How big are the ships in KOTOR

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-27 09:50am

Just what it says, also how big do you think the starforge is.

I mean all ship from the smallest starfigther to the largest starship.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-06-27 10:06am

Given that also the close up of the Capital class ship were dwarfed when approaching the Star Forge...it's likely in the

70-80 KM range in size.

Though actually one could try a wee bit of imrpovisation scaling by taking the size of one of the Sith Fighters...see the size of Republic cruiser and then go from there.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-27 11:55am

The Republic and Sith capital ships seem pretty unimpressive in size- you can scale from the bridge windows to see that the largest Republic Warship is about the size of a Lancer Frigate, and the Sith warships aren't much better.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-06-27 12:23pm

Vympel wrote:The Republic and Sith capital ships seem pretty unimpressive in size- you can scale from the bridge windows to see that the largest Republic Warship is about the size of a Lancer Frigate, and the Sith warships aren't much better.

True, the Republic cruisers seem to mass slightly more than a Coreillian Corvette and a little less than the Nebulon B. The Sith 'Leviathan' seem bigger but not much if you judge by the command tower and its widows. Perhaps Dreadnaught size.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-06-27 12:27pm

True...though the fighters are pretty small actually...I'd say almost around A-Wing rather then Y or X-Wing level.

How big would one say the Ebon Hawk is?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-27 12:29pm

Ghost Rider wrote:True...though the fighters are pretty small actually...I'd say almost around A-Wing rather then Y or X-Wing level.

How big would one say the Ebon Hawk is?

24 meters in Starwars.com databank

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-06-27 12:36pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:True...though the fighters are pretty small actually...I'd say almost around A-Wing rather then Y or X-Wing level.

How big would one say the Ebon Hawk is?
24 meters in Starwars.com databank

Which seems pretty small if you take into effect the interior shots of the game and what we know the cockpit looks like and compare that to the exterior windows.

IIRC, they had the MF pegged at 25m too and that was stupid.

If I had to take a rough guess, I'd say in the upper 30's to 40 meter range.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-06-27 12:38pm

Knife wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:True...though the fighters are pretty small actually...I'd say almost around A-Wing rather then Y or X-Wing level.

How big would one say the Ebon Hawk is?
24 meters in Starwars.com databank
Which seems pretty small if you take into effect the interior shots of the game and what we know the cockpit looks like and compare that to the exterior windows.

IIRC, they had the MF pegged at 25m too and that was stupid.

If I had to take a rough guess, I'd say in the upper 30's to 40 meter range.

Sounds certainly better.

Another bit is if that small...gives a huge idea of power generation given how much is taken up by empty space in that craft(heck the Hyperdrive is this itty bitty thing)

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-27 12:43pm

Knife wrote:Which seems pretty small if you take into effect the interior shots of the game and what we know the cockpit looks like and compare that to the exterior windows.

IIRC, they had the MF pegged at 25m too and that was stupid.

If I had to take a rough guess, I'd say in the upper 30's to 40 meter range.

true. They have also forgoten cannons on the sides of the Hawk

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-06-28 05:48pm

The Leviathan is supposedly 1600 meters of so, or approximately the size of an ISD, according to sources I've heard from.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-06-28 07:11pm

How big is the Star Forge?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-06-28 07:27pm

Mlenk wrote:How big is the Star Forge?

See Ghost Rider's first post.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-06-28 08:21pm

Mlenk wrote:How big is the Star Forge?

This big.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-06-28 08:24pm

Says very little scaling wise, since we have no real determinent.

It's like putting the classic DS2 approach we have for RoTJ.

Indicates it's big but no idea of how big, thus does not answer his question.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-06-28 08:33pm

The cruisers (for lack of a better name, I'll call it the Leviathan-class from now on) are just exitting the hangar, they are one pixel wide. The Star Forge is roughly 324 pixels long (tall). Assuming that the Leviathan-class is 300 m across, that would make the Star Forge 97.2 km long. While this is far from being the most precise method possible, it gives us a ballpark figure.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-06-28 08:36pm

Long as in wide or tall?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-06-28 08:38pm

I'm going to say he's doing length wise.

He does know the height, it's easy enough to get the length from pixel measurement as well.

Also where did you get the 300 m figure for the cruisers?

Also are you basising on that picture since it does not full height of the Star Forge...but it does show the full length.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-06-29 08:34pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Long as in wide or tall?

For the Leviathan, or the Star Forge? Wide for the Leviathan, tall for the Star Forge.

Ghost Rider wrote:Also where did you get the 300 m figure for the cruisers?

ISDs are about 300 m wide. I'm assuming a similar size as a baseline.

Ghost Rider wrote:Also are you basising on that picture since it does not full height of the Star Forge...but it does show the full length.

It doesn't show the full height (which I was referring to as the length), but it does show the entire top half. Since the Star Forge is symetrical, I just multplied the number of pixels there by 2.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-06-29 11:19pm

Are there better images of those starships? They don't appear to be very large, to me. Still, its a good indication of pre-Empire DS-level industry. Even if it is a silly game

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-06-30 02:14pm

Stark wrote:Are there better images of those starships?

Not any scalable ones. The only thing I can think of would be to scale up from the TL batteries (which we see in the bombing of Taris cutscene). But we'd have to assume that turret size for large starships had remained the same over 4000 years, which is a pretty blind guess.

But if you just want a pic that looks cool, here's a good one:

And of course, there's always the first KOTOR desktop image:

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-06-30 06:20pm

YT300000 wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Also where did you get the 300 m figure for the cruisers?
ISDs are about 300 m wide. I'm assuming a similar size as a baseline.

Not a good baseline given that an ISD is also built under much different standard of production and engineering standards.

Though I can see why, just saying why an unwise choice.

Ghost Rider wrote:Also are you basising on that picture since it does not full height of the Star Forge...but it does show the full length.

It doesn't show the full height (which I was referring to as the length), but it does show the entire top half. Since the Star Forge is symetrical, I just multplied the number of pixels there by 2.[/quote]

It does at least give a possible high end range...and also not perfectfectly symetricall given that in the star pic...the globe is not the center of the prongs.