Worst movie decisions of all time?

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-07-16 05:29pm

I'm talking about the kind of decisions that characters in movies make that reveal such a faulty thought process it makes you cringe.

My vote is for Queen Amidala in Ep II leaving Jar Jar Binks to take care of things on Coruscant. Worst political decision of ALL TIME.

Dishonerable Mention goes to Captain Marko Ramius from "The Hunt for Red October." Ignoring the absurdity of a russian sub as noisy as an alfa class sneaking in so close to Red October and a US frigate that it could get off a torpedo shot at Red October without it arming properly, Ramius's decision to turn the Red October into the torpedo's path with a rookie driver at the wheel is just insane. The fact that he gets away with it is even worse.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-07-16 05:34pm

irishmick79 wrote:I'm talking about the kind of decisions that characters in movies make that reveal such a faulty thought process it makes you cringe.

My vote is for Queen Amidala in Ep II leaving Jar Jar Binks to take care of things on Coruscant. Worst political decision of ALL TIME.

Certainly.

Dishonerable Mention goes to Captain Marko Ramius from "The Hunt for Red October." Ignoring the absurdity of a russian sub as noisy as an alfa class sneaking in so close to Red October and a US frigate that it could get off a torpedo shot at Red October without it arming properly, Ramius's decision to turn the Red October into the torpedo's path with a rookie driver at the wheel is just insane. The fact that he gets away with it is even worse.

That situation struck me as somewhat plausible. It's either close the range to the torpedo before it can arm, or get sunk.

However, they only successfully used that tactic once in the book, and it wasn't entirely successful, IIRC. The torpedo blew a hole in the bow, although the Red October's massive battery banks prevented it from sinking.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-16 05:41pm

Another way of putting the turn the sub towards the torp might have been to turn it around and say
Well would anything else help?
Turn away and expose your screw and waste tunnels to the torp increasing the chance of critical damage
Turn sideways and umm, that does not help
Or turn strait in and rush it hope you can get it before it arms and if not RAM the sonzabitch who shot it after you and bring some company with you into the after-life

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-16 05:44pm

As for worst movie thing

Hmm
While Jar Jar in command was not to bright, a worse one was to try and Gas the Jedi

in TPM

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-07-16 06:55pm

This prestigious award would have to go to Captain Needa, for apologizing to Darth Vader.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-07-16 07:12pm

How about in "Aliens" when the Lt disarmes his men, and still has them proceed deeper into the nest area.

There was also the unforgivable mistake of leaving the dropship unguarded on hostile ground with its main door wide open. If the pilot had simply shut the damn door, half the team would have been saved. Talk about bad force protection.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-16 07:28pm

Generations, for ceasing fire after the first phaser blast! They could have destroyed the BOP with a few more, but NOOOO....

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-16 08:12pm

I can sum it up easily.

'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'

Needa · Post by **Needa** » 2002-07-16 09:56pm

What? You doubt about Needa's intelligence Durandal? Joke.

Seriously, Needa was a hero, he spared the life of his men by going himself make the apology to Vader. He knew what would result of this action, but despite that he chose to do it. It's a hero!

I think the award should go to the Emperor at Endor, who used a a more dramatic tactic instead of lauching the capital ships right away in the battle.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-07-16 11:29pm

SirNitram wrote:I can sum it up easily.

'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'

I think that's about up there with "these bugs hit us so we are going to go straight for their capital world despite having no tue logistical train and land forces with no real air support then wait for victory" in ST.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-16 11:37pm

Titanic nuff said.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-07-17 11:01am

I think the Ramius decisionwas wrong 1.) because he had no crew, and with a sub as big as Red October he probably could have afforded to take a torpedo hit and 2.) he had a rookie driver and no crew. The second one is probably most important because the maneuver Ramius ordered required split second timing and probably a good touch at the wheel. The book makes it clear that Jack Ryan driving the boat did not have either attribute.

Personally, I would have dropped decoys like mad, and camped out right underneath the US frigate floating around on the surface. If the Alfa decided to fire on me there, I would be close enough to the frigate where a reasonably aggressive US captain would have quickly drawn the conclusion he was being fired upon and respond accordingly. Definitely better than trying to play chicken with all that expensive hardware which happens to be my ticket into the US.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-17 06:07pm

Depending on how the timeline in Star Trek runs, I'd say STFC where the Borg queen gets to Earth, loses the cube, then time travels back, when she could have easily just timetraveled back, then traveled to Earth. Unless, of course, the multiple timeline thing is accurate.

Martin Blank · Post by **Martin Blank** » 2002-07-18 08:08pm

irishmick79 wrote:I think the Ramius decisionwas wrong 1.) because he had no crew, and with a sub as big as Red October he probably could have afforded to take a torpedo hit and 2.) he had a rookie driver and no crew. The second one is probably most important because the maneuver Ramius ordered required split second timing and probably a good touch at the wheel. The book makes it clear that Jack Ryan driving the boat did not have either attribute.

IIRC, Ramius had spent his career in attack subs. This led him to think as an agressor, rather than take the traditional boomer role and simply hide. He treated the Red October as a giant attack boat, rather than a boomer with defensive weapons.

Ramius, however, knew the boat, what it could do, and how to direct the crew. This was demonstrated when he sent the Red October through the undersea canyon. Ryan may not have been an ideal candidate to have at the helm, but he didn't have much choice. Though I think Mancuso probably could have done better from a technical sense, Mancuso also had his own mindset about things, and Ramius wasn't about to ask a fellow submarine commander to take such a subservient role. In the movie Ramius's gamble paid off, whereas in the book he lost a little. I seem to recall that in the book he also ended up ramming the torpedo's launch sub, rolling it over and sinking it.

Finally, he couldn't afford a hole in his boat because he had no crew. No crew means no damage control, and no damage control means a quick trip to the bottom.

OOM94539 · Post by **OOM94539** » 2002-07-18 10:49pm

REIGN OF FIRE
'Everyone take your positions!'
*Everyone gets out and bunches up together.
*Flamethrower wielding dragon comes over and frys everyone in one pass.
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Return of the Jedi
The Emperor's decisions at Endor. Like Mike Wong said on his site, it resulted in 'one of the most improbable victories in sci-fi history'.
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Starship Troopers
Lets all circle around this one bug so our friendly fire can kill each other off. And yes, lets throw knives at our recruits hands.
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Saving Private Ryan
Lets risk the lives of 8 men so mamma Ryan can be happy. It's not like any of those people have mothers.
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And that's all I can think of for now.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-07-19 01:30am

I think Signs will give us the dumbest decision of all time...why live near a cornfield?

I mean after Children of the Corn and Field of Dreams I certainly wouldn't live near a cornfield...especially after field of dreams..."you mean there's a bunch of dead baseball players in my field? BURN IT."

OOM94539 · Post by **OOM94539** » 2002-07-19 04:05pm

The stupidist, most abundant idiotic decision in movies is when the villain captures the hero only to:
a)gloat
b)reveal his master plan
c)convert them to his side
d)give them the chance to die an 'honorable' death where they stand a chance at winning
e)do something other than kill them

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 07:08pm

The Austin Powers movies poked alot of fun at this.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-07-19 09:17pm

The Emperor's decisions at Endor. Like Mike Wong said on his site, it resulted in 'one of the most improbable victories in sci-fi history'.

The really bad decision which caused the upset at Endor wasn't Palpatines - and it wasn't even the one usually mentioned (opening the doors to the base to send out some reserves). No, the REALLY bad decision was to hold the rebel prisoners OUTSIDE the door, were the Ewoks could rescue them! Don't they have a prison block in the Imperial base? Or even an empty storeroom they could guard them in? Hell, they could've just executed them on the spot instead of holding them prisoner. Without the rebel strike team, the Ewoks are no threat to the base.

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2002-07-20 04:28pm

Akm72 wrote:
The Emperor's decisions at Endor. Like Mike Wong said on his site, it resulted in 'one of the most improbable victories in sci-fi history'.
The really bad decision which caused the upset at Endor wasn't Palpatines - and it wasn't even the one usually mentioned (opening the doors to the base to send out some reserves). No, the REALLY bad decision was to hold the rebel prisoners OUTSIDE the door, were the Ewoks could rescue them! Don't they have a prison block in the Imperial base? Or even an empty storeroom they could guard them in? Hell, they could've just executed them on the spot instead of holding them prisoner. Without the rebel strike team, the Ewoks are no threat to the base.

To be fair it was a generator station rather than a conventional base, and they had no idea the Ewoks were out there. No, I blame it on the Emperor for trying to muck about (again). If he'd just told them there was gonna be an attack and left them alone, they could have just set up some proper defences and never been in danger. They couldn't have executed them, didn't he want them alive?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-20 05:30pm

Not the commandos. He had no interest in a bunch of nameless guys.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-07-22 11:39am

USAF Ace wrote:How about in "Aliens" when the Lt disarmes his men, and still has them proceed deeper into the nest area.

There was also the unforgivable mistake of leaving the dropship unguarded on hostile ground with its main door wide open. If the pilot had simply shut the damn door, half the team would have been saved. Talk about bad force protection.

According to the film, the lieutenant did not want to risk a stray shot to damage the cooling units of the fusion reactor.

The dropship was on the ground to allow one of the crew to get a piss.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-07-22 11:42am

OOM94539 wrote:The stupidist, most abundant idiotic decision in movies is when the villain captures the hero only to:
a)gloat
b)reveal his master plan
c)convert them to his side
d)give them the chance to die an 'honorable' death where they stand a chance at winning
e)do something other than kill them

It's union rules that require them to do it.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-07-22 12:17pm

paladin wrote:
According to the film, the lieutenant did not want to risk a stray shot to damage the cooling units of the fusion reactor.

The dropship was on the ground to allow one of the crew to get a piss.

Then the Lt should have brough his men back, and rearmed them with more appropiate hardware, not have them progress unarmed.

The dropship was on the ground so the other crewmen could bring supplies to bishop. The mistake is still inexcusable.

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-07-22 12:58pm

Those "elite" space marines must (and did) have had shitty discipline if their commander thought it necessary to completely disarm them instead of just ordering them not to fire. I mean, any decent army in the world has severe punishments for a "negligent discharge," so troops must have been trained that way. Except the ones in "Aliens," of course. Insulting their officers, all the screaming and posturing, they have shitty garrison discipline and shitty fire discipline.

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