Why is the SW-verse stronger than the Trekverse?

[Enigma]

Using repulsor tech. Manipulating forcefields with nanotech. As for Q, he hated humans in the beginning but like them in the end. He had fun taunting them. Everything he's done is superior to that of the jedi. Hell, Q even healed wounds that would've been fatal!

And the Q could be using technology in the same way. It wouldn't be a trick, you idiot, it'd be another method for the same result. At no point am I saying the Q's powers are not inborn. I am pointing out alot of them are likely illusionary, or simply aren't that impressive. You have yet to address the fact they can be harmed by humans and have shown no inherent immortality against weapons fire.

The only combat the the Q's faced was their civil war and the weapons they used to kill each other caused FUCKING SUPERNOVAS. Do you think they used derringers?

The reason I used the jedi as an example is that they are superbeings that are regularly being used. In ST, Q is the only superbeing that is used on the show with some regularity (compared to others).

That's nice. Ask me if I care. Show me some evidence they are hardy enough to withstand blaster fire.[/quote]

See above.

Want to compare powers? A baby Q has at least the same power as a Jedi Master since a Q baby was able to knock a planet out of it's orbit.

A group of Padawans knocked a fleet into Hyperspace. Next?[/quote]

Wow a group of Padawans. Now group a bunch of Q babies together and think what would happen.

The only evidence onscreen that shows that a Q can be harmed is either A) from another Q or B)a Q weapon.

True the Q are not omnipotent but they can easily wipe the floor of any being in both SW and ST.

Q's can create and destroy life with literally a flick of a finger. Your turn.

[SirNitram]

Using repulsor tech. Manipulating forcefields with nanotech. As for Q, he hated humans in the beginning but like them in the end. He had fun taunting them. Everything he's done is superior to that of the jedi. Hell, Q even healed wounds that would've been fatal!

And the Q could be using technology in the same way. It wouldn't be a trick, you idiot, it'd be another method for the same result. At no point am I saying the Q's powers are not inborn. I am pointing out alot of them are likely illusionary, or simply aren't that impressive. You have yet to address the fact they can be harmed by humans and have shown no inherent immortality against weapons fire.

The only combat the the Q's faced was their civil war and the weapons they used to kill each other caused FUCKING SUPERNOVAS. Do you think they used derringers?

Yet these supernovas.. Did they occour in Q space? No.. No they didn't. They were aftereffects in the physical realm. The effects of actually firing the weapons.. They didn't kill the humans handling them, did they? That puts a very definate limit on their power.. One you would recignize if you weren't so blind.

The reason I used the jedi as an example is that they are superbeings that are regularly being used. In ST, Q is the only superbeing that is used on the show with some regularity (compared to others).

That's nice. Ask me if I care. Show me some evidence they are hardy enough to withstand blaster fire.

See above.[/quote]

Was the Continuum full of supernovas.. Oh yes, it wasn't.

Want to compare powers? A baby Q has at least the same power as a Jedi Master since a Q baby was able to knock a planet out of it's orbit.

A group of Padawans knocked a fleet into Hyperspace. Next?

Wow a group of Padawans. Now group a bunch of Q babies together and think what would happen.[/quote]

I can't wait to hear your No-Limits fallacy here.

The only evidence onscreen that shows that a Q can be harmed is either A) from another Q or B)a Q weapon.

LIE. Sisko punched Q out.

True the Q are not omnipotent but they can easily wipe the floor of any being in both SW and ST.

Q's can create and destroy life with literally a flick of a finger. Your turn.

Prove it. Episode name.

[Vympel]

LIE. Sisko punched Q out.

Not to mention that Q is scared of Guinan.

[Enigma]

And the Q could be using technology in the same way. It wouldn't be a trick, you idiot, it'd be another method for the same result. At no point am I saying the Q's powers are not inborn. I am pointing out alot of them are likely illusionary, or simply aren't that impressive. You have yet to address the fact they can be harmed by humans and have shown no inherent immortality against weapons fire.

The only combat the the Q's faced was their civil war and the weapons they used to kill each other caused FUCKING SUPERNOVAS. Do you think they used derringers?

Yet these supernovas.. Did they occour in Q space? No.. No they didn't. They were aftereffects in the physical realm. The effects of actually firing the weapons.. They didn't kill the humans handling them, did they? That puts a very definate limit on their power.. One you would recignize if you weren't so blind.

That is because they were in the Q CONTINUUM! Had they brought the weapon into their own realm they would surely die!

That's nice. Ask me if I care. Show me some evidence they are hardy enough to withstand blaster fire.

See above.

Was the Continuum full of supernovas.. Oh yes, it wasn't.

The weapons had the power of supernovas but in the minds of the Voy crew it was if they were in the American Civil War. For example, if Janeway fired one of their weapons, to them in the Q Continuum it would be like firin a normal gun but in the physical realm Janeway had just caused a supernova.

A group of Padawans knocked a fleet into Hyperspace. Next?

Wow a group of Padawans. Now group a bunch of Q babies together and think what would happen.

I can't wait to hear your No-Limits fallacy here.

Can the same Padawans toss a planet out of it's orbit?

The only evidence onscreen that shows that a Q can be harmed is either A) from another Q or B)a Q weapon.

LIE. Sisko punched Q out.

Let me correct myself. Any evidence of anyone other than a Q that could kill a Q?

True the Q are not omnipotent but they can easily wipe the floor of any being in both SW and ST.

Q's can create and destroy life with literally a flick of a finger. Your turn.

Prove it. Episode name.

TNG Pilot. Out of nowhere, Q created a courtroom full of people from all places and timelines. Tasha Yar was flash frozen then brought back to life.

The Voy ep with the Q civil was. Just by touching index fingers the Q manage to conceive a Q baby.

The episode in which Q tried to make Riker into a Q. At least one TNG crew member was killed and was then brought back to life.

When dealing with his son he was able to reduce him into a single celled organism. How much more would it be needed to wink him out of existence?

The episode dealing with Picard when he had the chance to live his life over again.

[Lord Pounder]

That is because they were in the Q CONTINUUM! Had they brought the weapon into their own realm they would surely die![/quoite]

where in any start trek episode is it stated that the laws of physics are different in the continnium(sp)? A weapon that can cause a super nove would paste a feddie all over a wall, do you know much about recoil in relation to firepower?

The weapons had the power of supernovas but in the minds of the Voy crew it was if they were in the American Civil War. For example, if Janeway fired one of their weapons, to them in the Q Continuum it would be like firin a normal gun but in the physical realm Janeway had just caused a supernova.

Can you prove Janeway caused a supernova, i've never seen it actually proved that the supernovas was the end product of the gun fire.

Can the same Padawans toss a planet out of it's orbit?

I've never seen a Padewan knock a planet out of it's orbit, but the Vong do it with Coruscant.

Let me correct myself. Any evidence of anyone other than a Q that could kill a Q?

Yeah in that Voyager episode you're so fond off, Janeway and her crew where shooting Q and killing some IIRC

[The Yosemite Bear]

Startrek is about exploring, here there be dragons, but mostly trying to find peaceful solutions weapons are tools of last resort.

if roddenbarry wanted to make Startrek like Lensman he could have capships that could destroy suns and groovy psi-powers etc.

Star Wars is about good vs. evil, and evil must be more powerful then good, for the strugle of the good to mean anything. The power to swat away asteriods like they were gnats. It is the fact that conflict is central to the theme that brigns about weapons like this. like mentioning lensman, here two we have an earlier series then both franchises, that could easily give them a run for theri money if not more so.

[Knife]

Size and scope, buddy. SW is based off of a Galactic society while ST is relatively a small group of stars grouped together in a Eutopia like grandure in their 'Age of Discovery'.

A galactic sized stage inherintly says that their tech would be better since if the local group had better they wouldn't be a local group and their age of discovery would have been long since gone.

[Sir Sirius]

I think that the creators of ST and SW started out a tell a story with out much concern for the power levels of their technology, let alone the power levels of other sci-fi franchises technology, the technology then just shaped out to be what ever was necesary to tell the story.

Personaly I think that the main reason for SW reletively high power level is that Lucas wanted the audiences to go WOW!!! while watching he's movies, hence the shots of fighters performing surface skinning fly-by's of huge battlestations and mighty warships and the spectacular explosion caused when the Deathstar blows up Alderaan ot when Jango's seismic charges shatter asteroids Etc.

[SirNitram]

The only combat the the Q's faced was their civil war and the weapons they used to kill each other caused FUCKING SUPERNOVAS. Do you think they used derringers?

Yet these supernovas.. Did they occour in Q space? No.. No they didn't. They were aftereffects in the physical realm. The effects of actually firing the weapons.. They didn't kill the humans handling them, did they? That puts a very definate limit on their power.. One you would recignize if you weren't so blind.

That is because they were in the Q CONTINUUM! Had they brought the weapon into their own realm they would surely die!

EVIDENCE? Oh yea, none. Nevermind that Sith can generate Supernovas...

See above.

Was the Continuum full of supernovas.. Oh yes, it wasn't.

The weapons had the power of supernovas but in the minds of the Voy crew it was if they were in the American Civil War. For example, if Janeway fired one of their weapons, to them in the Q Continuum it would be like firin a normal gun but in the physical realm Janeway had just caused a supernova.

Backlash from the nature of the Continuum, I suppose. That doesn't mean that a supernova has to be directly applied to the Q. The energy directly applied to the Q in the Continuum is definately within a very specific range because, you flaming retard, the guns didn't kill their human users.

Wow a group of Padawans. Now group a bunch of Q babies together and think what would happen.

I can't wait to hear your No-Limits fallacy here.

Can the same Padawans toss a planet out of it's orbit?

You're a flaming retard, you know that? If you can toss a fleet of starships with black-hole density fuel and neutronium-density components to their armour, do you think do you can toss a ball of rock?

The only evidence onscreen that shows that a Q can be harmed is either A) from another Q or B)a Q weapon.

LIE. Sisko punched Q out.

Let me correct myself. Any evidence of anyone other than a Q that could kill a Q?

Q And The Grey. Q's fear of Guinan.

True the Q are not omnipotent but they can easily wipe the floor of any being in both SW and ST.

Q's can create and destroy life with literally a flick of a finger. Your turn.

Prove it. Episode name.

TNG Pilot. Out of nowhere, Q created a courtroom full of people from all places and timelines. Tasha Yar was flash frozen then brought back to life.

So... Q made an illusion.

The Voy ep with the Q civil was. Just by touching index fingers the Q manage to conceive a Q baby.

Okay. They can reproduce asexually. Nothing impossible there..(Or are we forgetting the Force conceived someone without a male?)

The episode in which Q tried to make Riker into a Q. At least one TNG crew member was killed and was then brought back to life.

Very well. Sufficiently Advanced Medical Technology..

When dealing with his son he was able to reduce him into a single celled organism. How much more would it be needed to wink him out of existence?

I don't know. Present evidence he can do such instead of wild, unfounded assumptions.

The episode dealing with Picard when he had the chance to live his life over again.

Illusion.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Yet these supernovas.. Did they occour in Q space? No.. No they didn't. They were aftereffects in the physical realm. The effects of actually firing the weapons.. They didn't kill the humans handling them, did they? That puts a very definate limit on their power.. One you would recignize if you weren't so blind.

Besides the possibility that the Q made the humans able to carry and use those weapons without being killed. Just like Q gave Riker the same abilities, why would you ignore the possibility of them doing this for Voyagers crew?

EVIDENCE? Oh yea, none. Nevermind that Sith can generate Supernovas...

Umm the evidence would be that the Q have shown the ability to give humans their powers.

That's nice. Ask me if I care. Show me some evidence they are hardy enough to withstand blaster fire.

A young Q was playing hide and seek....in the warp core.

Backlash from the nature of the Continuum, I suppose. That doesn't mean that a supernova has to be directly applied to the Q. The energy directly applied to the Q in the Continuum is definately within a very specific range because, you flaming retard, the guns didn't kill their human users.

Already addressed, see above.

You're a flaming retard, you know that? If you can toss a fleet of starships with black-hole density fuel and neutronium-density components to their armour, do you think do you can toss a ball of rock?

This is interesting. What is your source that a fleet of the Empires starships fuel is the density of a black-hole. Also, did they actually use the force to push the fleet into hyperspace or did they simply just press a button?

LIE. Sisko punched Q out.

Yet, one Q hid in the reaction chamber of the E-Ds warp core....hmmm I'd say Q let him.

Q And The Grey. Q's fear of Guinan.

Some people fear any kind of spider, even the non-lethal ones. How does this prove Guinan would have been able to kill Q? It doesn't...she wasn't even able to stop Q from tosing the E-D into Borg controlled space. If she was able to kill a Q certainly she would have been able to stop that.

So... Q made an illusion.

Now that's an impressive illusion. IIRC they did scan her....

Illusion.

Prove this was an illusion. It was never indicated as such, and the Q have shown the ability to manipulate time to that level. Evidence TNG "All Good Things"

[Elheru Aran]

OK, Terr Fangbite, evilcat, Knife, Yosemite Bear, and Sir Sirius answered what I was thinking of... thanks y'all.

Moderators, you can split the whole superbeings discussion-- that wasn't what I was thinking of in any case. Superbeings don't fit very well into the Wars-verse anyway...

[Kamakazie Sith]

EVIDENCE? Oh yea, none. Nevermind that Sith can generate Supernovas...

The Sith themselves cannot generate supernovas they need an ancient Sith weapon. This weapon seems to have been destroyed since it was on Sadow's ship, which was caught in the supernova and obliterated along with the user of the weapon.

After being rescued by Exar Kun, Ulic sent the unsuspecting Aleema on a suicide mission to attack Kemplex Nine; using an ancient Sith weapon that was aboard Naga Sadows old ship Aleema ripped the core of one of the ten stars in the Cron Cluster and threw it at the pursuing Republic fleet, destroying them, but also causing the star, and subsequently the other 9 stars, to supernova. The imense explosion obliterated Aleema and Sadow's ship, and also ravaged the nearby planet of Ossus, site of the Great Jedi Library.

[SirNitram]

Yet these supernovas.. Did they occour in Q space? No.. No they didn't. They were aftereffects in the physical realm. The effects of actually firing the weapons.. They didn't kill the humans handling them, did they? That puts a very definate limit on their power.. One you would recignize if you weren't so blind.

Besides the possibility that the Q made the humans able to carry and use those weapons without being killed. Just like Q gave Riker the same abilities, why would you ignore the possibility of them doing this for Voyagers crew?

As they exhibited no other Q powers, no, I have not seriously considered the possibility.

EVIDENCE? Oh yea, none. Nevermind that Sith can generate Supernovas...

Umm the evidence would be that the Q have shown the ability to give humans their powers.

As there was no signs of Q powers present, I do not see why I should seriously consider this theory. After all, if they were 'snapped' into Q-ness, why would they need 'representations'?

That's nice. Ask me if I care. Show me some evidence they are hardy enough to withstand blaster fire.

A young Q was playing hide and seek....in the warp core.

Remind me of the episode so I can inspect this.

Backlash from the nature of the Continuum, I suppose. That doesn't mean that a supernova has to be directly applied to the Q. The energy directly applied to the Q in the Continuum is definately within a very specific range because, you flaming retard, the guns didn't kill their human users.

Already addressed, see above.
This is interesting. What is your source that a fleet of the Empires starships fuel is the density of a black-hole. Also, did they actually use the force to push the fleet into hyperspace or did they simply just press a button?

My source is running E=MC^2 on the DS1's blast, solving for M, working backwards to the density of it's 16Km core. The core is actually roughly one million times more dense than the black hole threshold, but I figure you can't be so dense you can't be a black hole.

As for the Jedi, they blended their powers together and gave a telekinetic SHOVE. Combined effort, yes, but considering what they accomplished..

Yet, one Q hid in the reaction chamber of the E-Ds warp core....hmmm I'd say Q let him.

Ah yes, the infamous 'Holding Back' defense.

Some people fear any kind of spider, even the non-lethal ones. How does this prove Guinan would have been able to kill Q? It doesn't...she wasn't even able to stop Q from tosing the E-D into Borg controlled space. If she was able to kill a Q certainly she would have been able to stop that.

So Q fears Guinan, gets hurt by Sisko, and they're just holding back. Uh-huh. I doubt it.

Now that's an impressive illusion. IIRC they did scan her....

They also scanned the Husnock ship the Dowd made.

Prove this was an illusion. It was never indicated as such, and the Q have shown the ability to manipulate time to that level. Evidence TNG "All Good Things"

All Good Things is the prime example(Didn't I mention it?) of the illusions. All this supposedly happens.. Yet only Q and Picard know about it. That, for ANYONE who applies logic, should scream illusion.

[SirNitram]

EVIDENCE? Oh yea, none. Nevermind that Sith can generate Supernovas...

The Sith themselves cannot generate supernovas they need an ancient Sith weapon. This weapon seems to have been destroyed since it was on Sadow's ship, which was caught in the supernova and obliterated along with the user of the weapon.

Conceeded it was a Sith weapon that did it. Noted that Q weapons made supernovas.

So, Sith weapons == Q weapons for the amount of slaughter they can produce...

[The Nomad]

My source is running E=MC^2 on the DS1's blast, solving for M, working backwards to the density of it's 16Km core. The core is actually roughly one million times more dense than the black hole threshold, but I figure you can't be so dense you can't be a black hole.

And here we go again .

For the last fucking time, do you know the formula for the Schwarzchild radius ? I'll tell you, it's r=GM/c². And no, SDnet's constants' page density for a BH is not the appropriate figure if you apply it to BHs of arbitrary size/mass. It might work for the mass range of black holes that astronomers hypothetize to exist in the observed Universe, but for an artificial black hole it's not good.

A black hole with the mass of the Earth has IIRC a radius of less than a fucking centimetre. The mass of the Earth is about 6e24 kg, which gives a mass energy in excess of 10^40 J. A hundred Death Star superlaser shots.

Now stop spouting this bullshit brainbug. The DS reactor could house a BH with the mass of the Sun, which is thousands times more massive and only 3 km in radius. Get over with it.

[SirNitram]

My source is running E=MC^2 on the DS1's blast, solving for M, working backwards to the density of it's 16Km core. The core is actually roughly one million times more dense than the black hole threshold, but I figure you can't be so dense you can't be a black hole.

And here we go again .

For the last fucking time, do you know the formula for the Schwarzchild radius ? I'll tell you, it's r=GM/c². And no, SDnet's constants' page density for a BH is not the appropriate figure if you apply it to BHs of arbitrary size/mass. It might work for the mass range of black holes that astronomers hypothetize to exist in the observed Universe, but for an artificial black hole it's not good.

A black hole with the mass of the Earth has IIRC a radius of less than a fucking centimetre. The mass of the Earth is about 6e24 kg, which gives a mass energy in excess of 10^40 J. A hundred Death Star superlaser shots.

Now stop spouting this bullshit brainbug. The DS reactor could house a BH with the mass of the Sun, which is thousands times more massive and only 3 km in radius. Get over with it.

Edit: I totally misread that for my first reply, and I'm not re-deriving it tonight.

Show your fucking math, I know I did, and no one ever corrected it until now, so you can take your self-righteous ignorance and your claims of 'brainbug' and twist them up your asshole, assuming your head isn't obstructing access.

[The Nomad]

My source is running E=MC^2 on the DS1's blast, solving for M, working backwards to the density of it's 16Km core. The core is actually roughly one million times more dense than the black hole threshold, but I figure you can't be so dense you can't be a black hole.

And here we go again .

For the last fucking time, do you know the formula for the Schwarzchild radius ? I'll tell you, it's r=GM/c². And no, SDnet's constants' page density for a BH is not the appropriate figure if you apply it to BHs of arbitrary size/mass. It might work for the mass range of black holes that astronomers hypothetize to exist in the observed Universe, but for an artificial black hole it's not good.

A black hole with the mass of the Earth has IIRC a radius of less than a fucking centimetre. The mass of the Earth is about 6e24 kg, which gives a mass energy in excess of 10^40 J. A hundred Death Star superlaser shots.

Now stop spouting this bullshit brainbug. The DS reactor could house a BH with the mass of the Sun, which is thousands times more massive and only 3 km in radius. Get over with it.

Edit: I totally misread that for my first reply, and I'm not re-deriving it tonight.

Show your fucking math, I know I did, and no one ever corrected it until now, so you can take your self-righteous ignorance and your claims of 'brainbug' and twist them up your asshole, assuming your head isn't obstructing access.

I did correct you once in a thread in the past month ( with tjhairball I think ). You never bothered to adress it.

Here it is. And there. Concession accepted.

[The Nomad]

BTW, the correct formula is r=2GM/c². Doesn't change much, though.

[The Nomad]

And here is where I corrected you : http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... c&start=25 .

[The Nomad]

Shit. For the first link, click "The Core" then "Event horizon".

[SirNitram]

And here is where I corrected you : http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... c&start=25 .

A more competent opponent would have displayed that in the first post he made. Of course, since you've shown you don't know when a concession is being offered to be accepted, you don't know a brainbug, and you had to make three posts just to remember to actually show you made such a post, I'm not seeing much confidence for you being right. But I'll run the numbers, math was never my strong suit.

Matter required for a single DS shot should come to around 1e22g, placed in a 16Km^3 place should have a density of roughly e17-18. Which, upon revision of my math, is indeed less than a black hole's minimum density. It's neutron star material density.

Of course, I'm gonna have to chuckle at you throwing around the Swartzchild Radius formula out. Your crippled brain does realize I'm working to solve for the density, correct, and don't give a damn if it behaves like a black hole?

[The Nomad]

A more competent opponent would have displayed that in the first post he made. Of course, since you've shown you don't know when a concession is being offered to be accepted, you don't know a brainbug, and you had to make three posts just to remember to actually show you made such a post, I'm not seeing much confidence for you being right.

If it makes your wounded ego feel better to devalue an opponent that got a minor point, then please, feel free.

Upon further examination, I admit I've had an unpleasant tone in my first post. I apologize if I appeared arrogant, OK ? But I thought this misconception had been settled long ago.

Of course, I'm gonna have to chuckle at you throwing around the Swartzchild Radius formula out.

Yes, of course you did know this formula as well as the fact that it causes great variations in BH density, and did check your figures using it. Oh wait ...

Your crippled brain does realize I'm working to solve for the density, correct, and don't give a damn if it behaves like a black hole?

A more interesting tactic would be the comparison between the energy expenditure for a small hyperjump using known figures ( hint : hypothetized ISD reactor ouptut times the number of ISDs, combined with typical hyperspeed and distance - a few light-months, if I recall correctly the comment about taking "months" to go back to Yavin at sublight speed ) and the work needed to throw a planet out of its star's gravity well, or at least give it significant interstellar velocity. But of course, that would call a competent debater, wouldn't it ?

[SirNitram]

A more competent opponent would have displayed that in the first post he made. Of course, since you've shown you don't know when a concession is being offered to be accepted, you don't know a brainbug, and you had to make three posts just to remember to actually show you made such a post, I'm not seeing much confidence for you being right.

If it makes your wounded ego feel better to devalue an opponent that got a minor point, then please, feel free.

Please, if my ego became wounded from a mere mathematical error, it would have died years ago.

Upon further examination, I admit I've had an unpleasant tone in my first post. I apologize if I appeared arrogant, OK ? But I thought this misconception had been settled long ago.

You could at least try to use vaguely accurate wording.

Of course, I'm gonna have to chuckle at you throwing around the Swartzchild Radius formula out.

Yes, of course you did know this formula as well as the fact that it causes great variations in BH density, and did check your figures using it. Oh wait ...

Of course I know the Radius formula. You're just not realizing why it's not appropriate. Hint, Nomad: The best your method could do is prove someone wrong. Mine, despite mathematical errors, could actually find the density of the fuel. Do you understand why the latter is preferrable to the former?

Your crippled brain does realize I'm working to solve for the density, correct, and don't give a damn if it behaves like a black hole?

A more interesting tactic would be the comparison between the energy expenditure for a small hyperjump using known figures ( hint : hypothetized ISD reactor ouptut times the number of ISDs, combined with typical hyperspeed and distance - a few light-months, if I recall correctly the comment about taking "months" to go back to Yavin at sublight speed ) and the work needed to throw a planet out of its star's gravity well, or at least give it significant interstellar velocity. But of course, that would call a competent debater, wouldn't it ?

Gravity well? I take it you've not read Rogue Planet to see what it's like when a planet make the jump to lightspeed..

[Kamakazie Sith]

As they exhibited no other Q powers, no, I have not seriously considered the possibility.

They showed the ability to fire Q weapons that caused supernovas, wouldn't that be an indication of some sort of change?

As there was no signs of Q powers present, I do not see why I should seriously consider this theory. After all, if they were 'snapped' into Q-ness, why would they need 'representations'?

Were the Q using their powers on the civil war landscape?

Remind me of the episode so I can inspect this.

TNG "True-Q"

Backlash from the nature of the Continuum, I suppose. That doesn't mean that a supernova has to be directly applied to the Q. The energy directly applied to the Q in the Continuum is definately within a very specific range because, you flaming retard, the guns didn't kill their human users.

Already addressed, see above.
That's the DS though. What about those Star Destroyers, why do you feel they are more dense than a black hole?

Also, Q has been shown to knock the Enterprise considerable distances in seconds.
I don't like it either, however, it would seem to fit with what we know about the Q. They like to play games....
We have no idea why he fears Guinan. I doubt that Sisko actually caused Q pain. Once we have the warp core, we also have them playing hide and seek on the E-D's hull.
That's right. The effects of its weapons were quite real.

Yet, the threat to the Federation was very real and due to Qs assistance they were able to prevent it. I don't believe illusions can do that....

Only Q and Picard know about it because Q saw to that, Q was basically controlling the situation.

[Kamakazie Sith]

EVIDENCE? Oh yea, none. Nevermind that Sith can generate Supernovas...

The Sith themselves cannot generate supernovas they need an ancient Sith weapon. This weapon seems to have been destroyed since it was on Sadow's ship, which was caught in the supernova and obliterated along with the user of the weapon.

Conceeded it was a Sith weapon that did it. Noted that Q weapons made supernovas.

So, Sith weapons == Q weapons for the amount of slaughter they can produce...

The use of Q weapons produced supernovas as a side effect, not as a direct result. Also, the Sith weapon was destroyed...hence they no longer have the weapon.