SW subspace Vs ST subspace

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-07-17 01:08am

Any of you have a problem seeing the two subspaces as the same? I bring this up because over at sb.com in the Borg vs Empire thread, a guy named Vivftp keeps bringing up that the two are different and that the Empire would then be unable to detect Borg ships traveling in transwarp.

Here is a page that has some of the arguments in it.

I am posting this here to gain an outside perspective on the two subspaces.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-07-17 06:26am

There doesn't seem to be any examination of what the alleged differences are, just that they exist. I did notice quite a few No Limits Fallacies in that thread, however.

Terr Fangbite · Post by **Terr Fangbite** » 2004-07-17 01:02pm

I'm inclined to believe this borg fanatic to be an idiot. He doesn't provide any evidence to support his claims and although I can agree that transwarp gates (or whatever they are called) can get you from a to b faster he neglets to even discuss the placement of such gates and how easy they are for a simple star destroyer to unload its cannons into it and destroy it. That would put this "borg supirority" in its place. Yah those gates are nifty, but they can't outbest the hyperdrive.
And in regards to subspace, where does he provide the evidence for the seperation? I always thought they were the same in the universes.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-07-17 01:24pm

Patrick Degan wrote:There doesn't seem to be any examination of what the alleged differences are, just that they exist. I did notice quite a few No Limits Fallacies in that thread, however.

We have pointed out many of them, yet they don't seem to get it.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-07-17 01:26pm

Terr Fangbite wrote:I'm inclined to believe this borg fanatic to be an idiot. He doesn't provide any evidence to support his claims and although I can agree that transwarp gates (or whatever they are called) can get you from a to b faster he neglets to even discuss the placement of such gates and how easy they are for a simple star destroyer to unload its cannons into it and destroy it. That would put this "borg supirority" in its place. Yah those gates are nifty, but they can't outbest the hyperdrive.
And in regards to subspace, where does he provide the evidence for the seperation? I always thought they were the same in the universes.

He doesn't provide any proof except for one quotein TNG saying that there are infinite layers of ST subspace. But in the Essential guide it says the an ISD can scan all of the subspace spectrum in less then 3 hours. Anywho, I provided all evidence I had for SW subspace and when I told him to post all of his, he merely says he's not going to take the time to go through it all.

Not to mention he hasn't seen a lick of SW, he admitted to this in the early parts of the thread.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-07-17 03:08pm

If they were infinite, how could anyone scan an infinite ammount of anything...or was that just a ST hyperbole? Wouldn't that be similar to counting every real number?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-07-17 04:40pm

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:If they were infinite, how could anyone scan an infinite ammount of anything...or was that just a ST hyperbole? Wouldn't that be similar to counting every real number?

sounds like hyperbole to me. Given that ST equipment tends to be rather underpowered compared to SW, so they simply have probably never exhausted the full subspace spectrum. or just lack the ability to do so. People used to consider the world infinite as well after all.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-07-17 09:01pm

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:If they were infinite, how could anyone scan an infinite ammount of anything...or was that just a ST hyperbole? Wouldn't that be similar to counting every real number?

It's not impossible for both to exist. There are an infinite amount of distances between 0cm and 1cm. Yet a 1cm line would cover all of them.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-07-19 12:30am

Yeah that's the difference between digital and analog

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-19 02:13am

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:If they were infinite, how could anyone scan an infinite ammount of anything...or was that just a ST hyperbole? Wouldn't that be similar to counting every real number?

It is doubtful whether Federation sensors could scan all domains of subspace. In "Voids" Voyeger did not detect the layer of impenetrable subspace seperating real space from the void and hence mistakenly flew into it through a wormhole.