What if the Federation won?

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2004-07-02 07:25am

Inspired by a tangential thought after reading "Let Trek Win"....What if Q or somebody allowed the Federation to conquer the Empire? Is maintaining control of the galaxy a concievable feat? How much territory could be retained for a set amount of time? What's even realistic?

Here's the scenario:

1) Entire Federation fleet replicated and placed in orbit above Coruscant w/ man power to man the ships. A wormhole in orbit above Coruscant allows the Alpha Quadrant to resupply the fleet.

2)
To throw the Federation a bone, Warp Speed = Hyperspace, otherwise they'd be unable to even command the Coruscant system with ease.

3)
The goal is to control as much territory as possible, measured in inhabited worlds and systems. The Imperial military, for all intents and purposes, is not a part of this scenario, they just....disappear.

Additional scenario requirements may change on feedback.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2004-07-02 07:27am

Obviously I'm of the opinion that even if the Federation won through some miraculous reason, the galaxy is simply too vast and broad to allow any meaningful military domination by Starfleet.

So if none of my questions in the OP can be accomplished, WHAT exactly would be necessary would let the Federation "win"?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-07-02 08:47am

if warp = hyperdrive..... if the entire fleet suddenly materialized over Courescant if.... if..... if.....

[Red Foreman]if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped [/Red Foreman]

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-07-02 09:23am

LMSx wrote:So if none of my questions in the OP can be accomplished, WHAT exactly would be necessary would let the Federation "win"?

The miraculous surrender of the Imperial forces to them, and willingness on their part to take orders from the Federation Council.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2004-07-02 10:02am

The problem with the Federation controlling the Star Wars galaxy is that, even without the Imperial Navy to deal with, they don't have the firepower to contend with SW's smugglers, pirates, mercenaries, bounty hunters, or local police forces. Look at Slave 1, or the pirates with the Nebulon B frigate in NJO, or Talon Karrde's Wild Karrde. And how is the Federation going to handle planetary shields and weapons?

Not to mention what's going to happen a few decades down the line when the Yuuzhan Vong arrive on the scene.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2004-07-02 02:23pm

LMSx wrote:Inspired by a tangential thought after reading "Let Trek Win"....What if Q or somebody allowed the Federation to conquer the Empire?

The Rebel Alliance reforms the New Republic much faster.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-07-02 02:36pm

The main problem is the Feds don't have the weapon pwoer. Another civilization (YV, Hapans, Corprate Sector, Hutts, Yevetha, Ssi-Ruuvi, ect) will come along and pound the Feds back to the Milky Way, leaving this race to conquer the known galaxy.

Or

After the above happens, a massive war erupts between the remaing superpowers and the SW galaxy again is thrown into war.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-07-02 02:38pm

Also, the Feds won't know how to control a galactic wide governemt, let alone a galaztic ecomnomy. Another though would be that thousands of star systems succede and form their own empires.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2004-07-02 03:13pm

There's no way they can control it all. Their are still too many other factions with too much firepower at their disposal. If the Feds aim is to control the galaxy, the Rebels would most likely see them as another version of the GE.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-07-02 06:44pm

"Tom the Federation team still seems to be trying to hang in there and come up with a plan to pull out a victory in the second half, although they have been forced to accept several givens into their calculations, lets go to them now".

"Alright, if all of the Empire's soldiers drop dead, and their equipment explodes, and we are miraculously given superpowers, then maybe..."

"As you can see Tom, the Federation's spirit's remain high, but they are reaching at this point."

Cookie to whoever gets the reference.

Rhoades · Post by **Rhoades** » 2004-07-02 09:06pm

consequences wrote:"Tom the Federation team still seems to be trying to hang in there and come up with a plan to pull out a victory in the second half, although they have been forced to accept several givens into their calculations, lets go to them now".

"Alright, if all of the Empire's soldiers drop dead, and their equipment explodes, and we are miraculously given superpowers, then maybe..."

"As you can see Tom, the Federation's spirit's remain high, but they are reaching at this point."

Cookie to whoever gets the reference.

Sounds like something they would say on celebrity death match. I don't know, I only got little to go off of.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-07-03 12:50am

The Federation would deal with the Vong easily.

NANOPROBES!!!!! One bit of deus ex machine technobabble BS to wipe out another, woo!

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-07-03 03:16am

That's actually not as silly as it appears, the nanoprobes only need to turn the Vong against each other and cause civil unrest. They don't need to do any actual damage.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2004-07-03 04:26am

NecronLord wrote:
LMSx wrote:So if none of my questions in the OP can be accomplished, WHAT exactly would be necessary would let the Federation "win"?
The miraculous surrender of the Imperial forces to them, and willingness on their part to take orders from the Federation Council.

Well yes

but the Imperial forces aren't a factor in this scenario. Looking at it again, it was a mistake to place the forces above Coruscant since with several hundred billion people it's a giant sinkhole of attempted power.

How much territory could be retained for a set amount of time? What's even realistic?

So I guess we're aiming at far Outer Rim, eh? *far* Outer Rim...

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2004-07-03 04:29am

Howedar wrote:That's actually not as silly as it appears, the nanoprobes only need to turn the Vong against each other and cause civil unrest. They don't need to do any actual damage.

The Vong command structure was being held together by sheer force of will anyway, a few crazy generals (can't remember Vong version of title) might well have made further galactic intrusions an unstable idea at best.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-07-03 10:56pm

I would guess that some, if not most, large shipping companies have private defence forces capable of wiping the Federation fleet aside. When they get a dose of their new found communist oppertunities, well, you see where I'm going.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2004-07-04 12:15am

The United Federation Government completely lacks the experience, infrastructure, and scope to effectively take control of the galaxy in the absence of the Galactic Empire. One must understand that where the Federation controls some 150 planets or so, the Empire rules over 51 millions. One expects that the Federation would be largely unable to supplant the Corporate Sector Authority, let alone the vast territories of the New Order.

It is unlikely that it would be able to hold onto any planets of any real significance; major worlds and industrial complexes are so much more heavily populated and technologically more advanced that the Federation would lack the ability to occupy them. The result of the Federation's victory would be outright anarchy, far worse than the disorders following the Battle of Endor -- then, at least, the Empire still existed, and the Alliance of Free Planets represented a viable alternative.

Quite simply, the Federation would be better off losing to the Empire than it would in winning; at least in losing, the Federation would not be badly out of its depth.

PUBLIUS

Jalinth · Post by **Jalinth** » 2004-07-05 08:14pm

Publius wrote:The United Federation Government completely lacks the experience, infrastructure, and scope to effectively take control of the galaxy in the absence of the Galactic Empire. One must understand that where the Federation controls some 150 planets or so, the Empire rules over 51 millions. One expects that the Federation would be largely unable to supplant the Corporate Sector Authority, let alone the vast territories of the New Order.

It is unlikely that it would be able to hold onto any planets of any real significance; major worlds and industrial complexes are so much more heavily populated and technologically more advanced that the Federation would lack the ability to occupy them. The result of the Federation's victory would be outright anarchy, far worse than the disorders following the Battle of Endor -- then, at least, the Empire still existed, and the Alliance of Free Planets represented a viable alternative.

Quite simply, the Federation would be better off losing to the Empire than it would in winning; at least in losing, the Federation would not be badly out of its depth.

PUBLIUS

Must agree - they would be sadly outgunned and simply don't have the infrastructure to govern such a large area. The military incompetence wouldn't help either - the Feds would try to negotiate where people (such as Jabba the Hut) respect force

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-07-09 08:43pm

consequences wrote: "Alright, if all of the Empire's soldiers drop dead, and their equipment explodes, and we are miraculously given superpowers, then maybe..."

This part kind of resembles the part in Jedi Search where Han is considering jumping a guard: Well, maybr if there's only one guard, who has poor eyesight and is recovering from weeks' worth of dysentery...

On topic, there's no way in hell the feds could control the SW galaxy. They lack the numbers, firepower, experience, etc. The Rebellion would probably take it from them. Heck, the Alliance fleet could possibly go head to head with Starfleet and win.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-10 02:01am

Even if the Federation took over the Federation they would be facing serious resistence from insurgents, bounty hunters, pirates etc. Blaster armed people would be very deadly against Federation red shirts. In space Star Wars small craft has demonstrated very high firepower. With a good pilot they could destroy a Federation capital ship.

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