Reverse Engineering

[Prozac the Robert]

Normally when the idea of the federation duplicating starwars technolgy comes up it is ruthlessly crushed. However in the Palpatine in the Federation thread, no one seems to have a proble with the idea that palpatine could use his knowledge to get the federation up to spec.

So what do you think of the idea that the federation could mass produce star wars ish technology?

[Keevan_Colton]

I dont think they meant that he could get them up to Wars spec, just that he'd know enough to kick them a step above the people around them. I do suspect he'd know a few things to give the Fed's an edge over the AQ/BQ.

[Lord Revan]

I dout that the federation has all tech to retroengineer Wars tech. There is probaly a lot of tech during manufacture prosess that the federation may not have.

[Keevan_Colton]

I dout that the federation has all tech to retroengineer Wars tech. There is probaly a lot of tech during manufacture prosess that the federation may not have.

He can at the very least most likely tell them what ideas wont work leaving them with the ones that will which is a bit of a help...it isnt so much reverse engineering as the question of going back with advanced knowledge to a more primitive society...

Take people from here for example, we might be able to teach the early romans how to make basic muskets, but we'd be fucked with trying to build fighters or ICBM's....he could probably help push them a bit ahead of the other primitives kicking about there

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Doubtful. Half of Wars technology relies on Hypermatter-can Trek produce enough of that? Hell even Repulsorlifts need to be made in refinaries around blackholes.

[Enola Straight]

I think a lot of the general everyday tech in Wars could be reproduced...a blaster or a suit of armor...just take an item as a template, scan it, press the button on the replicator, and there you go.

Other things with a certain quantum signature may require orders of magnitude more computer memory to handle the quantum resolution. Also we would tie together the replicator systems with a transporter pad which already has the hardware needed for quantum resolution materialization...this is what was utilized in the Fanfic "Artoo's Encounter".

Certain unknown fields such as hyperspace tech would undoubtedly require assistence from a Wars engineer.

[Ghost Rider]

Some of the more basic material...a lower grade imitation possibly.

They have the basics...just not the knowledge of mixing it together.

But say even something as easy as durasteel...let's say there's a process SW uses that Trek ahas no analogy?

They are fucked and that's the first part.

Power Generation...nope...and thus fucked on a lot of reverse engineering from there.

[Aaron]

I don't think that Palpatine could really help advance the Fed's tech. He's a Sith Lord not an engineer. He could probably point their engineers in the right direction though. Still I think that SW tech is too far advance of ST to be duplicated by the Feds, hell they can't make a decent warship. How the hell are they going to be able to duplicate blasters or Stormie armour?

[Ghost Rider]

True...even armor could have significant problems...for all we know this is the same as Stone age men making steel.

Blasters...nearly out of the question. Seriously the power generation is very high.

Also one thing that CK brought up...Palpatine may truly have no knowledge of how things work. I mean how many of you know the complete innards of say as something simple as a toaster and can copy down it's entire schematic, as well know the manufacturing needs of said device.

Seriously the Federation...probably cannot do a lot given they do not have the power generation thus may not even have the metallurgic capabilites not the chemical resources to reproduce said weapons...possibly he can give them ideas, but even then he has to know the underlying concepts.

Literally we are talking about ripping someone like Patton and asking him to construct a tank in a foriegn society that resembles something of 19th century Earth with a POSSIBLE similar tech on some level. Just because he works with the stuff, by no means even begins to claim he has any intrisic knowledge of the weaponry or materials.

[Solauren]

Actually, to burst the bubble

According to the EU, just the Corellia System reversed engineered the Hyperdrive from an alien race from outside the galaxy

[Ghost Rider]

Actually, to burst the bubble

According to the EU, just the Corellia System reversed engineered the Hyperdrive from an alien race from outside the galaxy

But we know of the tech levels and that statement is extraordinarily vague.

It says nothing that the tech was incompatibale nor that the power generation wasn't there.

I mean if we go 29th century Man reverse engineered a Cosmic Cube from Aliens from another universe...must mean they had the capablities there...just not the direction.

[Techno_Union]

Assuming Palpatine rises to power, which he no doubt woud, he would do some of the following:

1. Further research on weapons of war, ie. shields, weapons, ship designs, ect. Make bigger ships with more weapons and possibly two warp cores. With increased reasearch, he could have double the amount of ships being produced in a year. Mabye even push Starfleet to expirement with Data to produce more like him. Strategic weapons would be a must, but still using the available technology in ST with some upgrades.

2. He would rapidly change the UFP in ways such as abandoning the "no bothering primitve races". This means they could harvest the nescessary resources for more of these weapons. He would make Starfleet into a true military organization. Change the prime directive and other laws. Create new ones which cater to the average person but still allow Palpatine to wield them easily.

3. With his ability to effect millions (possibly billions), he could changes people minds about the "new" Federation.

Also, the UFP being "communist" will help Palpatine since he isn't limited by money, even though he would still need resources.

Basically, he does not have to use SW tech specifically, but he can use already existing ST tech: cloning, more quantum torps, upgraded shields, more ground vehicles, acutal troops, ect. He can use SW ideas and philosophies to further ST tech.

[Zor]

I say the Federation could be able to reverse engineer the following things

Blaster, It is a fairly Simple peice of technology by SW standards, the basic disign of Blaster weaponry has been in use for 4,000 years. The Result would be a simplified blaster rifle and ship mounted blasters that would pail in compairison to Imperial beam weapons, but still would be good in some areas.
Cybernetics, Also not a Teribly advanced thing, and the Federation does have some level of Technology involving Cybernetics.
Vibro Blades, Also nothing to complex, Then the Federation can make Vibro Gladiuses and show those klingons what a REAL bladed weapon can do

[YT300000]

The problem with blasters is that they would need Tibanna gas, or some substitute. I'm not sure it the Federation has the technology and money for thousands of platforms floating over gas giants harvesting it.

[Jalinth]

Assuming Palpatine rises to power, which he no doubt woud, he would do some of the following:

1. Further research on weapons of war, ie. shields, weapons, ship designs, ect. Make bigger ships with more weapons and possibly two warp cores. With increased reasearch, he could have double the amount of ships being produced in a year. Mabye even push Starfleet to expirement with Data to produce more like him. Strategic weapons would be a must, but still using the available technology in ST with some upgrades.

2. He would rapidly change the UFP in ways such as abandoning the "no bothering primitve races". This means they could harvest the nescessary resources for more of these weapons. He would make Starfleet into a true military organization. Change the prime directive and other laws. Create new ones which cater to the average person but still allow Palpatine to wield them easily.

3. With his ability to effect millions (possibly billions), he could changes people minds about the "new" Federation.

Also, the UFP being "communist" will help Palpatine since he isn't limited by money, even though he would still need resources.

Basically, he does not have to use SW tech specifically, but he can use already existing ST tech: cloning, more quantum torps, upgraded shields, more ground vehicles, acutal troops, ect. He can use SW ideas and philosophies to further ST tech.

I'm not sure how much Palpy could advance science - he a politician/Sith Lord - he probably knows as much about the science behind hypermatter as me - he knows that it works, probably little more. The development end (engineering) would improve - produce as dangerous ships as possible given the available technology. Cut out all of the huge quarters used by Starfleet ships. Use holodecks for training only - and make sure the "safety" interlocks actually work.

Couple these with basic infantry tactics and weapons (all he has to do is read a basic textbook to improve Fed tactics), and you have a pretty lethal Alpha Quandrant force. Still nothing more than a speedbump for the Empire.

[Techno_Union]

I'm not sure how much Palpy could advance science - he a politician/Sith Lord - he probably knows as much about the science behind hypermatter as me - he knows that it works, probably little more.

To me its not about his knowledge, but his will. He would increase the research of existing weapons, better grade of QTs, shields, and what not.

[Jalinth]

I'm not sure how much Palpy could advance science - he a politician/Sith Lord - he probably knows as much about the science behind hypermatter as me - he knows that it works, probably little more.

To me its not about his knowledge, but his will. He would increase the research of existing weapons, better grade of QTs, shields, and what not.

His will can't spontaneous generate scientific discoveries. But if any advances exist that aren't yet applied, he will ensure that the engineers get the needed support to produce your better weaspons. Simply cutting out the bureaucracy could improve efficiency (none of this "Science Council" crap) and ensure that the researchers actually research rather than fill out red tape.

[Techno_Union]

His will can't spontaneous generate scientific discoveries. But if any advances exist that aren't yet applied, he will ensure that the engineers get the needed support to produce your better weaspons. Simply cutting out the bureaucracy could improve efficiency (none of this "Science Council" crap) and ensure that the researchers actually research rather than fill out red tape.

I'm not sure if your agreeing with me or disagreeing? But in any case, his "will" is meant towards him supporting certain reserach projects and such. Of course he can't magically create new tech.

[Sarevok]

I'm not sure how much Palpy could advance science - he a politician/Sith Lord - he probably knows as much about the science behind hypermatter as me - he knows that it works, probably little more.

To me its not about his knowledge, but his will. He would increase the research of existing weapons, better grade of QTs, shields, and what not.

His will can't spontaneous generate scientific discoveries. But if any advances exist that aren't yet applied, he will ensure that the engineers get the needed support to produce your better weaspons. Simply cutting out the bureaucracy could improve efficiency (none of this "Science Council" crap) and ensure that the researchers actually research rather than fill out red tape.

Simply put Palpatine can push Federation research in the right direction. He can order researching things like multiple warp cores, ground veichles and other common sense things that the Federation lacks.