imperial Guard vs Modern army

[starfury]

how would the Warhammar 40k imperial guard fare vs the modern war machines of the major powers of the world today

[white_rabbit]

They would kick the shit out of them..

there, thats a suitably imflammatory start I think

[starfury]

like a leman Russ Vanquisher vs a M1A2 MBT, let the tank battles commence

[Sea Skimmer]

They would kick the shit out of them..

there, thats a suitably imflammatory start I think

Bound paper and small figurines are no match for Thermite

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

They would kick the shit out of them..

there, thats a suitably imflammatory start I think

Bound paper and small figurines are no match for Thermite

Tell that to a storm bolter...

[Sea Skimmer]

They would kick the shit out of them..

there, thats a suitably imflammatory start I think

Bound paper and small figurines are no match for Thermite

Tell that to a storm bolter...

Okay, but I think I'll use my boot and lighter for the task.

[Guest]

Me thinks some people are taking the topic too litterally.

[Stormbringer]

Bound paper and small figurines are no match for Thermite

Tell that to a storm bolter...

Okay, but I think I'll use my boot and lighter for the task.

Nah, I use a blowtorch and some firecracker. Watch as M-80 decimate the Imperium's finest.

[Typhonis 1]

Oi this will be bad pepends on if a Titan legion is present or even Ordinatus is along...those are very scary large scale weapons...a nuke mioght be able to take out a battle titan...or at least knock its shields down

[NecronLord]

Absoloute pushover.

For cryin out loud there is usually a full orbital bombardment before boots hit soil.

[Cpt_Frank]

Oh. My. God.
Who comes up with such cruel and disgusting ideas?
Why not make it even more one sided, redshirts vs space marines.

[RadiO]

Oh. My. God.
Who comes up with such cruel and disgusting ideas?
Why not make it even more one sided, redshirts vs space marines.

Yeah, let's do that. I'm feeling pedantic, so... yeah:

* OK, let's be scrupulously fair and assume that the phasers can actually penetrate power armour.

*If the Redshirts get the first shot in, they can actually kill some Marines, but some of those shots will inevitably miss, cause non-fatal wounds - unless the only way a phaser can kill a Marine doesn't involve outright disintegration. Either way, the Marines will suffer some casualties.
Then the Redshirts die, because they have no armour at all and the Marine's weapons can penetrate most forms of cover the SF troops might be using. That's assuming that the Marines don't just storm forwards and eviscerate the Redshirts in hand-to-hand.

* If the Marines get the first shot in, the Redshirts die, because they have no armour at all and the Marine's weapons can penetrate - etc. Etc. Etc.

God, I am so easily pleased.

[white_rabbit]

Hmm, and here I was thinking that there would be some opposition

[The Yosemite Bear]

Hehe

Subject: <Humor>My Cat vs 40. K army
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:56:32 -0700
From: "Colin Brian Witz" <ybear@inreach.com>
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.vs.starwars




The marines checked their wargear, took blood oath from the chaplin and
prepared to slaughter the greens. As they approched the Ork army it
struck. The chaplin was the first to fall decapidated and then torn in
half by the claws legs still attached to his Vincent warbike, as the
gaint furry choas demon decened on the battlefield. Paralysed by a
force they could not imagine the creature savaged marine and ork alike
with hellish fury as four godlike beings attempted to restrain the foul
demon. It next grabbed the Orc warleader in it's terrible claws and
bit his upper body in two an arm still holding a plasma pistol fell to
the ground.

Brother Marius readied his rocket launcher with a Vortex missile but
that was to no avail as the creature's tail lashed out and slew a full
ten brothers while it charged the ork line toppling the Gargant.
Finally as the the horrified brothers watched the Librarian prayed and
a pair of hands reached from the sky and grabbed the beast. The beast
would not be caught though. It bit and clawed it's way to freedom
crashing down and destroying many brothers and depositing a foul
package on the field of battle before it left just as it had come.

>From Brother Chaplin Chad Maximus, Blood Angels chapter: The Ordeal
of Pippin the Siamese.

[Kuja]

ROTFLMAO! That's good.

[The Yosemite Bear]

It's been rated as one of the better humo(u)r fics in the Daltonator Fanfic archive.

[jegs2]

how would the Warhammar 40k imperial guard fare vs the modern war machines of the major powers of the world today

Similarly, one could ask how the US Army would do against the major powers of the day during the height of the Roman Empire ... and get a similar answer.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

ROFL... The Imperial Guard wouldn't stand a fucking chance even if hell froze over and pigs sprouted wings!

Why? Because an Imperial Guardsman would die at the slightest gust of wind, leaving the Imperial army without any infantry force. Not to mention the fact that a US Marine would find that laser dot very annoying, then proceed to ventilate the source of it with his M249 SAW.

[NecronLord]

ROFL... The Imperial Guard wouldn't stand a fucking chance even if hell froze over and pigs sprouted wings!

Why? Because an Imperial Guardsman would die at the slightest gust of wind, leaving the Imperial army without any infantry force.

I'm confused? What?

Not to mention the fact that a US Marine would find that laser dot very annoying, then proceed to ventilate the source of it with his M249 SAW.

Do you mean the laser sights sometimes pictured? they can be turned off.
If you mean Lasguns, the beam hits him he's dead (also i seem to remember that they are colourless)

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

I'm confused as well...

By your name I see you follow WH40K, but perhaps you have not often fought an "Impy Guard" player. I am one myself, and I can tell you that a Guardsman is the most worthless piece of shit unit of all 40K. A do-nothing gun, an armor save negated by virtually every weapon (except, of course, lasguns), and an anemic Toughness of 3.

P.S.: I'm usually very cynical in my postings, don't be too put off by it, I try not to flame

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

On a more serious note, however, the Imperial Guard is a relatively rag-tag outfit, compared to the US and other prominent NATO countries. They no longer even posess the technology to make half of their armaments, so most of them are using centuries-old materiel. The Imperial Guard is also extremely inflexible, much like the Spartans, so not only can they be easily out-maneuvered and out-strategized, but theyt still cling to impractical traditions, regulations, and beliefs (e.g. the Mordian's refusal to wear BATTLE DRESS in BATTLE).

My 2 cents on Impy Guard vs. Modern Military
(See also, "klingons vs. modern earth" in the SW vs. ST and Off Topic forums)

[NecronLord]

I'm confused as well...

By your name I see you follow WH40K, but perhaps you have not often fought an "Impy Guard" player. I am one myself, and I can tell you that a Guardsman is the most worthless piece of shit unit of all 40K. A do-nothing gun, an armor save negated by virtually every weapon (except, of course, lasguns), and an anemic Toughness of 3.

P.S.: I'm usually very cynical in my postings, don't be too put off by it, I try not to flame

Yes they are gauss gun fodder whoes main task is to distract your opponent's firepower. their strength is their numbers. The Imperial gurad can feild at least a million troopers against every one solder we have.

It should also be noted that they seem weak in comparison to Space marine and Necrons, or slow compared to eldar. Our troops today are worse

[NecronLord]

On a more serious note, however, the Imperial Guard is a relatively rag-tag outfit, compared to the US and other prominent NATO countries. They no longer even posess the technology to make half of their armaments, so most of them are using centuries-old materiel. The Imperial Guard is also extremely inflexible, much like the Spartans, so not only can they be easily out-maneuvered and out-strategized, but theyt still cling to impractical traditions, regulations, and beliefs (e.g. the Mordian's refusal to wear BATTLE DRESS in BATTLE).

My 2 cents on Impy Guard vs. Modern Military
(See also, "klingons vs. modern earth" in the SW vs. ST and Off Topic forums)

On mondor, everyone wears a similar outfit
The grunts are inflexible. but in Stormtroopers versus Any modern equivalent, my money is on the Stormtroopers.
The Guard is not inflexible, the grunts (i.e. infantry platoons) are just so much worthless gauss-gun-fodder. And they run like hell whenver they see necrons

[white_rabbit]

ROFL... The Imperial Guard wouldn't stand a fucking chance even if hell froze over and pigs sprouted wings!

Why? Because an Imperial Guardsman would die at the slightest gust of wind, leaving the Imperial army without any infantry force. Not to mention the fact that a US Marine would find that laser dot very annoying, then proceed to ventilate the source of it with his M249 SAW.

Riigght..

On a more serious note, however, the Imperial Guard is a relatively rag-tag outfit, compared to the US and other prominent NATO countries. They no longer even posess the technology to make half of their armaments, so most of them are using centuries-old materiel. The Imperial Guard is also extremely inflexible, much like the Spartans, so not only can they be easily out-maneuvered and out-strategized, but theyt still cling to impractical traditions, regulations, and beliefs (e.g. the Mordian's refusal to wear BATTLE DRESS in BATTLE).

Again with the technology....its funny the way people skim read then pick out what supports their misconceptions of 40k.

As for the Guard being "Rag-tag"

Admittedly some regiments are, but you cant afford to be picky when its either have some troops that can at least fight, or get eaten by ravening alien bugs.

Basic weapons of Guard troopers are Lasguns....these weapons outclass our modern equipment for killing power with absolutely no problems at all, and are extremely capable penetrators.

You can crow about how crappy Guard flak armour is, but you arent taking it in context, Flak armour sucks...because other people use nasty things like Pulse Rifles and Bolters.

Flak armour is actually a composite of kevlar like materials and thermo-plas fibers that are very good as energy dissapation and the flak armours also good against various explosive shrapnel effects, hence "flak" armour..

So its not just clothing..its good armour, just really crap against weapons that blow through armour thats miles better than flak as a matter of course.

You take a standard Imperial Guard regiment, and the trooper will be easily equivalent to a modern day soldier in training...because Imperial guard are in for life...they are always going to training for, or fighting the next combat.

Theres varying levels of ability..as THERE ARE ON EARTH but to call them "rag tag" is a generalisation of immense..not to mention kinda stupid, proportions.

Then theres the First class Regiments of the Guard, who are highly trained, disciplined and dedicated, not to mention EXTREMELY well equipped and led.

Example, the Cadians, they are easily on par with any modern military force in the world, and their troops are much better equipped, in fact, these guys are lethal, and their Special forces are fucking Deadly, I would back a Kaskrin squad against a US special forces unit any day of the week.

Inflexible ? Obviously you've never heard of Ibram Gaunt, or Yarrick, or Macharius, or Schaeffer. Inflexible in their beliefs and determination ?

Hell yes!

Inflexible strategically ?

Fuck no!

I hear you whine "these are special cases"

But its a big galaxy, plenty of room for all types of commander.

A little more depth to your explainations of the utter crapness of the Guard would help, or are you just another one of those people who disdain 40k because its a game ?


As for a guardsmen having basic toughness of 3....so what they are human...normal, trained soldier level of toughness, Inquistior would be a better way to grade how tough a normal human would be, remember, 40k stats are at best a basic apporximation, and gamebalanced so space marine terminators can be killed by a Grot..

And for a guard player, surely you can understand that Guard are best suited to crushing opponents with weight of fire and multitudes of heavy weapons as well a numerical superiority...its all very well bitching about their toughness, but when you can have more heavy weapons than Tau, its a hard to understand your complaints.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

*sigh* I guess some people just don't understand my cynicism...

I guess I can't blame you, you are probably not forced to play against 11-year-old Marine players who barely know the rules on a regular basis. I've rarely fought anything besides Marines, so it gets depressing after awhile. I did manage to win my last match, thankfully, my opponent didn't have any terminators and was very foolish with his land raider. However, there was a simple plan to my victory: March forward in one long battleline and take the center trench system. In my experience, this is the only way an Imperial Guard Standard Company can win on a CONSISTENT BASIS. IMHO, this constitutes as being inflexible: if you have only one overall battle tactic, you are predictable. And if you are predictable, and the enemy commander is competent, you can be beat.