Can Jedi wear armor?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 04:49pm

antitrek wrote:so, there you have it, in Canon as well, Sith/Jedi Can use armour with much of a hinderance.

you have access to a book shop where you live? there area fair few books you can get, where jedi use armour, and of course, you get to read about big explosions, fleets being blown to buggery and such things.

if you havent, may i suggest amazon, or anouther equivilent?

Do you have any hints on what book I should look for (and have those been tralated to finnish( I have in reading english but still...))?

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-07-17 04:54pm

Im unsure about translation to finnsih...#

but the Thrawn Books, and NJO, have a few decent battles in them and they answer your questions about armour

if you have a libary nearby, id suggest trying to find a few books there, its better than paying full price for them

perhaps try a google search for the finnish translations

there is also a fair number of threads in this particuler forum, about what books are good, so have a quick seacrh and your questions will be answered

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-17 05:00pm

On a more serious note, why should armor interfere with a Jedi's force abilities (I'll arbitrarily assume we're searching for an actual problem and not merely the Jedi Dress Code Section III Subsection 17 saying so...)?

The Force is not blocked by any material I know of, and certainly not by those commonly used in body armour (unless we're talking live Ysalamiri)

Agility is a nonissue, as IIRC the only movements needed are running/jumping (for the related Force skills) and the multipurpose handwave, all of which can be done in full StormTrooper armor if need be.
Ditto for lightsaber usage, which is a subset of the above anyway.

Weight is no more of a problem than it is for mundanes, i.e. none worth mentioning, thanks to Wars armor apparently being quite light (StormTroopers don't seem to be all that encumbered...)

EDITed to fix formatting

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-07-17 05:06pm

Blind Faith

because they belive themselfs to be wrapped in the force, that they are immune to most things, perhaps they might think that if they were out in an suit of amour, they mightbe seperarted from the force in some way , making them more vunerable. they mey feel "incarcerated" and sepeerated from their source of power, ths may be the case in the Clone wars, where we see the jedi usally only useing thier wn robes, and not amour (i have not seen the CW mini series, so i may have not seen otherwise, if it has been shown )

id think this would be the case in earlier times, but not in thr late periods like in the Post Empire EU.

anouther thery: if they were using a powerful power, say lightning, could this perhaps effct the user, making the like a lightning rod?

all this of course, is pure specualtion

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 05:16pm

Just remembered this one

it's from the CW cartoon and the jedi is Kenobi.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-07-17 05:19pm

ah.. so that point is disproven., mainly because because i havent seen the CW series.

im almost tempted to go and find the quotes in NJO about body armour.. almost.. but not quite

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 05:39pm

Found this on my version on the AOTC:VD (the finnish tranlation)

Musta ritari
Jedien tunikat ja viitat ovat rerinteisiä asuaja, mutta eivät univormuja. Padawaneiksi tultuaan he saavat pukeutua miten haluava. Anakinin asut poikkeavat muista niin väriltään kuin materiaaleiltaan. Hänen tummat vaatteensa erottuvat jeditempemlissä ja houlestuttavat jedivanhimpia.

That's direct qoute and it says once a jedi becomes a padawan (s)he can chose what to wear, but the canon tunics and robes are the traditional thing to wear. It says that Anakins suit untraditional in both color and materials and that bothers the jedi "elders". it seem odd that this jedi

doesn't seem be considered to be a problem, but Anakin is (by what they wear only.)

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-17 05:47pm

Lord Revan wrote:It says that Anakins suit untraditional in both color and materials and that bothers the jedi "elders". it seem odd that this jedi
http://www.starwars.com/databank/charac ... vie_bg.jpg
doesn't seem be considered to be a problem, but Anakin is (by by what they wear only.)

That depends heavily on what they concider 'untraditional'.
For all we know, Any's outfit offended them because it was
a) black, and
b) leather,
neither of which would apply to the above lady's garments.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 06:07pm

Batman wrote:[That depends heavily on what they concider 'untraditional'.
For all we know, Any's outfit offended them because it was
a) black, and
b) leather,
neither of which would apply to the above lady's garments.

A) Apart from vest Anakis clothes are dark brown
B) and made cotton or its SW equivalent.

Also there is at least one in who wears full black and Aayla Securas outfit has some parts of it made from leather.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 06:19pm

The design of Anakins suit that odd when we have this one

same desing different colors.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-17 06:23pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Batman wrote:[That depends heavily on what they concider 'untraditional'.
For all we know, Any's outfit offended them because it was
a) black, and
b) leather,
neither of which would apply to the above lady's garments.
A) Apart from vest Anakis clothes are dark brown
B) and made cotton or its SW equivalent.

So the Jedi Elders are offended by his vest. So what?

Also there is at least one in who wears full black

Funny, I didn't notice that. Who would this be ? (Not calling you a liar, I just honestly don't remember that)

and Aayla Securas outfit has some parts of it made from leather.

From the pic you posted, not neccessarily (though it certainly looks like it could).
Fine. I hereby propose that Jedi traditions prohibit black leather vests being worn by male human Jedi.
Problem solved

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 06:25pm

Batman wrote:Bah. You're no fun
*throws rotten tomatoe batarang at Lord Revan*

I just don't like to be one that people make fun of.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 06:36pm

Batman wrote:
Also there is at least one in who wears full black
Funny, I didn't notice that. Who would this be ? (Not calling you a liar, I just honestly don't remember that)

There one young female jedi in upper levels of arena who wears same kind outfit as Luke. You can see her during early part battle vs the droids she says "haa" (or something like that) while cuting a battledroid (looks a bit like Natalie Portman).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-17 07:36pm

Lord Revan wrote:The design of Anakins suit that odd when we have this one
http://www.starwars.com/databank/charac ... /eu_bg.jpg
same desing different colors.

Revan, what's your point?

Actually, what the hell is your point at all with this thread? Why some Jedi wear armour and others don't? I don't see any issue whatsoever.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-07-17 07:38pm

Lay off with the basking alrighty? Revan asked a question (and one that would make a fair bit of sense to ask actually) and there's no need to discourage him from doing so.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 07:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:The design of Anakins suit that odd when we have this one
http://www.starwars.com/databank/charac ... /eu_bg.jpg
same desing different colors.
Revan, what's your point?

Actually, what the hell is your point at all with this thread? Why some Jedi wear armour and others don't? I don't see any issue whatsoever.

Read my on jedi costumes then you'll what my point is.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-17 07:46pm

Read your what?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-07-17 07:53pm

antitrek wrote:The most obvios example of a SITH useing armour, is of course, Darth Vader

And he got his ass kicked by a padawan with only a few years if intermittent training.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 08:03pm

Lord Revan wrote:Found this on my version on the AOTC:VD (the finnish tranlation)

Musta ritari
Jedien tunikat ja viitat ovat rerinteisiä asuaja, mutta eivät univormuja. Padawaneiksi tultuaan he saavat pukeutua miten haluava. Anakinin asut poikkeavat muista niin väriltään kuin materiaaleiltaan. Hänen tummat vaatteensa erottuvat jeditempemlissä ja houlestuttavat jedivanhimpia.
That's direct qoute and it says once a jedi becomes a padawan (s)he can chose what to wear, but the canon tunics and robes are the traditional thing to wear. It says that Anakins suit untraditional in both color and materials and that bothers the jedi "elders". it seem odd that this jedi

doesn't seem be considered to be a problem, but Anakin is (by what they wear only.)

read this post Spanky

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-07-17 08:06pm

The OR Jedi were an institution wrapped up in arogance and simply unused to full scale combat. Something that was ratehr plainly shown in AOTC when they were ripped appart by low cost Battle Droids in the arena.

If you want a look at what Jedi Commandos are like, read STar by Star.

The Jedi wore lightweight but highly advanced armour suits that provided stormtrooper level protection at a fraction of the weight along with biochem protection.

They also carried frag grenades, thermal detonators, explosive charges, sniper laser cannons, blaster rifles, repeating blasters, minicannons and their lightsabres.

And there were dozens upon dozens of them. They sure made a mess of things....

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-17 08:08pm

I don't see much of a contradiction. As someone suggested above, it's probably just a combination of several elements and factors that upset them about Anakin's chosen means of dress, which is different from either examples that you cited.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-07-17 08:09pm

The Jedi gave up battle armor after the last Sith War to demonstrate to the Republic they were NOT an army or military division.

They off course, used armor for uniform purposes during the clone wars, and then Luke's new Jedi Order did during the vong invasion

namdoolb · Post by **namdoolb** » 2004-07-17 08:10pm

I, Jedi By Micheal Stackpole.

Force users (not jedi, but that's nothing more than a philosophical difference) using armour with a cortosis weave.

Jedi not using armour seems to be more custom or tradition than anything else. They're keepers of the peace, not soldiers: any kind of obvious armour would send out the wrong message. It's also damaging to the image of the jedi as a whole, if he needs to wear armour, then he's not going to appear as all powerful as he should.

Remember anakins comment to Qui-gon in ep1, "no-one can kill a jedi" Would he have made the comment if all the jedi he'd seen or heard about were wearing armour to protect themselves?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 08:15pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I don't see much of a contradiction. As someone suggested above, it's probably just a combination of several elements and factors that upset them about Anakin's chosen means of dress, which is different from either examples that you cited.

Apart from color Bultar Swans outfit is identical to Anakins. I think combination of black and dark brown with no lighter elements is reason for to the elder be upset about Anakins outfit.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-17 08:17pm

Probably has to do with their weapons and tactics. Armor would slow them down alittle and restrict movment (ref: Vader, he couldn't get his arms above his head and had to make diagonal swings with his saber).

A Jedi's first defense against blasters is deflection. To deflect, you have to have manuverability with your saber. Armor would restrict that.

On offense, again, the Jedi are swift and fast in combat with their melee weapons. Armor would again slow them down and restrict that. Face it, you can hunker down behind a packing create and pick people off with a lightsaber.

Its not that they CAN'T wear it, just that it probably cramps their fighting style.