Female Teacher Caught with 14-Year-Old

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-06-29 11:51pm

There has to be something pretty fucking wrong with a teacher that does this. Ignoring the part where it is a kid, doing something like this will destroy the teacher's career if it gets out.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-06-30 12:29am

Lord Poe wrote:Christ, I'd bang that if I had the chance at 14! And I sure as hell wouldn't feel "abused" or "raped" either.

ArmorPierce wrote:Curious, had it been a 14 year old girl with a 23 year old male teacher, would you people's opinion that there's nothing wrong with this?
Much different situation. A male isn't penetrated by a female, and also can't become pregnant. Forgetting the "let's have an open mind" fantasy world, in the REAL world, yes, there's a VERY big difference.

You might find who penetrates whom to be of great personal psychological importance but that fact has no moral significance and I’d hope no legal importance either.

Teenage boys can’t get pregnant so what? If a girl is infertile would it be open season on her for all the horny, manipulative male teachers? Teenage boys can and do still get emotionally fucked up, this isn’t about the risk of pregnancy this is about an adult in loco parentis abusing their position of trust and power to take advantage of child in their care.

What if the accused was old, fat and ugly?

What if she shoved her finger up his ass and “penetrated” him or used a dildo on him?

What if it had been a gay teacher taking advantage of the victim or if the teacher in question had been a lesbian?

If any of the above had been the case would you still have such a blasé attitude?

In short are you really suggesting that the law should apply only to rapists you don’t fancy and who perform sexual acts you don’t like?

Just because most adolescent males are horny and the accused is young and attractive doesn’t mean that it’s ok for her to take advantage for them boys in her care. She was in a position of trust and responsibility and she abused it now she should face the consequences.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-30 12:33am

Rogue 9 wrote:It does, however, say that he gave a description and told the police about it. This is not something you do when you're happy with a person.

It says that their stories were matching. When you get questioned, ofcourse you're going to tell the truth. It doesn't imply any force or persuasion, just truthfulness from the two boys.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-06-30 12:42am

kojikun wrote:When you get questioned, ofcourse you're going to tell the truth.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-30 12:43am

Elfdart wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:I'd hit it
The teacher or the 14-year-old? *
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How about no? You can disclaim all you want, but this is not funny.

kojikun wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:It does, however, say that he gave a description and told the police about it. This is not something you do when you're happy with a person.
It says that their stories were matching. When you get questioned, ofcourse you're going to tell the truth. It doesn't imply any force or persuasion, just truthfulness from the two boys.

Oh, bullshit. I'm sure the teacher didn't turn herself in; the kids obviously went to the cops. This is not something you do when you're happy with the person you're turning in. Comprende?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-06-30 12:47am

Plekhanov wrote:You might find who penetrates whom to be of great personal psychological importance but that fact has no moral significance and I’d hope no legal importance either.

Its not a personal perspective; it happens to be the truth.

Teenage boys can’t get pregnant so what? If a girl is infertile would it be open season on her for all the horny, manipulative male teachers?

What a stupid fucking analogy.

Teenage boys can and do still get emotionally fucked up, this isn’t about the risk of pregnancy this is about an adult in loco parentis abusing their position of trust and power to take advantage of child in their care.

And what I'm talking about isn't a manipulative relationship, but getting LAID. Most make 14 year olds would dream of screwing their hot assed teacher they rub one out to at night. There's no emotional element to it.

What if the accused was old, fat and ugly?

What if the accused were a moose? Quit the strawman bullshit.

What if she shoved her finger up his ass and “penetrated” him or used a dildo on him?

What if he requested that, and LIKED it?

What if it had been a gay teacher taking advantage of the victim or if the teacher in question had been a lesbian?

What if the the teacher had a vacuum growing out of her ass, and used it on the kid's balls?

If any of the above had been the case would you still have such a blasé attitude?

Oh sorry, I was sticking to the facts of the matter, not campaigning for who's moral high ground is better. Fuck off.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-06-30 12:56am

Rogue 9 wrote:
kojikun wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:It does, however, say that he gave a description and told the police about it. This is not something you do when you're happy with a person.
It says that their stories were matching. When you get questioned, ofcourse you're going to tell the truth. It doesn't imply any force or persuasion, just truthfulness from the two boys.
Oh, bullshit. I'm sure the teacher didn't turn herself in; the kids obviously went to the cops. This is not something you do when you're happy with the person you're turning in. Comprende?

Actually the article mentions how she did turn herself in; the kids may not have gone to the cops, they may have simply confirmed it when they were brought in for interviewing.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-06-30 01:00am

Also she was charged with 'lewd and lascivious battery'? It sounds like an archaic way of saying 'sexual assault', without actually stating sexual assault. She wasn't even charged with statutory rape.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-30 01:09am

What a stupid fucking analogy.

Why? Your means of differentiating the cases was that the boy couldn't get pregnant. It is perfectly relevant to ask if it would be okay in reverse if the girl couldn't get pregnant either.

And what I'm talking about isn't a manipulative relationship, but getting LAID. Most make 14 year olds would dream of screwing their hot assed teacher they rub one out to at night. There's no emotional element to it.

So... You have no emotions at all for anyone you screw. Ooookay. *Scribbles "sociopath" in my notes.*

What if he requested that, and LIKED it?

Then, him being 14 years old and under the age of consent (and, I might add, not capable of making any kind of responsible decision if he's an average 14 year old, though there are exceptional examples of 14 year olds with intelligence), she should have refused. To do otherwise is immoral, illegal, and irresponsible.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-30 01:12am

MKSheppard wrote:

Ok, i expect too much of people. ;p but theres no reason to doubt that this kid was telling the truth. he just got banged by some hot chick, he'd boast as others said.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2004-06-30 01:21am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Elfdart wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:I'd hit it
The teacher or the 14-year-old? *
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How about no? You can disclaim all you want, but this is not funny.

I'll be the judge of that.

A good-looking teacher stooping to bang a 14-year-old dude is hilarious! If he was forced or coerced, that's one thing, but he wasn't. Should this teacher be fired and be punished by the justice system? Yes and maybe. I don't condone what she did. It is funny though. But what's really funny is your indignation over a joke when the butt of the joke, Shepster, didn't care. Lighten up.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-30 01:31am

Elfdart wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Elfdart wrote: The teacher or the 14-year-old? *
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* DISCLAIMER: This asterisk (*) denotes that the preceeding paragraph is meant at least partially in jest. It is a service to the humor-challenged and the just plain stupid to let them know not to take it so seriously. If the paragraph in question makes you angry, indignant or irate please don't bore me with your impassioned response. You would be better served by sitting back and pouring yourself a nice big cup of "shut the fuck up".
How about no? You can disclaim all you want, but this is not funny.
I'll be the judge of that.

No, you won't. If I did that to any of my students... Well, to be frank I can't conceive of betraying them and their parents that way. I am professionally offended by this whole damn fiasco on top of personal moral indignation, and am not in the mood to have people say its all right or funny.

A good-looking teacher stooping to bang a 14-year-old dude is hilarious!

No, it really isn't. She betrayed her trust and abused her position.

If he was forced or coerced, that's one thing, but he wasn't. Should this teacher be fired and be punished by the justice system? Yes and maybe. I don't condone what she did. It is funny though. But what's really funny is your indignation over a joke when the butt of the joke, Shepster, didn't care. Lighten up.

I don't care about the joke being on Shep. I care that this teacher be ejected from the profession and never allowed near students again, that's what I care about. There is nothing funny about this. We have a dumb 14 year old and a dumber/predatory teacher taking advantage of said dumb student. I fail to find the joke in this. Perhaps you need to take things a little more seriously when they are actually serious.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-30 01:41am

Zaia wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:Curious, had it been a 14 year old girl with a 23 year old male teacher, would you people's opinion that there's nothing wrong with this?
That's exactly what I was thinking.

Supply and demand. Guy's sexual favors aren't worth shit, not just socially, but also to us personally. We know that girls can get it anywhere they want. It is they which are more vulnerable and protecting a coveted asset.

Now, the woman is probably sick in the head, quite honestly. But I really doubt the boy is going to be psychologically deranged by this.

Quite simply, boys sleeping with older girls tend to not suffer from post acto, or have it caused by prior, psychological maladies. Guys and girls just do not react the same way to sex. This is one of the major social problems in a modern, golden rule and logic-based sense of ethics where all should be equal.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-30 01:47am

This teacher is pretty good looking. It is difficult to understand her motives. She can easily get a good looking man as her lover. There is no need to resort to illegal activity like boinking a 14 yeal old to satisfy her sexual desires. She must be mentaly sick.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-06-30 01:49am

Rogue 9 wrote: So... You have no emotions at all for anyone you screw. Ooookay. *Scribbles "sociopath" in my notes.*

Oh, that's bullshit and you know it. Is there any emotion in any one of thousands of one-night stands taking place in dorm rooms and back alleys across the country every year? No, it's all about lust. That doesn't make someone a fucking sociopath.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-06-30 01:56am

Lord Poe wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:You might find who penetrates whom to be of great personal psychological importance but that fact has no moral significance and I’d hope no legal importance either.
Its not a personal perspective; it happens to be the truth.

Of course it’s “true” that males generally do the penetrating it’s also totally irrelevant to the morality or legality of this case.

Teenage boys can’t get pregnant so what? If a girl is infertile would it be open season on her for all the horny, manipulative male teachers?
What a stupid fucking analogy.

Why is it a stupid analogy? You were the one who said that the boys inability to get pregnant made it ok, so answer the question if a 14 year old girl is infertile is she fair game for male teachers?

Teenage boys can and do still get emotionally fucked up, this isn’t about the risk of pregnancy this is about an adult in loco parentis abusing their position of trust and power to take advantage of child in their care.
And what I'm talking about isn't a manipulative relationship, but getting LAID. Most make 14 year olds would dream of screwing their hot assed teacher they rub one out to at night. There's no emotional element to it.

You might not find sex an emotional experience but many people (and yes that includes guys) do. How do you know the kid in question thought he was just “getting laid” how do you know he isn’t hopelessly in love with her and is now grief stricken that his testimony might send her to jail? You don’t do you, all you know is that you think “she looks hot” and that is no basis to run a criminal justice system on.

What if she shoved her finger up his ass and “penetrated” him or used a dildo on him?

What if he requested that, and LIKED it?

He was 14 and below the age of consent and as such not legally capable of requesting or consenting to such behaviour, so if he had requested it she should have refused, reported it to her colleges and been careful never to be alone with the boy again. I volunteer in a school and that is how we are trained to deal with such situations and what she should have done.

If any of the above had been the case would you still have such a blasé attitude?
Oh sorry, I was sticking to the facts of the matter, not campaigning for who's moral high ground is better. Fuck off.

No you were ignoring the very real facts and ramifications about the case and instead stuck in some soft focus fantasy about whichever teacher you fancied when you were 14.

You have accused me of straw manning I’m not; you argued that the teacher in question had done nothing wrong because:

A. You fancy the accused
B. Boys don’t get penetrated
C. Boys don’t get pregnant

My questions served to show how absurd any of your criteria are for running an education or criminal justice system.

In this circumstance I couldn’t care less about the moral high ground what I care about is having a rational workable system something you are apparently to busy wanking other your former teachers to even begin to consider.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-30 01:56am

Rogue 9 wrote: So... You have no emotions at all for anyone you screw. Ooookay. *Scribbles "sociopath" in my notes.*

Hey, Rogue, guess what?

Shut the fuck up.

What was that, again?

Oh yeah: Shut. The fuck up.

You know what, firstly, you completely generalised Poe. He didn't say he never cared for a girl he fucks, just that in this case as a 14 year old he wouldn't.

And guess what? Sometimes you're horny, now ideally sex is with love and is a meaningful and close commitment sealed with intimacy between two people. But guess what? Sometimes you really, really want to get laid. And you don't really give a shit emotionally, and neither does she. And you get your rocks off, and go on your merry way. And so long as you both weren't hurt by the other, and safety was taken into consideration, there's nothing wrong with it. And as a male, this compulsion appears from time to time, with a good damn percentage of us too. Quite frankly the last person I'm going to have claim that me, Poe, and whoever else shares that particular description sometime ever in their life, and thus open to some ridiculous strawman by some wounded-innocence, clueless virgin dipshit is, [surprise!] you.

Rogue 9 wrote::Then, him being 14 years old and under the age of consent (and, I might add, not capable of making any kind of responsible decision if he's an average 14 year old, though there are exceptional examples of 14 year olds with intelligence), she should have refused. To do otherwise is immoral, illegal, and irresponsible.

Naturally. The situation is morally unfair because the boy is vastly less mature than the woman. We cannot allow these kind of liasons because the partners are intrinsically mismatched and unsafe. That's the legal and moral practical reality.

But please, let's be honest. The fourteen year old guy is probably bragging to his friends about nailing their hot teacher, not crying over his violation. It's the truth, and you know it. Just because something is a crime doesn't mean we need to wax poetic and pretend every victim regardless of gender or whatnot is going to have a perfect politically correct identical reaction to it.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-06-30 01:57am

Kuja wrote:Oh, that's bullshit and you know it. Is there any emotion in any one of thousands of one-night stands taking place in dorm rooms and back alleys across the country every year? No, it's all about lust. That doesn't make someone a fucking sociopath.

Thanks, Kuja.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-30 01:58am

And by the way, moron, a sociopath is someone who has no consideration for the feelings of others, not someone who is emotionally neutral in a specific instance.

But sure, throw a specific and serious term around; over-emoting really shows emphasis, yuck yuck.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-06-30 02:03am

By the way, the age of consent to have sex with an adult in Portugal is 14. Don't come with legal bullshit to try to explain the poor kid's abused feelings. Any male who says the kid will suffer for having rammed that teacher's ass is suffering from a severe case of Green Envy. That or he's just clueless.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-30 02:14am

Kuja wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: So... You have no emotions at all for anyone you screw. Ooookay. *Scribbles "sociopath" in my notes.*
Oh, that's bullshit and you know it. Is there any emotion in any one of thousands of one-night stands taking place in dorm rooms and back alleys across the country every year? No, it's all about lust. That doesn't make someone a fucking sociopath.

Hmmmmmm... Total lack of emotion or empathy for someone you're that involved with... Yeah, I'd say that qualifies.

Quite frankly the last person I'm going to have claim that me, Poe, and whoever else shares that particular description sometime ever in their life, and thus open to some ridiculous strawman by some wounded-innocence, clueless virgin dipshit is, [surprise!] you.

Translation: I think with my nuts and I can't stand it when someone who uses his brain for its proper function notes that this isn't particularly intelligent.

But please, let's be honest. The fourteen year old guy is probably bragging to his friends about nailing their hot teacher, not crying over his violation.

Doesn't make it right or moral.

It's the truth, and you know it.

Probably is. Still not seeing how that makes it right.

Just because something is a crime doesn't mean we need to wax poetic and pretend every victim regardless of gender or whatnot is going to have a perfect politically correct identical reaction to it.

Well wouldn't you know, I never said anything about his reaction making a difference, dumbass, because it doesn't matter. She abused her position and took advantage of her student. This is wrong, and fortunately it is also illegal, meaning she can be made to pay for her wrongdoing. If she gets off easy on this, I will be royally pissed. Even more than I am right now, if that's possible.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-06-30 02:19am

Colonel Olrik wrote:By the way, the age of consent to have sex with an adult in Portugal is 14. Don't come with legal bullshit to try to explain the poor kid's abused feelings. Any male who says the kid will suffer for having rammed that teacher's ass is suffering from a severe case of Green Envy. That or he's just clueless.

Well that is Portugal's God damned problem, not mine, as this happened in the United States. Apparently the lawmakers over here have more sense on this issue than the ones in Portugal. NOW YOU CAN QUIT PRETENDING THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH EXPLOITING CHILDREN RIGHT THE HELL NOW, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?

And on another note, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Plekhanov on something...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-30 02:24am

Rogue 9 wrote:Hmmmmmm... Total lack of emotion or empathy for someone you're that involved with... Yeah, I'd say that qualifies.

No asshole, that's not what he said. A lack of personal emotional attachment is not a lack of empathy. You're defining sole lust to be sociopathic by definition. You're a fucking retard.

Go get laid, idiot.

Rogue 9 wrote:Translation: I think with my nuts and I can't stand it when someone who uses his brain for its proper function notes that this isn't particularly intelligent.

Too bad that I'm not a virgin, and the girl I slept with was my long term girlfriend whom I was attached to deeply, and haven't been able to go out with anyone else for almost a year since because of how close I was to her, but hell, that doesn't matter when you're a sad little stuffy traditional virgin with zero actual knowledge of the shit he spouts off on.

But that doesn't fit in your preconcieved delusions, so you may dismiss it outright and not quote it in your response in accordance with your modus operandi.

There's nothing immoral or sociopathic about sex without attachment. Use logic to show there is.

Oh, and get laid, idiot.

Rogue 9 wrote:Doesn't make it right or moral.

Rogue 9 wrote:Probably is. Still not seeing how that makes it right.

Nice, that editing out of this:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Naturally. The situation is morally unfair because the boy is vastly less mature than the woman. We cannot allow these kind of liasons because the partners are intrinsically mismatched and unsafe. That's the legal and moral practical reality.

Oops! You're an asshole!

Rogue 9 wrote:Well wouldn't you know, I never said anything about his reaction making a difference, dumbass, because it doesn't matter. She abused her position and took advantage of her student. This is wrong, and fortunately it is also illegal, meaning she can be made to pay for her wrongdoing. If she gets off easy on this, I will be royally pissed. Even more than I am right now, if that's possible.

Nice, forgeting about this:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Naturally. The situation is morally unfair because the boy is vastly less mature than the woman. We cannot allow these kind of liasons because the partners are intrinsically mismatched and unsafe. That's the legal and moral practical reality.

Oops! You're an asshole!

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-06-30 02:25am

Rogue 9 wrote:Hmmmmmm... Total lack of emotion or empathy for someone you're that involved with... Yeah, I'd say that qualifies.

Stop being an obstinate ass. You know just as goddamn well as I do that there's no such thing as love or caring when a guy spots a girl in a bar and thinks 'Damn, I wanna hit that.'

Here's a clue: being a sociopath is when YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO REGARD FOR THE SANCTITIY OF ANOTHER HUMAN. If you saw your five-year-old nephew get run over by a car (say) and walked away whistlin' dixie, then you'd be a fucking sociopath. By your jackass definition, virtually every college kid in America who's after a little tail is a sociopath.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-30 02:27am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:By the way, the age of consent to have sex with an adult in Portugal is 14. Don't come with legal bullshit to try to explain the poor kid's abused feelings. Any male who says the kid will suffer for having rammed that teacher's ass is suffering from a severe case of Green Envy. That or he's just clueless.
Well that is Portugal's God damned problem, not mine, as this happened in the United States. Apparently the lawmakers over here have more sense on this issue than the ones in Portugal. NOW YOU CAN QUIT PRETENDING THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH EXPLOITING CHILDREN RIGHT THE HELL NOW, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?

And on another note, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Plekhanov on something...

WOW IF I TALK IN ALL CAPS, use Argumentum ad nauseum, and treat my positions as a priori truths, I am right. Heehee!

Isn't it fun to debate like Rogue 9? Yuck yuck!

[Take a hint, asshole. Maybe if a lot of other Western, developed countries have different rules and aren't burning to the ground you might have to actually justify the law, rather than saying it is correct because some U.S. legislature passed the law.]