9/11 compensation fund is anti-gay

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-19 09:06pm

Read these

http://uspolitics.about.com/library/wee ... 31102a.htm

http://uspolitics.about.com/gi/dynamic/ ... ept11.html

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 09:22pm

Wow...

Brillant Logic at work here
You'll give money away to people who where not even here legagly but not Gays?

Wow if I read that right illegal immgrents have more rights then gay couples

If they did it to a Jew it'd be anti-sematicm

If they did it to a black they would be dead by now(Angrey young black american to American young jew ratio is rather loopsided)
If they did to cacuasions I'd think they be dead to
This sounds like Sterotyping becaue partial it is, Which groups have a histroy of violence when somone REALY screws them over

This is almost funny in a way

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 09:24pm

Please post the actual material and not just links. The decision is not anti-gay, it simply says that the US government does not accept a gay relationship as a legal marriage. Girl friends and boyfriends are also not receiving benefits, because they are not legally related by blood or marriage.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 09:29pm

The point of the matter is even illeagle aliens are getting in on this

Which makes me kinda wonder a bit...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-19 09:30pm

We pay the same taxes and get none of the rights. It makes me sick.

Aliens have more rights in this country than we do.

The reason that they are not related by marriage or blood is because it is illegal for them to be. Absolute and total bullshit. Many of these people have been together for years, relationships longer than some legal marriages, they pay more taxes than married people in the same tax bracket and get short changed on civil rights.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 09:32pm

I'd rather aliens of any nationality not receive any funds from the US government. Not that I'm not sorry for them, but I think American tax dollars should go to American. Now funds that were set up by private foundations should probably be disperced evenly.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-19 09:39pm

Yeah well IIRC this is a government fund, the very person that started the uprising on flight 93, His family his partner(if he where to have one) gets nothing while the wife of Jose the illegal mexican immegrant who was working illegaly in WTC gets several million dollars in compensation.

Im gay and this pisses me off!

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 09:42pm

Good fer you.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 09:46pm

I sense a touch of sarcasim in Dave

I agree this is rather screwed up with illegals getting money but Gays not

I've never been a big support of Gay rights or anything like that

When the local Gay groups have thier parade I do just what I do when the Christians, The Jews, The Afrian Americans, The Fire-Deparment, The City, The Cops,
Ignore them

The only parade I pay any attention to is the Irish one, no I'm not Irish but I love a good party

LordChaos · Post by **LordChaos** » 2002-07-19 10:03pm

Well..... time for me to paint a huge taget on myself....

I would prefer that illegal alien's partners NOT be compensated.

I would also prefer that gay's partners NOT be compensated.

nether one has a valid legal standing.

However, as much as I hate to say it, I can see where the idea for compensating the illegal alien's partners comes from, as while the US government does not recognize gay mariages, it does recognize mariages valid in other countries that would have been valid if performed in the US.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 10:05pm

Agreed, I can also see where the government is comming from giving the immigrants compensation, but I don't agree with it.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-19 10:23pm

So you are saying it is okay for the government to discriminate against gays? We pay the same taxes you do, I see no reason why we should be short-changed in this fashion.

The famlies of heroes get absolutly nothing. while people who arent even citizens who pay no taxes are entitled to millions, WTF?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 10:27pm

Yes but Chaos Already address that he said NIETHER of you should get anything

Second of all if they just go with Federual Guildlines on this one... it might be easier

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 10:27pm

I did not say it was okay, I don't think either should get the money. If gay relationships were recognized as official marriages, then yes, but they aren't.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 10:34pm

They ARE David, Just only in certain states of which NY is not a memeber and the Federual Guidlines on the issue are basicly if a Judge says so fine by them, Or if they got it by Federual Law instead of local state they could bring the case to court

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-19 10:35pm

Sorry for the outburst, Im just angry, didnt mean to be rude

It just pisses me off. I feel like a second class citizen when I read this sort of thing. Naturally i become angry.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-19 10:44pm

That is my major beef with this country(USA). Discrimination based on sexual orientation should not be allowed to continue, many people who died in the 911 attacks had spouses and adopted children who will not be compensated. regardless of state law those people are for all intents and purposes married(relationships lasting for upwards of 13 years, had they been heterosexual they would be in a common law marriage), they lived with each other, shared expenses, in many cases had exchanged marriage vows and had adopted children. They should be compensated the same as everyone-else. And of couse they paid the same taxes and are treated as second-class citizens.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-19 10:53pm

The problem is that a homosexual couple is not married under the law, while the illegal immigrants are. The law doesn't recognize homosexual unions, so obviously the partner can't recieve compensation. He has no legal connection to the deceased.

This might be a controversial statement, but I don't think anybody should be getting government compensation for this. At least not in the amount being shelled out. Essentially the government is giving people millions of dollars because their spouses were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's just a politicized waste of money to salve the nation's conscience.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-07-19 10:55pm

Tax money can't go to help out gay people, but it can go to "vouchers" to reimburse parents who choose to send their children to religious indoctrinational institutions, thus having tax payers support religious schooling.

Gays have a much higher legal standing than religious schools do. If we can support religious indoctrination, we should support gays.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-19 10:55pm

That's not the problem. The problem is those illegal immigrants. Thirty million people in the US lack health care, yot some congressmen are proposing a bill that would give aliens health care. I say we toughen our immigration laws, and get Mexico to improve their economy, so the Mexicans won't sneak into the US and take jobs from citizens.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 11:51pm

Durandal wrote:Tax money can't go to help out gay people, but it can go to "vouchers" to reimburse parents who choose to send their children to religious indoctrinational institutions, thus having tax payers support religious schooling.

Gays have a much higher legal standing than religious schools do. If we can support religious indoctrination, we should support gays.

This is off subject but as to vouchers.

The state says that it needs my taxes for the express purpose of educating my child. So if he/she is not in that system, why do they still need the money? If I choose to send my child to an alternate institution of education, why should I pay twice for the same service? I don't think I should. I don't think the government should issue vouchers, it should just not collect those taxes in the first place.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-19 11:55pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:The problem is that a homosexual couple is not married under the law, while the illegal immigrants are. The law doesn't recognize homosexual unions, so obviously the partner can't recieve compensation. He has no legal connection to the deceased.

This might be a controversial statement, but I don't think anybody should be getting government compensation for this. At least not in the amount being shelled out. Essentially the government is giving people millions of dollars because their spouses were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's just a politicized waste of money to salve the nation's conscience.

You said exactly what I was thinking only in more eloquent words. What pisses me off is that many of the victims family members are demanding more money and saying that they are not getting enough. As if the government owes them anything at all! 9/11 might have been horrific but it was only a few thousand people, many more people die in car accidents every year and they aren't given handouts.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-20 12:01am

True they shouldnt be giving out a handout(at least not to the victims, compensating the families of those on flight 93 and firefighters and cops however is different) but if you are going too do it, dont discriminate against a group of people who died the same horrible deaths and pay the same taxes, but like like too have sex with the same gender.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-20 12:06am

This is not tring to insult gays, but a victim could like to have sex with rover for all I care, it does not entitle the partner to a diamond collar. What happens if a supposed lover comes to the government looking for compinsation, how do they know if that person is part of an actual relationship or just someone looking for a handout.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-07-20 12:59am

Because those people who are openly gay have relationships with others that are easily verifiable. Nor should sexual orientation be awarded "special" treatment , but is equal treatment so much to ask?