Most innovative composer.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-29 01:12am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote: I have to agree the ninth is generally my favorite piece of music. And he was innovative for his time. But Liszt, IMO, was more innovative. He really changed the way music was composed and performed. He broke away from Beethoven's structure and made an entirely new one which is the basis for virtually all orchestrations today.

i can see that--i guess i just don't personally care for liszt much (sorry). i had to play too much of his stuff that was written just to show off how awesome he was, and it sort of turned me off to him. lots of fluff and not enough substance. but i can see how you could feel that way about him. he knew his shit.

oh! one more contribution! hector berlioz! totally taught himself how to compose, came up with that whole col legno thing, and wrote one of the coolest pieces ("symphonie fantastique") ever. got in lots of trouble for putting the sacred 'dies irae' in a secular piece--was the first to mix the two. he rocks.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-29 01:20am

Hmm....what pieces of his did you play? Did you ever play the Mephisto Waltz?

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-29 01:47am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Not familiar with his works. Could you explain why?
Because she's a total genius.

She's done the following:

Cowboy Bebop
Turn-A Gundam
Macross Plus
Escaflowne
Brain Powerd

She seems to be able to do virtually any genre; be it jazz or orchistration.

I really can't describe how she is. She's just that good.

And she did the end theme for Jin_Roh. That is one of the saddest songs EVER considering the ending.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-29 02:01am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote: Hmm....what pieces of his did you play? Did you ever play the Mephisto Waltz?

ok, it's been a few years since i was a piano major (switched to percussion--but that's a longish story so i'll spare you)--i did 'hungarian rhapsody #2', 'les jeux' (can't remember the full title--piece is hard as hell), and 4 or 5 others (if you really want to know, i'm sure i can find my assignment book from freshman/sophomore year). but no, i did not play mephisto. i am downloading it now, because i am curious. i didn't mean to offend you by calling his music fluff--but to me, compared to beethoven--!!! ahh. there is a huge difference. and i'm not talking about the mainstream stuff, either. like 'string quartet no. 14, opus 131'--ahh, le sigh... heart-wrenchingly gorgeous. que bella.

OH! just remembered one liszt i liked. 'nuages gris'--not at all like the other stuff i played by him. beautifully simple. loved it. do you know it?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-29 03:23am

Bach, Holst, Dvorak, Grieg....Bach was period the greatest composer that ever lived. Holst wrote the Planets--that's explanation enough. Dvorak and Grieg always used new forms in their music, always incorporating different styles and methods. They all write truly beautiful music.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-29 05:29pm

Zaia wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote: Hmm....what pieces of his did you play? Did you ever play the Mephisto Waltz?
ok, it's been a few years since i was a piano major (switched to percussion--but that's a longish story so i'll spare you)--i did 'hungarian rhapsody #2', 'les jeux' (can't remember the full title--piece is hard as hell), and 4 or 5 others (if you really want to know, i'm sure i can find my assignment book from freshman/sophomore year). but no, i did not play mephisto. i am downloading it now, because i am curious. i didn't mean to offend you by calling his music fluff--but to me, compared to beethoven--!!! ahh. there is a huge difference. and i'm not talking about the mainstream stuff, either. like 'string quartet no. 14, opus 131'--ahh, le sigh... heart-wrenchingly gorgeous. que bella.

OH! just remembered one liszt i liked. 'nuages gris'--not at all like the other stuff i played by him. beautifully simple. loved it. do you know it?

Nope. I'll see if I can download it.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-29 05:30pm

Oh yeah, you should try playing (if you still play at all) is Hungarian Rhapsody #11.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-29 08:11pm

Hrm.....looks like I'm gonna haveta dl some Liszt....

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-29 11:31pm

IMO, out of all his works that I have listened to so far, his best are Les Preludes, Liebestraum, Mephisto Waltz, Hungarian Rhapsody #2, and Hungarian Rhapsody #11. I've tried dlling #11, but I can't find it anywhere. The only times I've heard it were at a piano recital when my piano teacher played it.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-30 02:15am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Oh yeah, you should try playing (if you still play at all) is Hungarian Rhapsody #11.

i do indeed still play, although i suck hardcore now compared to what i used to be able to do. but don't get me wrong, i could NEVER do the flashy liszt stuff the way it was intended--i was never good enough.

there are some pieces that i am going to try to find in sheet music soon (like gershwin's 'lullaby,' orig. piano solo version), so i can see if i can find #11 and if it's not too much (i'm still in the 'poor university student' mode) i can get it along with my gershwin.... i liked #2, if i can remember that long ago......

ok, i can't be the only one, can i? does anyone else here play?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-30 02:16am

I think it was Wagner.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-30 05:05pm

Zaia wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Oh yeah, you should try playing (if you still play at all) is Hungarian Rhapsody #11.
i do indeed still play, although i suck hardcore now compared to what i used to be able to do. but don't get me wrong, i could NEVER do the flashy liszt stuff the way it was intended--i was never good enough.

there are some pieces that i am going to try to find in sheet music soon (like gershwin's 'lullaby,' orig. piano solo version), so i can see if i can find #11 and if it's not too much (i'm still in the 'poor university student' mode) i can get it along with my gershwin.... i liked #2, if i can remember that long ago......

ok, i can't be the only one, can i? does anyone else here play?

I don't play, I just listen.

Fortunately there are good symphonies close to where I live.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-30 05:26pm

IG-88E wrote:John Williams. I swear to god, that man can breathe life into ANY instument. He's combined electric guitar with classical for the 'Chase through Coruscant' for example. He's combined choral and symphonic in ways that just send electricity down my spine.

The man can write power, love, fear, hate, ANYTHING into his music.

I'll second that 100%. I'd also say Jerry Goldsmith. I love his use of Classic symphony and Syth sounds.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-30 09:47pm

I've been playing the piano for around ten years.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-30 09:51pm

I've played violin for 8.5, and viola for 5

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-30 11:24pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I've been playing the piano for around ten years.

sweet. is liszt your favourite to play? i think i'd have to go with chopin for that...

and.....*drum roll*

[pardon me if i'm not doing this whole double-message-in-one-post-thing correctly, but i'm still a newbie and can rely on that until i learn the ways of the clan--at least, i hope i can do that. no one is going to hurt me if i'm wrong, are they? ARE THEY?!?!! hehehe...just kidding.... i hope.

]

verilon wrote:I've played violin for 8.5, and viola for 5

awesome--i absolutely LOVE the sound of the viola!

que bella!

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-30 11:25pm

Zaia wrote:
verilon wrote:I've played violin for 8.5, and viola for 5
awesome--i absolutely LOVE the sound of the viola! que bella!

Ditto!

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-30 11:31pm

Actually I haven't learned a single Liszt piece.

I guess my teacher doesn't think I'm good enough. lol I have a book of his music that someone got me for a present, but I never really looked at it because I'm very busy learning new pieces my teacher gives me. I play Chopin, Beethoven, Mozart, Cramer, Bach, still learning Brahms, still learning Rachmaninoff, Schumann, and...well can't think of other composers I've played before as of now. Oh yeah, and Williams. (Imperial March and Main Title)

The most difficult piece I can play is the Revolutionary Etude. I'm almost done learning it, but I still have to get the tempo up after I finish learning the fingering.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-30 11:50pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Actually I haven't learned a single Liszt piece.

????????????!!!!!!!! lol

cute.

remember that piece i told you about--'nuages gris?' it's like less than 50 measures or something and pretty easy to play, if you want to try it. now, it doens't sound anything like his more popular pieces, but i like it (not that that means anything to you, since you don't know me from eve, but...yeah). it's kind of eerily creepy, and at the end there's a quote from wagner, which is cool... could be a good first piece to do of his...maybe...?

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-30 11:52pm

Quote from Wagner, eh? Or perhaps it was Wagner's quote from Liszt, considering his entire "ring" was based on Liszt's innovations?

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-30 11:53pm

And yes, I think I'll try learning that. But could you give me the No. and Op. please? It'll make it easier for me to download. I tried looking for it but did not find anything at all.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-31 12:41am

try looking under 'eyes wide shut'--it was used in the movie (it's also sometimes listed as 'grey clouds' instead of 'nuages gris'). and i can't find an opus number or anything for it--it's not part of a larger collection. it's just it's own little piece.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:42am

Who did the music for Moulin Rouge?

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-10-31 01:06am

verilon wrote:Who did the music for Moulin Rouge?

umm, lots of people. lots o' covers. the idea was baz luhrmann's, the guy who came up with the whole movie concept, if that's what you mean....

but if you mean more specifically:

1. Lady Marmalade (Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mya and Pink)
2. Diamond Dogs (Beck with Timbaland)
3. Children Of The Revolution (Bono, Gavin Friday and Maurice Seezer)
4. Nature Boy (David Bowie and Massive Attack )
5. Le Tango de Roxanne (Cast w/ Jose Felicaino )
6. Because We Can (Fatboy Slim )
7. Sparkling Diamonds (Nicole Kidman )
8. One Day I'll Fly Away (Nicole Kidman)
9. Rhythm Of The Night (Valeria)
10. Hindi Sad Diamonds (Nicole Kidman w/ Cast )
11. Your Song (Ewan McGregor )
12. Elephant Love Medley (Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman )
13. Come What May (Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman)
14. Compliante de la Butte (Rufus Wainwright )
15. Lady Marmalade (Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mya and Pink Thunderpuss Radio Mix )

5 and 12 are two of my personal favourites. hope this helps!

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 01:08am

Zaia wrote:
verilon wrote:Who did the music for Moulin Rouge?
umm, lots of people. lots o' covers. the idea was baz luhrmann's, the guy who came up with the whole movie concept, if that's what you mean....

but if you mean more specifically:

1. Lady Marmalade (Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mya and Pink)
2. Diamond Dogs (Beck with Timbaland)
3. Children Of The Revolution (Bono, Gavin Friday and Maurice Seezer)
4. Nature Boy (David Bowie and Massive Attack )
5. Le Tango de Roxanne (Cast w/ Jose Felicaino )
6. Because We Can (Fatboy Slim )
7. Sparkling Diamonds (Nicole Kidman )
8. One Day I'll Fly Away (Nicole Kidman)
9. Rhythm Of The Night (Valeria)
10. Hindi Sad Diamonds (Nicole Kidman w/ Cast )
11. Your Song (Ewan McGregor )
12. Elephant Love Medley (Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman )
13. Come What May (Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman)
14. Compliante de la Butte (Rufus Wainwright )
15. Lady Marmalade (Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mya and Pink Thunderpuss Radio Mix )

5 and 12 are two of my personal favourites. hope this helps!

Agenda:

First: watch movie
Second: Buy soundtrack