Hyperdrive question

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-07-08 01:18pm

Does someone know how close to an object with G2-star mass hyperspace-jumps are possiple?

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-07-08 01:45pm

I don't think there's a limit. It's a safety feature that hyperdrives doesn't work in gravity wells. If you disable it, you would presumably be able to jump in gravity wells. Possibly with greater risk the deeper in you are.

But if you ask how close for a standard jump? Hmm.. antigrav range.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-07-08 01:52pm

nightmare wrote:I don't think there's a limit. It's a safety feature that hyperdrives doesn't work in gravity wells. If you disable it, you would presumably be able to jump in gravity wells. Possibly with greater risk the deeper in you are.

But if you ask how close for a standard jump? Hmm.. antigrav range.

Lets change my question.
How close to a G2-star can a ship entering or leaving hyperspace.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-08 02:12pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote:Lets change my question.
How close to a G2-star can a ship entering or leaving hyperspace.

IIRC there was a ship that entered hyperspace inside the event horizon of a black hole, but I'm not sure

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-07-08 02:56pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Luzifer's right hand wrote:Lets change my question.
How close to a G2-star can a ship entering or leaving hyperspace.
IIRC there was a ship that entered hyperspace inside the event horizon of a black hole, but I'm not sure

That's interesting.
Was this this ship somehow protected against time dilation or did it return "many" years after it entered the event horizon?

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2004-07-08 07:40pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:
Luzifer's right hand wrote:Lets change my question.
How close to a G2-star can a ship entering or leaving hyperspace.
IIRC there was a ship that entered hyperspace inside the event horizon of a black hole, but I'm not sure
That's interesting.
Was this this ship somehow protected against time dilation or did it return "many" years after it entered the event horizon?

IIRC SW ships use statis shields to prevent situations like and are necessary to use the hyperdrive

Casmaran · Post by **Casmaran** » 2004-07-09 01:14am

This is my first post here so bear with me.
I have finished reading the 3 part "Han Solo Trilogy" and in part 3 there is allot of talk about making the Kessel run. Between Kessel and Nal Hutta is a a place where sevral black holes exist, the amount I cannot recall, but there is allot of information on navigating this area. At one point Han and a friend, Salla I think have a race and Salla tries a micro jump, only that he proximity to the event horizon and a large star cause her to drop out. The black hole is drawing in plasma from the star and she is cought in the gravatational pull of the star and heading for the plasma ejection.

In this story Navagating thru the mealstorm requires getting as close to the event horizon where the time dialations are the strogest. Han knew that to perform a micro jump near a star or a black hole was suicide he did attempt it while running from Empirial Customs ship, and broke all records for the kessel run.

Intradictor class star destroyers I beleve (ill have to check again) can create artifacial gravity wells that were qouted in the book to be similar to small planets preventing Jump out of a battle.

allso in thies books there is a femal pirate (dont remember her name) she dragged a asteroid into the path of a Comercial cruis ship bringing it out of light speed.

Basically what im saying is, Jumps are possible inside a gravity well, but most modern Hyperdrives equiped with modren nav computers would automatically drop out of light speed outside the system. the larger the star the larger there gravity well. from my reading Hyperdrives really have no say in jump's its the ability of the nav computer to calculate or the highly skill Jedi to get out in a hurry. Han allthough a good pilot would Jump leaving a planet but only to the outer edge of a system and recalcutate his jump route.

Nav computers containe the safty protocols to avoid know gravity wells and stellar cartography. but there are sevral cases where highly skilld pilots use micro jumps inside gravity wells and requires special calculations a Astromech or higher computer can handle. A mistake would cause undesirable results.

edited for spelling, I probably didnt get them al.

Casmaran · Post by **Casmaran** » 2004-07-09 01:26am

One other note, in book three of the Han trilogy there existed Time dilation outside the event horizon, wether that is tru in RL is to be debated, but I just happend to puchace a book today that discussed this and I dont have it on the top of my head at the moment.

In theroy thought I believe that Time dialtion in a real black hole occures well within the event horizon wich by definition is the point where even light cannot escape, how a ship traveling light speed can leave the area is unknown. BUT Han's Falcon had hyperdrives that were tweaked by a person know as "Doc" in the Corprate sector. I'm not sure but he got .2 past the speed of light out of it. if that is so he could escape if he just barly enterd the even horizon. Gravity according to Hawkens increases exponetally inside the event horizon, by inches the gravity would increase 10X or more

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-07-09 02:10am

Casmaran wrote:This is my first post here so bear with me.
I have finished reading the 3 part "Han Solo Trilogy" and in part 3 there is allot of talk about making the Kessel run. Between Kessel and Nal Hutta is a a place where sevral black holes exist, the amount I cannot recall, but there is allot of information on navigating this area. At one point Han and a friend, Salla I think have a race and Salla tries a micro jump, only that he proximity to the event horizon and a large star cause her to drop out. The black hole is drawing in plasma from the star and she is cought in the gravatational pull of the star and heading for the plasma ejection.

It was a pulsar. And it wasn't a black hole, nor was there an event horizon. She got caught by a star gravitional pull and exited hyperspace too close to the star, along with damaged electronics.

In this story Navagating thru the mealstorm requires getting as close to the event horizon where the time dialations are the strogest. Han knew that to perform a micro jump near a star or a black hole was suicide he did attempt it while running from Empirial Customs ship, and broke all records for the kessel run.

I don't think so. He made an impulse run close in the Maw itself, through the Maw cluster.........................................

Intradictor class star destroyers I beleve (ill have to check again) can create artifacial gravity wells that were qouted in the book to be similar to small planets preventing Jump out of a battle.

The working theory is that it isn't the gravity simulation of the planet that prevents the jump. Its the constant gravitational flux of the well that prevents a jump from being effected. A ship hyperdrive is unable to compensate for the constant change in gravitational forces, and to jump into hyperspace would risk destroying the ship should stray forces act on it.

Basically what im saying is, Jumps are possible inside a gravity well, but most modern Hyperdrives equiped with modren nav computers would automatically drop out of light speed outside the system.

Before the Storm, the novel that details the begining of the Yevethan crisis suggest that civilian vessels are dictated by law to enter and drop out of lightspeed in the outer reaches of the system.

One other note, in book three of the Han trilogy there existed Time dilation outside the event horizon, wether that is tru in RL is to be debated, but I just happend to puchace a book today that discussed this and I dont have it on the top of my head at the moment.

It wasn't time dilation. According to Ann C Crisp interpretation, running too close into the Maw actually resulted in the Kessel Run distance being shortened. Probably one of KJA ideas that he passed on....

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2004-07-09 05:36am

It wasn't time dilation. According to Ann C Crisp interpretation, running too close into the Maw actually resulted in the Kessel Run distance being shortened. Probably one of KJA ideas that he passed on....

If you go through or closer to the edge of the maw of course the distance is going to be shortened

Its like following the racing line in formula 1, or taking the inside of a corner rather than that outside, you have less distance to travel

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-07-09 06:15am

Zac Naloen wrote: If you go through or closer to the edge of the maw of course the distance is going to be shortened

Its like following the racing line in formula 1, or taking the inside of a corner rather than that outside, you have less distance to travel

Not that kind of shorten. Shortened as in the distance "disappeared" shortened.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2004-07-09 06:40am

ohh.....

Yeh, that kinda doesn't make sense...

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2004-07-09 08:18am

Ok, I'm going from memory alone here : Curtis Saxton, in his SWTC, estimated the safe engagement distance at about IIRC five Earth diameters ( which gives a gravfield of 0.7 m/s² - just calculate the distance to the star using g=GM/r² ).

Casmaran · Post by **Casmaran** » 2004-07-09 11:05am

The Maw reduced time and space based on relitivitie rules. Han had no way of knowing the results of his trip untill he left the Maw and was able to reset his cronological clock. While inside warped time and space only a observer outside would notice the diffrence, as somone inside the affected area an parsec is still a parsec.

Speaking of parsecs Han use it as a refrence to time, I thought it was a refrence to distance, could it be both? in human mesurements time and distance is a combo to indicate speed. i.e. MPH. What is a parsec could someone clarify?

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-07-09 11:09am

Casmaran wrote:The Maw reduced time and space based on relitivitie rules. Han had no way of knowing the results of his trip untill he left the Maw and was able to reset his cronological clock. While inside warped time and space only a observer outside would notice the diffrence, as somone inside the affected area an parsec is still a parsec.

Speaking of parsecs Han use it as a refrence to time, I thought it was a refrence to distance, could it be both? in human mesurements time and distance is a combo to indicate speed. i.e. MPH. What is a parsec could someone clarify?

A Parsec is about 3.26 light-years.

Parsec

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-07-09 12:33pm

Casmaran wrote:The Maw reduced time and space based on relitivitie rules. Han had no way of knowing the results of his trip untill he left the Maw and was able to reset his cronological clock. While inside warped time and space only a observer outside would notice the diffrence, as somone inside the affected area an parsec is still a parsec.

Speaking of parsecs Han use it as a refrence to time, I thought it was a refrence to distance, could it be both? in human mesurements time and distance is a combo to indicate speed. i.e. MPH. What is a parsec could someone clarify?

1. So...... there's distance dilation now?

2. Parsecs is used as a reference to speed. Not time. Which of course, is bogus. Retcon suggests that its related to speed, because the faster the craft, the closer it can go near or into the maw, which shortens the distances involved.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-07-09 01:00pm

The Nomad wrote:Ok, I'm going from memory alone here : Curtis Saxton, in his SWTC, estimated the safe engagement distance at about IIRC five Earth diameters ( which gives a gravfield of 0.7 m/s² - just calculate the distance to the star using g=GM/r² ).

Heh, that's one of the few times I seen that unit of measurement flying around...............

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-07-09 07:38pm

PainRack wrote:
Casmaran wrote:Salla I think have a race and Salla tries a micro jump, only that he proximity to the event horizon and a large star cause her to drop out.
It was a pulsar. And it wasn't a black hole, nor was there an event horizon. She got caught by a star gravitional pull and exited hyperspace too close to the star, along with damaged electronics.

Salla's ship was within a thousand kilometers from the neutron star when Han found her.