Yuuchan Vong vs the Old Republic

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-07-13 05:51pm

What if the YV came to the galaxy roughly a thousand years before ANH, how do you think some events would turn out to happen?

Could the Old Republic forces be strong enough to defeat them or YV defeat the OR?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-07-13 07:12pm

The Old Republic had just been fighting an other Jedi vs Sith war.

They might have had the firepower, and certainly had lots of Jedi warriors with military and combat experience.

It would depend on if the Vong hit the Republic directly, or hit the outer rims and built up a power base first

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-13 08:54pm

The old republic had not had a full fledged war since their formation, remember? It'd have to be a lot farther back than 1,000 years.

And we know that the Republic did NOT have an army. Palpatine made one in secret, and it probably paled compared to the Empire (which had a LOT more time to build it) or even the New Republic (which had just FINISHED a war with the Empire). Pre-Ep2, there was no army of the republic. The YV would have stomped them, they would have started constructing an army rapidly, but wouldn't get enough time.

The Old Republic would have all the problems of the new republic (squabbling idiotic senators, lots of territory to defend) with a lot less military power. They'd die.

On the other hand, at the height of the Empire they would have a large army AND a unified government (Palpatine alone can decide to smash the Vong). If they send everything in the moment the Vong bother the Empire, they can take the Vong one by one as they arrive and EASILY smash their Vong rears.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-13 08:59pm

*shrug* they would have 10 times as many Jedi as the New Republic did.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-13 10:03pm

Knife wrote:*shrug* they would have 10 times as many Jedi as the New Republic did.

Yeah, but that would make the YV 10 times more eager to slaughter the. Besides, the keys elements to the YV Empire's collapse (Vergere, Zonama Sekot, the Skywalkers/Solos) were either not in place or not even born, so how the OR would deal with the YV remains to be seen - though I'll concede that they would have had a better shot than the NR in the first 2 years of the invasion.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-07-13 10:20pm

JME2 wrote:
Knife wrote:*shrug* they would have 10 times as many Jedi as the New Republic did.
Yeah, but that would make the YV 10 times more eager to slaughter the. Besides, the keys elements to the YV Empire's collapse (Vergere, Zonama Sekot, the Skywalkers/Solos) were either not in place or not even born, so how the OR would deal with the YV remains to be seen - though I'll concede that they would have had a better shot than the NR in the first 2 years of the invasion.

Well, the fact that the OR had many, many more Jedi across the galaxy would have made it rather difficult for the the Vong to establish a foothold. Remember that it only took a few Jedi knowing about Helska to royally mess that up, and they had also thwarted other plans.

The Old Republic may not have had a unified military to speak of, but each planet/sector still had their own defenses. In the NR era, those planetary/sector defense fleets were rather decimated from the war, and the NR Navy was trying desperately to fill in the holes. I'm pretty sure that the Jedi, with the help of the Supreme Chancellor, could at least get a couple sectors to cooperate in fighting back a localized Vong incursion...

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-07-13 10:39pm

The Old Republic would have all the problems of the new republic (squabbling idiotic senators, lots of territory to defend) with a lot less military power.

Didn't the republic have a navy?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-14 12:53am

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:

The Old Republic would have all the problems of the new republic (squabbling idiotic senators, lots of territory to defend) with a lot less military power.
Didn't the republic have a navy?

AOTC shows that the Jedi Order was all the OR had in terms of armed forces, though they surely must have had some kind of smaller navy, as seen with the Republic ships in TPM.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-07-14 03:49am

The Jedi were the official peacekeeping force of the Republic, but each sector maintained an independent armed force, akin to militias. I think.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-07-14 03:59am

ICS firmly establishes that all larger systems have rather powerful defense fleets but that they are rather short on range and consumables. So no long campaigns for the moment, but defense should be okay.

FOG3 · Post by **FOG3** » 2004-07-14 12:35pm

JME2 wrote:
Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:

The Old Republic would have all the problems of the new republic (squabbling idiotic senators, lots of territory to defend) with a lot less military power.
Didn't the republic have a navy?
AOTC shows that the Jedi Order was all the OR had in terms of armed forces, though they surely must have had some kind of smaller navy, as seen with the Republic ships in TPM.

They did have a fleet of Dreadnoughts before AOTC.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-07-14 12:53pm

FOG3 wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote: Didn't the republic have a navy?
AOTC shows that the Jedi Order was all the OR had in terms of armed forces, though they surely must have had some kind of smaller navy, as seen with the Republic ships in TPM.
They did have a fleet of Dreadnoughts before AOTC.

Aren't Dreadnoughts fairly weak and inefficient compared to ISDs? Even VSDs I thought.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-07-14 01:33pm

It was pretty powerful in it's time. The VSD and ISD that replaced it only came witht he rise of the Empire. In the thrawn Trilogy 3 Dreadnaughts managed to put an ISD on the back foot IIRC.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-14 01:36pm

Dreadnaughts were powerful at the time, but don't forget, the Vong travelled for thousands of years and therefore they would have had the same technology if they arrived a during the old republic or new republic.