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Pablo Sanchez wrote:As I will be gone once again until Friday and this demands a quick decision, I think that Marcao will be co-moderator; unless there are some major objections. The thread is also being watched by the forum moderators, I am told.

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Alyrium Denryle wrote:bomber-style ball turret in the back
I'm going to assume that you mean a small point defense turret; putting a turret big enough to hold a person on a fighter just isn't a good idea. A great addition to a fleet's point defense count, but on its own not quite as effective.
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read my OOB, it is computer controlled. In fact, my fighters are unmanned, but rather use a computer brain.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:read my OOB, it is computer controlled. In fact, my fighters are unmanned, but rather use a computer brain.
I do not see that anywhere in your OOB. It does mention the point defense turret under computer control, but nothing else. Also, while that is certainly reasonable, I can't see why you'd want to do that, but whatever floats your boat.
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Wow, for once, internet problems that didn't strike at the worst possible time. I'd like to post the following list of most likely assassination plotters to take over in the event of my absence:

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Has everybody put their nations and fleets up in the new OOB thread?

It's right Hi! there.

Also, anyone know where I can find a good pic of crossed rifles?
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I'll be away for the most part of the weekend, and won't be able to post most likely.
So, if anything is happening, Marcao has control, and Hotfoot as second in command :)
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:"Captain Nevir, I am picking up low level energy spikes. ECM from the cities are weak out at this range, I think it is from a spotter, tracing it now"
you really should read my posts more carefully Alyrium. Not only do I have active an untouched ECM generators in the cities, but I have them all over the damned country side. That is the only way to keep my mobile forces from getting pwned by your orbital superiority. As such, your decision to NOT engage my ECM forces at all either through EMP or ARM usage, will cost you. Furthermore, the spotters are using UV targetting lasers, that are not going to show up via dust, so feel free to try again.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:"Those were balistic missiles, tracing their trajectories(doable with simple trig). Here are the coordinates, give them to the railgun batteries"
Even if you have mm wave fire finding radar (which exist today) or anything similar, you are going to have to get through the massive amounts of ECM that the pirate forces are putting out. Tracking them with the interference, chaff and ECM generators that I have put out will be far more difficult than you seem to suggest.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:OOC: The point defense we use is better than that, and is capable of flak-bursting check the OOB occasionally

The rockets were sub-kiloton, and didnt really scratch the shields, which were mean to withstand nuclear weapon bombardment. However they did tie up the point defense.
I am well aware of your OOB aly, but what you seem to be lacking is that these ships are facing a great deal of ECM. Furthermore, these troop transports point defense flak mode or not, is going to have to contend with a great deal of stress. I dislike the idea that your "uber" shields will simply protect you from anything other than orbital bombardment. I don't think anyone else will go for that either. I have no problem believing that your shields and point defense are potent, but they are not going to make you invulnerable to losses, especially in a situation when I have electronic superiority over your forces.

You are quite correct in noting that a third of the rockets, were composed of kiloton range nuclear weapons. However, another third had megatonne range x-ray laser warheads which can afford to be that powerful, since they are not omnidirectional. Like any competent military, I am turning your little landing zone into a pocket of hell. Under normal circumstances, you SHOULD have EMP'ed the cities, you should have HARM'ed all active ECM/RADAR sites and you should have landed as close to the cities as possible. You did not, and now you are reaping the penalties for those mistakes.

I plan on downright ignoring a great deal of your post, unless you can somehow addres my concerns.
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Even if you have mm wave fire finding radar (which exist today) or anything similar, you are going to have to get through the massive amounts of ECM that the pirate forces are putting out. Tracking them with the interference, chaff and ECM generators that I have put out will be far more difficult than you seem to suggest.
Dude, they were ballistic, that means they have an arc, and using an optical scanner and a computer from the 1950s you can figure ot where those shells and ballistc rockets came from. No active scanning required. ECM and chaff wont do anything against light.

you really should read my posts more carefully Alyrium. Not only do I have active an untouched ECM generators in the cities, but I have them all over the damned country side. That is the only way to keep my mobile forces from getting pwned by your orbital superiority. As such, your decision to NOT engage my ECM forces at all either through EMP or ARM usage, will cost you. Furthermore, the spotters are using UV targetting lasers, that are not going to show up via dust, so feel free to try again.


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I am well aware of your OOB aly, but what you seem to be lacking is that these ships are facing a great deal of ECM. Furthermore, these troop transports point defense flak mode or not, is going to have to contend with a great deal of stress. I dislike the idea that your "uber" shields will simply protect you from anything other than orbital bombardment. I don't think anyone else will go for that either. I have no problem believing that your shields and point defense are potent, but they are not going to make you invulnerable to losses, especially in a situation when I have electronic superiority over your forces.
Being destroyed in a single volley of tac nukes defeats the purpose of having a shield. Flak bursting plasma that detonates in a 60 meter burst is not doing to be pleasant for any missile. Your numbers stand for now, I just like putting in"It cold have been worse" into my posts.

And again, electronic superiority means nothing against an optical scanner which uses IR, UV and visual light.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Dude, they were ballistic, that means they have an arc, and using an optical scanner and a computer from the 1950s you can figure ot where those shells and ballistc rockets came from. No active scanning required. ECM and chaff wont do anything against light.
If you are utilizing purely passive means of detecting the incoming salvos by all means, do so. I will play it as being far less efficient than a dedicated active system such as millimeter wave radar.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Being destroyed in a single volley of tac nukes defeats the purpose of having a shield. Flak bursting plasma that detonates in a 60 meter burst is not doing to be pleasant for any missile. Your numbers stand for now, I just like putting in"It cold have been worse" into my posts.

And again, electronic superiority means nothing against an optical scanner which uses IR, UV and visual light.
I have already asserted that 1/3 of the weapons employed against you were not merely tactical nukes. These missiles exploded well beyond the target, creating an x-ray laser in the Mt range to gut your forces.

And once again, purely passive means will not do nearly as well as your assertions. Optical scanners which use UV and visual sight are fine and dandy, but accuracy will be poor in comparison to active sensors. You do not get to say "tee hee, I am using das uber optical sensors and thus, all that ECM you are throwing around is rendered useless!"
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HemlockGrey wrote:I am back!
welcome back Hemlock. ^_^!
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Welcome back Hemlock. Have fun.

On a side note folks, posted a fic based on events within the UP in it's wartorn past. Give it a look in the fanfic section.
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Okay, I'd just like to put in that this is beginning to border on ludicrous. I mean, come on, this is a major fleet vs. the space version of Tortuga, here! Pirates with major dedicated ground formations? Why would they have them? I submit that it is patently ridiculous for pirates to invest themselves heavily in a world like this, precisely because they would wish to prevent the current situation. I can see them terrorizing a populace into resupplying and housing them on a semi-permanent basis, but permanently rooting themselves to a planet is suicide.
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Rogue 9 wrote:Okay, I'd just like to put in that this is beginning to border on ludicrous. I mean, come on, this is a major fleet vs. the space version of Tortuga, here! Pirates with major dedicated ground formations? Why would they have them? I submit that it is patently ridiculous for pirates to invest themselves heavily in a world like this, precisely because they would wish to prevent the current situation. I can see them terrorizing a populace into resupplying and housing them on a semi-permanent basis, but permanently rooting themselves to a planet is suicide.
I am working with what I was led to believe. The pirate fleet was capable, composed of 2 dreadnoughts, eight cruisers and one hundred or so escorts. That is roughly equivalent to one of of my own sector fleets. Everything that I have been told, has suggested to me that this is not simply a minor colony with some resupply bases. As far as I am aware of, the pirates are heavily invested in the world and due to this, it is logical that they would have a heavy ground presence.

I agree, that pirate forces have to remain mobile to stay alive. This is why usually bases are asteroid bases or such, and are very temporary. The rebels in the Star Wars saga are a good example of this. However, this is appears to be an unusual case.
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That wasn't aimed entirely at you. I'm not blaming you for having such a large fleet have a well-protected base. At least half of the ridiculousness stems from having such a gigantic pirate flotilla in one place in the first place, which isn't your doing.
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Rogue 9 wrote:That wasn't aimed entirely at you. I'm not blaming you for having such a large fleet have a well-protected base. At least half of the ridiculousness stems from having such a gigantic pirate flotilla in one place in the first place, which isn't your doing.
That is fine, and I just wanted to let you know that I was watching the post and wanted to touch upon your concerns. :) Even now, I am willing to work with the involved parties. If changes are desired to be made to the scope and scale of the pirate world, I am more than willing to accomodate them.
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Oh well. All good, then. :) Either way, all these escapees will make loads of fun for Sixth Fleet as the fleeing pirates need to steal ship parts... Time to start up operation Justice of the Void, I think. (Its something I've been cooking up over vacation, and you'll just have to wait and see what it involves.)
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Rogue 9 wrote:Oh well. All good, then. :) Either way, all these escapees will make loads of fun for Sixth Fleet as the fleeing pirates need to steal ship parts... Time to start up operation Justice of the Void, I think. (Its something I've been cooking up over vacation, and you'll just have to wait and see what it involves.)
I look forward to seeing it! The pirate fleet is still under my control. I have plans for it, oh yes. :wink:
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Rogue 9 wrote:Oh well. All good, then. :) Either way, all these escapees will make loads of fun for Sixth Fleet as the fleeing pirates need to steal ship parts... Time to start up operation Justice of the Void, I think. (Its something I've been cooking up over vacation, and you'll just have to wait and see what it involves.)
I look forward to seeing it! The pirate fleet is still under my control. I have plans for it, oh yes. :wink:
x_x *Steps up patrol patterns around Verling Station, even though the plans probably don't involve me.* (Yeah, I really will do that. Its convoys would be a logical target for supply-starved pirates. The ones out of Pinnacle are juicier, but I don't think these boys are utterly suicidal. :wink:)
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Me is back :)
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Dahak wrote:Me is back :)
And it seems my nation survived :D
welcome back dahak and of course your nation survived. We had your back man. ^_~
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I'm going to try and write a fanfic that covers teh Genocide wars.

I've got a preliminary version of the first chapter (It's a little short though)
ready to go, but i'd like some of the older players (STGOD Mk. 1 vets) to look it over and give me some advice before I post it.

If anyone's willing, just PM me.
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