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Economy Set for Best Growth in 20 Years

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040706/D83LFTV00.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - The economy appears headed for a banner year despite a springtime spike in energy prices and a recent increase in interest rates.

In fact, many analysts are forecasting that the overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, will grow by 4.6 percent or better this year, the fastest in two decades.

There were strong 4.5 percent growth rates in 1997 and 1999, when Bill Clinton was president and the country was in the midst of a record 10-year expansion.

But if this year's growth ends up a bit faster than that, it will be the best since the economy roared ahead at a 7.2 percent rate in 1984, a year when another Republican president - Ronald Reagan - was running for re-election.

"We are moving into a sweet spot for the economy with interest rates not too high, jobs coming back and business investment providing strength," said Diane Swonk, chief economist at Bank One in Chicago, who is predicting GDP growth of 4.8 percent this year.

President Bush is highlighting the improving economy at every opportunity while Democratic challenger John Kerry has focused on what he calls a middle class squeeze of rising health and tuition costs and laid-off workers forced to take lower-paying jobs.

Who will win on the all-important pocketbook issues? Economists aren't sure.

"It is unclear whether voters will remember the past year and the better jobs created during that period or the past four years," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com. "It will be a close call and that is one of the reasons the election could be so close."

Assessing the economy at midyear, most private economists are sticking with the optimistic forecasts they had six months ago, even though inflation, driven by surging energy prices, rose higher than expected and the Federal Reserve started raising interest rates last month.

"We are looking for a darn good year despite the fact that we had a big jump in oil prices and interest rates are going up faster than people thought would occur," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York.

Offsetting those drags on the economy has been stronger growth in Japan and China, which helps U.S. exports, better-than-expected consumer spending and much better job growth than analysts were expecting as the year began.

The economy has now created 1.5 million new jobs since last August, compared with a loss of 2.7 million jobs in the previous 29 months, when the country was struggling with a string of blows from a collapsing stock market to a recession and terrorist attacks.

Even with the 10 months of consecutive job gains, Bush is still facing a 1.2 million jobs deficit, from the last peak for employment in March 2001.

However, many analysts anticipate the economy will generate around 200,000 jobs per month over the next six months, a pace that would be enough to erase his deficit figure by the end of the year. That would enable him to escape being the only president since Herbert Hoover in the Great Depression to have lost jobs while in office.

Although the economy created only 112,000 jobs in June, after averaging 304,000 jobs for the previous three months, analysts expect strong job growth the rest of this year.

They predict the unemployment rate - stuck at 5.6 percent for most of this year - will improve gradually, to 5.3 percent by December, as a strengthening job market draws people back into the labor force.

Analysts also are optimistic about inflation in the months ahead, noting that oil prices recently retreated from peaks above $42 per barrel in June, and regular gasoline have declined from highs over $2 a gallon in late May. If the trend continues, inflation pressures will be eased.

The Bond Market Association's economic advisory committee, made up of economists from large financial institutions, is predicting that consumer prices will rise 3.1 percent for all of this year, a significant moderation from the 5.1 percent rate of increase through May.

The group projects overall GDP growth will be at a 20-year high of 4.7 percent, based in part on a belief that the Fed will keep to its pledge of moderation in future rate hikes because of the absence of inflation pressures.
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Doesn't look good for the Democratic ticket focused on domestic issues (the selection of John Edwards is purely domestic). Foregin policy is more likely to drive the upcoming elections, and despite what some might say serving 4-months in Vietnam as a junior officer does not a stunning resume make.
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This isn't news. When you live on your credit cards, life will be pretty good for a while. Until the bills start coming in and the collection agencies start calling, anyway.

In case the analogy is not obvious, George W. Bush is deficit-spending his way to glory. His thinking is that the deficit will swiftly obliterate itself as revenue from increased economic growth eclipses it. The question is whether the growth purchased by this deficit spending will be large enough to accomplish this feat, particularly in light of the magnitude of the deficit.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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Augustus wrote:Doesn't look good for the Democratic ticket focused on domestic issues (the selection of John Edwards is purely domestic). Foregin policy is more likely to drive the upcoming elections, and despite what some might say serving 4-months in Vietnam as a junior officer does not a stunning resume make.
Better than someone who was AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.
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I'm reminded of the political-economic cycle.

In simple terms, spend big during election years and prop the economy up....

---------- but after all these years, I wonder how much control governments have with respect to the economy anyway....
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Daltonator wrote:
Augustus wrote:Doesn't look good for the Democratic ticket focused on domestic issues (the selection of John Edwards is purely domestic). Foregin policy is more likely to drive the upcoming elections, and despite what some might say serving 4-months in Vietnam as a junior officer does not a stunning resume make.
Better than someone who was AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.
Unless there's footage of Kerry raping babies on Sampans or something, there's no way that anything he's done in the past can even remotely compare to this moronic Iraq fiasco.
Counting wounded, aren't we up to nearly 5,000 casualties now? :x
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I dunno, those people in Iraq seem pretty happy about the SLOW but assured road to a nation for the people...
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Joe wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.
Same here.

If it does happen, I hope to the Gods that jobs will be easier to come by than dirt, because now they're like hen's teeth unless you go the Burger Flipper route which I intend to avoid at all costs.
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desertjedi wrote:I dunno, those people in Iraq seem pretty happy about the SLOW but assured road to a nation for the people...
Yeah, and just wait until the American people stop subsidizing their gasoline taxes and they have to start paying more than a dollar to gas up their tanks. Then I'm sure they'll be really happy.
Augustus wrote:Doesn't look good for the Democratic ticket focused on domestic issues (the selection of John Edwards is purely domestic). Foregin policy is more likely to drive the upcoming elections, and despite what some might say serving 4-months in Vietnam as a junior officer does not a stunning resume make.
Neither does being an alcoholic, religious fundamentalist coke-head who's coasted through life on daddy's money with no foreign policy experience to speak of before becoming president.
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There is a good, short german phrase for Bush's policy concerning the debt of the U.S.:
"Alles auf Pump."
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Neither does being an alcoholic, religious fundamentalist coke-head who's coasted through life on daddy's money with no foreign policy experience to speak of before becoming president.
I don't think Kerry or Edwards has that much experience when it comes to foreign policy either. Hell Edwards is a Junior Senator... not very experience in domestic or foreign policies. That is the great thing about America isn't it? Even if you were a supposed drug addict that went AWOL, you too can become POTUS. Hell we had a cripple in the 40's, a peanut farmer in the 70s, and a no name governor from Arkansas in the 90s as presidents too! It takes all kinds to run this country, including a Senator who is married to a VERY rich woman... so let's not being rich be an issue here.
Yeah, and just wait until the American people stop subsidizing their gasoline taxes and they have to start paying more than a dollar to gas up their tanks. Then I'm sure they'll be really happy.
I wasn't aware that America was subsidizing gas taxes for the Iraqis or am I reading your post wrong? Man too much coffee this AM.
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desertjedi wrote: I wasn't aware that America was subsidizing gas taxes for the Iraqis or am I reading your post wrong? Man too much coffee this AM.
You are subidizing the gas prices.
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Thinkmarble wrote:
desertjedi wrote: I wasn't aware that America was subsidizing gas taxes for the Iraqis or am I reading your post wrong? Man too much coffee this AM.
You are subidizing the gas prices.
Yes.. and I think the US is even shipping it in from Jordan or Quwait, aren't we?
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I was hoping someone would post an article or something... not aht I don't believe you, but the bitch is in the details... or is it the Devil.. anyways, details man... I need details....
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Ariel Cohen wrote:Thanks to the drop in Iraqi production, U.S. taxpayers are currently subsidizing the $6 billion Iraqi budget administered by Paul Bremer's Coalition Authority — to the tune of 50 percent for the 2004 fiscal year. A boost in oil production would both remedy this situation and give the Iraqi people new hope.
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desertjedi wrote:I don't think Kerry or Edwards has that much experience when it comes to foreign policy either. Hell Edwards is a Junior Senator... not very experience in domestic or foreign policies. That is the great thing about America isn't it? Even if you were a supposed drug addict that went AWOL, you too can become POTUS. Hell we had a cripple in the 40's, a peanut farmer in the 70s, and a no name governor from Arkansas in the 90s as presidents too! It takes all kinds to run this country, including a Senator who is married to a VERY rich woman... so let's not being rich be an issue here.
Being rich isn't the issue here. Coasting through life on daddy's connections and money is. You think Bush was smart enough to get into Yale all on his own? Every business he's ever touched has gone to shit, and he's supposed to have a MBA from Yale. Does this tell you the guy learned much during his time there? Before 9/11, he was well on his way to being a mediocre president with a failing social security plan and no real power to speak of. He was set to add "Doing absolutely nothing while president except giving $300 checks to some taxpayers" to his long list of completely unremarkable achievements.

Sure, you could argue that Kerry is currently coasting on his wife's money, but he actually worked for a living prior to marrying her. The guy served in Vietnam, and his service record is full of nothing but praise from his superiors.

So don't pull this "It takes all kinds" garbage as some sort of excuse for Bush's utter incompetence. It's a bullshit argument, and you know it.
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Look 've said it before and I'll say it again, I am definitely not a Bush fan, but to talk so lowly about someone who had a better opportunities then the other guy is at best childish. So what if he coasted on daddy's money? Does that make him a bad guy? Hell no. If I had a rich family I would use my daddy's coattails to provide myself the best opportunities to succeed so I could go out on my own someday. Daddy didn't get him elected, hell Daddy lost his second running.

As for the "it takes all kinds bit"? It wasn't an arguement, it was me being fasicious.

Oh and thanks for the link, I'll definitely be reading that tomight.
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desertjedi wrote:Look 've said it before and I'll say it again, I am definitely not a Bush fan, but to talk so lowly about someone who had a better opportunities then the other guy is at best childish. So what if he coasted on daddy's money? Does that make him a bad guy?
It makes him lazy. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and everything was given to him, despite the fact that he didn't earn any of it. Such people are generally regarded with contempt because they have no real concept of working for what you have.
Hell no. If I had a rich family I would use my daddy's coattails to provide myself the best opportunities to succeed so I could go out on my own someday. Daddy didn't get him elected, hell Daddy lost his second running.
Ah, so it's acceptable for Daddy to bribe an Ivy League school with charitable donations so that you'll get in, no matter how obviously unqualified you are? That's really fair to the other applicants, you fucking idiot. Do you honestly not see the problem with being given something that you did not work to earn and are not entitled to (like admission to an Ivy League university) at the expense of others?
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desertjedi wrote:So what if he coasted on daddy's money? Does that make him a bad guy? Hell no.
Yes. He would have been a complete failure (and in fact, he was, throughout much of his life) if not for Daddy repeatedly bailing him out and propping him up.
If I had a rich family I would use my daddy's coattails to provide myself the best opportunities to succeed so I could go out on my own someday.
And that's NOT what Shrubby did. Instead, he did coke and drove drunk and partied and lost shitloads of money and failed at business and played at being toy soldier without really meaning any of it, and then later in his life he finally decided to switch to fucking up other peoples' lives instead of his own.
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Ah, so it's acceptable for Daddy to bribe an Ivy League school with charitable donations so that you'll get in, no matter how obviously unqualified you are? That's really fair to the other applicants, you fucking idiot. Do you honestly not see the problem with being given something that you did not work to earn and are not entitled to (like admission to an Ivy League university) at the expense of others?
If you have proof Daddy bribed the school, show me. Alot of money is given to schools through charitable donations and it's easy to call it a bribe. If there is proof that Bush was unqualified then show me, making all these accusations without a shred of evidence is what I am arguing, not the "good" of Bush.

It's nice to see that some people have to use "colorful metaphors" to make an arguement. If you have some shred of evidence, show me and I will read it and make a conclusion on his character. The only reason for this exchange is the fact you are spouting all this without proof.
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Dubya had a C average and he somehow got into the graduate business school at Yale; generally, students with C averages can't get into graduate business schools ANYWHERE decent, let alone friggin' Yale. Charitable donations from the Bush family is the likely explanation.
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desertjedi wrote:If you have proof Daddy bribed the school, show me. Alot of money is given to schools through charitable donations and it's easy to call it a bribe. If there is proof that Bush was unqualified then show me, making all these accusations without a shred of evidence is what I am arguing, not the "good" of Bush.
He graduated with a C-average and got into Yale anyway. No Big 10 school would take a C student for their masters programs, much less Ivy League schools.

Then he ruined every business he was ever head of. Normally, business drool over Yale business school graduates, but no one would want this guy within 10 miles of their board of directors. Gee, I fucking wonder why. Maybe he wasn't Yale material? He was clearly unqualified for admission. But of course, that's not a big deal to you. He was just using his father's connections to give himself the best opportunities in areas where he would have otherwise failed completely.
It's nice to see that some people have to use "colorful metaphors" to make an arguement. If you have some shred of evidence, show me and I will read it and make a conclusion on his character. The only reason for this exchange is the fact you are spouting all this without proof.
Oh shut the fuck up, you little pansy. If you can't put two and two together and figure out that Dubya was obviously unqualified for Yale (much less the business school), that's your problem. But don't come crying when you get called names for making asinine comments like " If I had a rich family I would use my daddy's coattails to provide myself the best opportunities to succeed so I could go out on my own someday" and "So what if he coasted on daddy's money?"
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Joe wrote:Dubya had a C average and he somehow got into the graduate business school at Yale; generally, students with C averages can't get into graduate business schools ANYWHERE decent, let alone friggin' Yale. Charitable donations from the Bush family is the likely explanation.
I doubt that they needed to make charitable donations. Usually, schools are willing to take the children of former presidents simply for the publicity and political clout that they bring.
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Umm, Bush the Elder wasn't President until Dubya had been out of school for almost 15 years. :wink:
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Joe wrote:Umm, Bush the Elder wasn't President until Dubya had been out of school for almost 15 years. :wink:
He was, however, already massively powerful in business groups and political circles.
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