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(After I challenged his contention that God's love was unconditional)
Truth hurts, get over it. If you truly believed that you could be delivered of homosexuality then you would not be offended by God's Truth. Instead, you would embrace it, and Him also.
If you happened to be the Creator of everything, then it would be your way or no way. No one else would be qualified to critique you. You can try to judge the Judge, but you are just spinning your wheels

Concession Accepted. Told you your God's 'love' was conditional didn't I?

I love the quaint little fascist mind set you're putting on display. If your'e in charge, no one should critique you, correct? Abusive fathers and leaders (also known as dictators) shouldn't be held accountable to any standards in your view, should they?

In your twisted world view: Power=Authority. What a good little stormtrooper you'd make, beating down homosexuals doors and ridding the world of the 'infection', as you put it.

Luckily, I see no reason to hold up the ramblings of primitive desert nomads and their barbaric War god from 2,000 years ago as divine 'truth'. I put the good of humanity first: whose existence is in little dispute.

After questioning the 'divine purpose':
"And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,"

Be afraid of God: if he was real, I sure as heck would be, he's a very scary guy
Walk in his ways: paying attention to such rules as not to imitate his holy ointment; or I will ... of course, be put to death: God told Moses how to make some ointment, hair oil, and perfume, and then made it a crime punishable with death to make any like them ? Think of a God killing a man for imitating his ointment! [Ex. xxx, 23.]
Love him: or I will, of course, be put to death and burn in hell. Love isn't real if it's based on a threat, genius.
Serve the Lord: doing what, exactly?
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After being asked for evidence that homosexuality is a choice:
You would not be alive today if it were not for heterosexuals. Just because homosexuals are able to adopt children, or to become pregnant via a sperm bank, does not "normalize" their lifestyle in the least.
Science may some day invent an artificial womb that will allow a homosexual man to bear children, but it will never negate the fact that homosexuality did not evolve, but instead is contrived.

What a ham-fisted dodge of the question. Where is your evidence that homosexuality is a choice?
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Mindless sermonizing time combined with some denying that he's bigoted:

The love of God has been imparted to me. I can choose to let it flow through me, or not.
Bigotry, hate-speech, homo-phobia: Typical homosexual buzzwords, yet very effective. Homosexuals intimidate companies and individuals with these buzzwords much the same way Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition does with the "discrimination" word.
Of course homosexuality is an "infection". Without being more graphic about homosexual practices and the high incidences of disease, suicide, drug & alcohol abuse, etc..., what else would you call it? Can you actually name an advantage of homosexuality over heterosexuality?

- You claimed that homosexuals are "infecting" public life with pro-homosexual advertisements/ billboards etc. I asked for evidence, you have provided none.
- Bigotry, hate-speech and homophobia are not buzzwords. They describe your unreasonable poison perfectly. Homosexual people have done nothing to harm you, yet you villify them and denounce them as an infection regardless.
- Provide evidence that the homosexual lifestyle inevitably leads to high incidences of disease, suicidie, and drug and alcohol abuse; as opposed to these things being the consequences of ANY *excessive* lifestyle: including alcoholism or heterosexual nymphomania.

Huh? Survival depends upon heterosexuality. It is not a choice, it is a natural necessity. Nothing constructive is ever produced by homosexuality. Harsh reality indeed.
A confused juvenile animal with raging hormones, and in the absence of the opposite sex is a very poor example of a "homosexual animal". Even the gerbil mentioned by E. Sn0 -+31337+- is forced to do what is unnatural to it. Nature seems to always find a way to survive (to propagate), homosexuality can never be that "way".
If humans are just highly developed animals, why then would we make a "choice" that could possibly lead to our extinction? The fact that China has had a one child law and forced abortion in effect for years, and also has a male to female ratio of 4 to 1, and also happens to have a high number of homosexuals is of no coincidence. Homosexuality may be somewhat enviromental, but it is always a choice



Explain your leap of logic that because homosexuality is not 'constructive' (obviously, you are excluding the possibility of a loving relationship between two people regardless of sex as constructive) it is wrong.

In addition, you have been perpetuating a strawman argument where you contend homosexuals want everyone to be homosexuals, and continue to harp on the survival of the human race, as if, in your ludicrous world view, homosexuals are going to make everyone homosexual, and the human race will die out!

Provide your evidence that China has a high per capita incidence of homosexuals relative to other nations, rather than just a high number of homosexuals (it is the most populous nation, genius), and also, the exact numbers of homosexuals, and where you got these numbers.
[Editors' note: I have no idea what the point of this is; probably something to do with his 'homosexuality is a choice' rubbish, but I thought I should challenge it anyway]
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I then posted, after he posted to someone else and not me

"Waiting for your reply, stp"

To which Bob Moore- a Site Administrator, said:
Kindly read the Board Rules. No one is required to answer, and to post as you have is considered rude and uncouth.
Wonderful! Calling homosexuals an infection isn't 'rude and uncouth', but challenging his bigotry is !!!
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Vymer wrote:Waiting for your reply, stp.
Kindly read the Board Rules. No one is required to answer, and to post as you have is considered rude and uncouth.
Why is this considered 'rude and uncouth'? No one is required to have your way of thinking. No one is required to have your views forced upon them. No one is required to be Christian. No one is required to be a fundamentalist. HOWEVER, one IS required to have an opinion. One IS required to follow their sexuality. One IS required to follow their spirituality (given they have one).
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I want to see if it is possible to disclaim homosexuality WITHOUT using a SINGLE quote from the Bible.
What would be the point? Anything that I come up with would just be from me and it would be my point of view. However, scripture is God breathed. Therefore if I use scripture I'm standing on the unshakable word of God and not in my own strength. To the unbeliever scripture is a crutch that we lean on. To the believer scripture is a stretcher that we must put our whole self into for salvation.

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Yup- that's the quality of argument over there :)
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*Claps for Vympel *

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I'm curious, if I were to go over there, tell this person I am a heterosexual female who chooses not to procreate, would they say I'd go to hell for that?
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Danke Alyrium (I don't think Mr Bigot will reply unfortunately ...) :)
I'm curious, if I were to go over there, tell this person I am a heterosexual female who chooses not to procreate, would they say I'd go to hell for that?
The Simpson is quite apt: "Marge ... have you ever READ this thing? Everything's a sin. You can't even go to the bathroom ..." Reverend Lovejoy.

So it's a definite :D

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Since we can't use the Bible, this discussion is closed.
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Kelly Antilles wrote:I'm curious, if I were to go over there, tell this person I am a heterosexual female who chooses not to procreate, would they say I'd go to hell for that?
No, you'd get told you were going to hell if you went there and told them that you wanted to procreate with as many people as possible. Fundies fear sex, and is consequently the best weapon there is against them.

Look at how a LOT of people go: As kids, they're indoctrinated into the church because they don't know anything except what adults tell them. Then they have sex, fall away from the church, have more sex, and generally are naughty people. Then they grow up, get afraid because they're no longer able to have as wild a life as they did as a youth, and go back to the church for the solace and comfort. Now, if we just made sure everyone had a steady diet of sex and thrills, you can probably safely conclude that there would be less fundies out there.
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LOL! Never have I seen such intellectual impotence.

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Idiots.

Then again, if I were to tell them I was an agnostic bi female who had no intention of procreating, they'd either try to convert me or tell me I was going to hell.
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Kelly Antilles wrote:Idiots.

Then again, if I were to tell them I was an agnostic bi female who had no intention of procreating, they'd either try to convert me or tell me I was going to hell.
More likely tell you that you are on the highway to hell and then ban you when you didn't immediately drop and worship God.

They're bigots and idiots whose sole sources of information about the world are the bible and their fellow fundies.
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Kelly Antilles wrote:Idiots.

Then again, if I were to tell them I was an agnostic bi female who had no intention of procreating, they'd either try to convert me or tell me I was going to hell.
More likely both.
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Kelly Antilles wrote:Idiots.

Then again, if I were to tell them I was an agnostic bi female who had no intention of procreating, they'd either try to convert me or tell me I was going to hell.

See, this is what I meant in the post above. I wouldn't care if fundies thought that the color green is evil and sacrificed bunnies to a giant wooden torture device. Why do they have to get so frothing about sex? You'd think they could just leave that one little thing alone. After all, Jesus never said anything about abstinence.
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Lagmonster wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Idiots.

Then again, if I were to tell them I was an agnostic bi female who had no intention of procreating, they'd either try to convert me or tell me I was going to hell.

See, this is what I meant in the post above. I wouldn't care if fundies thought that the color green is evil and sacrificed bunnies to a giant wooden torture device. Why do they have to get so frothing about sex? You'd think they could just leave that one little thing alone. After all, Jesus never said anything about abstinence.
Well, his apostales did. And they were a bunch of self loathing sex-deprived idiots. So we now have legions of uptight fundies from the deal.
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Saint Paul was the biggest problem. His misogyny and hatred for the flesh characterizes most fundies, not to mention puritanism, medieval church attitudes toward sex, etc.

In fact, Paul delineates so much of Christian thought that the religion should be more properly called "Paulism" than "Christianity".
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Yes!

http://www.creationweb.org/viewtopic.php?p=2178#2178

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Nice "sceptics" reply. Noted Bible scholars for centuries have said the same thing I have. You and your secular websites, though, obviously have it figured out much better than people who make a career of this stuff.

I have given my answer. Accept it or not.


You have just committed the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority. You vaguely refer to 'bible scholars' as a crutch because your arguments cannot stand on their own two feet. You additionally make a veiled ad hominem attack on skeptics, deriding one article because it happens to be available on electronic media- as if that somehow makes the arguments of the author less valuable. And also, skeptics also "make a career of this stuff"

Concession Accepted.

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Lagmonster wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Idiots.

Then again, if I were to tell them I was an agnostic bi female who had no intention of procreating, they'd either try to convert me or tell me I was going to hell.

See, this is what I meant in the post above. I wouldn't care if fundies thought that the color green is evil and sacrificed bunnies to a giant wooden torture device. Why do they have to get so frothing about sex? You'd think they could just leave that one little thing alone. After all, Jesus never said anything about abstinence.
Isn't God quoted saying "Be fruitful and multiply..."?

Kind of hard to do when you can't get laid... :wink:
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I use birth control! I'm going to hell in a handbasket! :roll:
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Kelly Antilles wrote:I use birth control! I'm going to hell in a handbasket!
Think of all the poor, poor kids that could have been born and lived and died and been mindless minions. How, exactly, is God supposed to keep busy with all the killing and the guilting and the damning if you don't populate the planet with more sinners, hmm?

God wants YOU to have unprotected sex. Because only YOU can create minion hordes.
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Lagmonster wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:I use birth control! I'm going to hell in a handbasket!
Think of all the poor, poor kids that could have been born and lived and died and been mindless minions. How, exactly, is God supposed to keep busy with all the killing and the guilting and the damning if you don't populate the planet with more sinners, hmm?

God wants YOU to have unprotected sex. Because only YOU can create minion hordes.
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verilon wrote:In response:
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Bob Moore wrote: Kindly read the Board Rules. No one is required to answer, and to post as you have is considered rude and uncouth.
Why is this considered 'rude and uncouth'? No one is required to have your way of thinking. No one is required to have your views forced upon them. No one is required to be Christian. No one is required to be a fundamentalist. HOWEVER, one IS required to have an opinion. One IS required to follow their sexuality. One IS required to follow their spirituality (given they have one).
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Lagmonster wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:I use birth control! I'm going to hell in a handbasket!
Think of all the poor, poor kids that could have been born and lived and died and been mindless minions. How, exactly, is God supposed to keep busy with all the killing and the guilting and the damning if you don't populate the planet with more sinners, hmm?

God wants YOU to have unprotected sex. Because only YOU can create minion hordes.
That's so going into my sig.

And even if God wants you to have sex, it's to be a joyless, mechanical task done with all the relish of cleaning out an outhouse with a spoon. Sex is an obligation to a proper bible thumper not recreation and enjoyment.
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If these people want the world overriden with fundies, perhaps they should get a girlfriend. How would the reply to that?

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