your average pirate ain't interested in a fleet engagement, and ships of the line are overkill for your average merchant convoy.

I had to make it so my fleet doesnt get a complete cakewalk. Besides, they would need a couple ships of the line to hake harder targets like armed merchant cruisers.

That shouldn't take a dreadnought. If someone stuck guns on a merchie in WW2, it still wouldn't take the Missouri to sink it.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Alyrium, that's a hell of a lot of firepower to bring to bear against pirates.

And for that matter, that's a hell of a lot of firepower for pirates to be running around with. Dreadnoughts? Your average pirate ain't interested in a fleet engagement, and ships of the line are overkill for your average merchant convoy.

I had to make it so my fleet doesnt get a complete cakewalk. Besides, they would need a couple ships of the line to hake harder targets like armed merchant cruisers.

That shouldn't take a dreadnought. If someone stuck guns on a merchie in WW2, it still wouldn't take the Missouri to sink it.

Still, just so it isnt a cakewalk...

[Stormbringer]

I didn't refuse to talk to you here, just to continue the arguement (at least not in the OOC thread, I'd be happy to move it to testing or HoS with out prejudice) that was a particularly notable contributer to this train wreck. Feel free to bring up other things here with me if you wish.

The PMs thing was because quiet frankly the conversations with you had long ago become utterly pointless. Simply repeating the same thing with escalating degrees of profantity isn't my idea of a worthwhile conversation and I simply wanted to stop getting them. I told you three times that didn't want to be PMed any more. You didn't listen, what else am I supposed to do?

[frigidmagi]

You know it's silly to shrink a threat and think we're not going to look.

[Marcao]

Still, just so it isnt a cakewalk...

Do you want for someone to take over control of the pirate fleet just so it isn't a cake walk? It doesn't matter what you give them when you are essentially dueling with yourself.

[Alyrium Denryle]

I wouldnt mind... Rogue!?(I like rogues posts better, not so horribly long)

[Hotfoot]

My faith in you as a moderator of this game has been utterly erased, and you have given me zero confidence in your ability to handle this situation properly.

I do not believe you are capable of handling OOC discussion without resorting to the same sort of draconian measures you employed last night, and throwing any and all such further discussion to the Hall of Shame. As such, I will be taking appropriate measures. This is the last I will post about it here. If you wish to speak to me further, you know how to reach me.

[InnocentBystander]

Alyrium you can't honestly believe that the pirates would stay and fight? Nor could you have "snuck" in with around 40% of your navy. These are pirates; they KNOW they are being hunted. They will be on the lookout, and when they see 6 dreadnaughts bearing down on them they'll high tail it out faster than you can shake a stick at.

[Stormbringer]

My faith in you as a moderator of this game has been utterly erased, and you have given me zero confidence in your ability to handle this situation properly.

Sorry to hear that.

I do not believe you are capable of handling OOC discussion without resorting to the same sort of draconian measures you employed last night, and throwing any and all such further discussion to the Hall of Shame.

It's not any OOC discussion so much as it is the pointless arguements. That stuff does not benefit the thread and I'm simply saying that if you want to continue it should be done else where.

As such, I will be taking appropriate measures. This is the last I will post about it here. If you wish to speak to me further, you know how to reach me.

Unless you care to inform me what these appropriate measures are then I don't think there is much to say. I tried to have a civil and productive discussion and what I got was neither. Unless you really do want to talk, then I think we are done.

[frigidmagi]

I say lets have this talk in the open, not hidden somewhere. Hiding discussions is what children do.

And I'd like to say I disagree with it being pointless.

[SirNitram]

The core of the 'pointless' argument was never pointless, it was that Beowulf was pulling stupid shit and holding up the game.

That it's now lowered to threats and such really drops my confidence in you, Stormbringer. I think you need to remember that an STGOD Moderator is a glorified notekeeper, not a tyrant.

[Stormbringer]

The core of the 'pointless' argument was never pointless, it was that Beowulf was pulling stupid shit and holding up the game.

And that's been dealt with. The problem was that I quite simply was and am opposed to allowing Hotfoot to control the out come with out Beowulf's input. The rest of it amounted to accusations that Beowulf was lying about the matter and that was pointless, especially since it wasn't even being carried out by Innocent Bystander.

That it's now lowered to threats and such really drops my confidence in you, Stormbringer. I think you need to remember that an STGOD Moderator is a glorified notekeeper, not a tyrant.

The problem is this game in particular has demanded a lot more than simply note taking. Which it never really was in any of the SD.net games to begin with.

[SirNitram]

The core of the 'pointless' argument was never pointless, it was that Beowulf was pulling stupid shit and holding up the game.

And that's been dealt with. The problem was that I quite simply was and am opposed to allowing Hotfoot to control the out come with out Beowulf's input. The rest of it amounted to accusations that Beowulf was lying about the matter and that was pointless, especially since it wasn't even being carried out by Innocent Bystander.

So instead of ever taking the highroad you'd no doubt like to claim and taking control of his forces, you just heaped in more with the death spiral to help it continue?

That it's now lowered to threats and such really drops my confidence in you, Stormbringer. I think you need to remember that an STGOD Moderator is a glorified notekeeper, not a tyrant.

The problem is this game in particular has demanded a lot more than simply note taking. Which it never really was in any of the SD.net games to begin with.

I do not recall, however, any other moderators having to lock threads, threaten players, and so on.

[Stormbringer]

So instead of ever taking the highroad you'd no doubt like to claim and taking control of his forces, you just heaped in more with the death spiral to help it continue?

I didn't take control of his forces for the simple reason that I was trying to go for note taker you're looking for. And to be honest, because I quite frankly didn't and still don't want to get involved to the degree of playing other people's powers.

I do not recall, however, any other moderators having to lock threads, threaten players, and so on.

And the other STGOD also haven't developed this level of conflict between players either.

[frigidmagi]

The rest of it amounted to accusations that Beowulf was lying about the matter

Post proof of that.

Because I remember folks asking why he didn't post that he was in the airforce in the OOC thread, has we cannot be expected to know everything about everyone here.

[SirNitram]

So instead of ever taking the highroad you'd no doubt like to claim and taking control of his forces, you just heaped in more with the death spiral to help it continue?

I didn't take control of his forces for the simple reason that I was trying to go for note taker you're looking for. And to be honest, because I quite frankly didn't and still don't want to get involved to the degree of playing other people's powers.

This is making it hard to decide which level of incompetence to place first in my estimation. When faced with an obvious problem.. You did nothing. You made no move to do anything. The comment about note-taking was largely to remind you that strongarming with threats like 'I'd be fine to speak with you in the HoS' and 'Harassment' claims, you are, in fact, expected to actually do something when the game suffers.

I speak with good precedent on taking control of another's forces when he's causing the game to suffer. Sixth Imperium vs. Transcend. But that's a little before your time.

[Stormbringer]

The rest of it amounted to accusations that Beowulf was lying about the matter

Post proof of that.

Because I remember folks asking why he didn't post that he was in the airforce in the OOC thread, has we cannot be expected to know everything about everyone here.

You mean aside from the demands for proof of a fact that was mentioned here?

From: InnocentBystander
To: Stormbringer
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: I am at a loss for words

You'll have to forgive me, but at the time it looked like Beowulf was trying to pull a very Lazerus like stunt.

[frigidmagi]

That makes no sense!!!

Laz like stunt means doing something completly retarded in game (stripping an agent of power and memory from what over 2000lys?) and claiming it should work fine and that you're being picked on.

No where does it say. "Yeah I thought Beowuld was lying about his real life."

[Stormbringer]

This is making it hard to decide which level of incompetence to place first in my estimation. When faced with an obvious problem.. You did nothing. You made no move to do anything. The comment about note-taking was largely to remind you that strongarming with threats like 'I'd be fine to speak with you in the HoS' and 'Harassment' claims, you are, in fact, expected to actually do something when the game suffers.

For starters, I did not do nothing. I told Hotfoot in the several nagging PMs he sent prior to that I was hoping to wait since the thread did not require immediate resolution because it had no larger affect at all rather than simply letting Hotfoor do it all himself like he wished. Maybe that was a mistake, but frankly it was done with the intention of trying to give both sides a fair shot.

As for the 'strong arming' that was to end a pointless bickering match that Hotfoot barged his way into despite not being previously involved in. One in which patently false accusations were made. And that basically consisted of "not in this thread." I offered to send it to testing or the hall of shame so as to remove a simple flame war from a thread in which it did not belong.

I speak with good precedent on taking control of another's forces when he's causing the game to suffer. Sixth Imperium vs. Transcend. But that's a little before your time.

Yes, quite simply it is and given that it was never done here I felt it was a patently over bearing solution to the problem, almost as much as letting Hotfoot do it all himself.

[Stormbringer]

That makes no sense!!!

Laz like stunt means doing something completly retarded in game (stripping an agent of power and memory from what over 2000lys?) and claiming it should work fine and that you're being picked on.

No where does it say. "Yeah I thought Beowuld was lying about his real life."

Given that the context of that was the discussion about his real life with no mention of the in-game, that pretty hard to interpret it that way.

[Stormbringer]

Now are we going to debate this endlessly or do some one actually want to play?

[frigidmagi]

Maybe you haven't noticed who's done most of the ingame posting?

However on digging into the matter, before all this shit exploded here's the exchange between Stormbringer and Hotfoot:

Stormbringer wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:
Did he ever finish up that meeting/first contact thing the two of you had going a little while ago? Going by what happened on the game thread, it seems like he left you hanging and never concluded that action, but I don't know what conversations you two might have had via IM or PM.


It was left hanging. Whether intentionally of accidentally I don't know. I think the former.

Hotfoot wrote:
The reason I'm asking is that I'm more than a little concerned that if he didn't finish off that thread with you, it leads me to wonder if he's going to be carrying through many, if any of his actions in the STGOD to their conclusions.

If this is the case, I was wondering if it would be all right with you if I took matters into my own hands and wrapped up the Trade Fair "operation" he got started, and which outcome you think would be acceptable for me to unleash upon him: his ships running away at the first sign of trouble, or my finding and trapping him between the First Battlegroup and Dahak's taskforce, summarily slaughtering his black fleet in the process.

Granted, I'm inclined to give him the first option, since it gives him a chance later on, but I know there are several others who would love to see the second option take place, due to the irritation he has caused through this entire ordeal.


Give him some time. I know he's busy now that's he's joined the Air Force and I think he can only post on the weekends if then. Give it a bit of time for now.

And I can see if he'd like to delegate a second for time critical stuff like this.

How the fuck does 1 PM and 1 Reply mutate into "several nagging post" in your skull? I'll leave it to the players and the viewers to decide if this is nagging, but if it is this is the weakest, quietiest nagging I have ever seen in my damn life!

[Stormbringer]

Again he sent several PMs to me on the subject prior to this. No I don't have them since they were culled out long ago. I said the same thing then that I did in that, that I wasn't going to overrule some one's power and that I'd talk to Beowulf about designating a second.

[Stormbringer]

And quite clearly people would rather harp about this than settle anything. Have fun, let me know when you're done and ready to actually play.