My New Pal: Adam Adler

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-07-24 04:23am

Adam Adler wrote me about my webpage:

I would like to inform you up front that I don't intend on making any grammatical errors, seeing as you will most certainly use them as your most vital point against me.

I WILL NOT make nay personal attacks about your social life, your "pubbng" or other activities.

Well, that didn't take long..

In my opinion the most important aspect of a starship is its propulsion. In Star Trek the faster than light "warp speed" is achieved by using dilithium crystals to regulate the matter/antimatter reaction in the warp core. The matter/antimatter reactions then create high energy plasma that go through the warp field coils and to the nacelles which actually create the warp "bubble" that creates a bubble around the ship which moves the space around the ship at faster than light speeds. Although not scientifically possible or even plausible today, there aren't any huge scientific points that can be disproven at this time. The propulsion at least, follows the two laws of science fiction. It provides an integral part of the story and it can not be disproven. Star Wars however, no matter how hard I look I can not find any explanation of how hyperspace works. Thus, right now Star Trek: 1 Star Wars: 0

Hello strawman argument! You really don't understand these debates, do you? The fact that Star Wars' propulsion follows exactly the rules you've described above completely derails your entire position. Not only that, but since even smuggling ships like the Millennium Falcon can go "from one side of the galaxy to the other" in Han Solo's lifetime, and Darth Maul can go from Coruscant (center of the SW galaxy) to Tatooine (outer rim territory) in less than 12 hours, while ships like Voyager can't cross a smaller galaxy within 70 years proves that hyperspace is far superior to warp.

Further reading:http://www.theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... sion1.html

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... sion2.html

If all organisms have these things in them then how is it that only certain species are animal jedis? The species of animal that can use the force, the Vronskirs, all have the power. There is no density variation there. Why? There are other species that don't exist in the force and aren't affected by it in any way. How is that?

How can Spock be alive when a Vulcan's copper based blood has to interact on a cellular level with a human's iron based blood?

In Episode I it was explained that all species have mitochloreeans. I sense inconsistencies. How did the mitcholreeans evolve? What determines the density? Could it be genetic?

These questions weren't brought up in the movies. So how do you find an incondsistency where there isn't one? Oh, and it's "midi-chlorian"

Luke has them, Anikan has them, and Leah has them somewhat.

There you go again...

If that is the case then at one point could all organisms had the certain special density? What is the specific density level? I also have heard that Mitochloreeans are in the air, how is that? There is no symbiotic relationship there, is there? Here's the most important question: How do Mitochloreeans fit into the force? Even if being able to jump higher and heal faster could be explained, how can the ability to sense special things, manipulate people's minds, and shove/choke people with your hand be explained. In short it can't, nothing involving the force can. Star Trek:1 Star Wars:-1

Jesus H Christ on a $12 dollar hooker, you are pathetic at this. How is Vulcan mind melds explained? How is Garth of Izzar's ability to transform explained? How does Odo mimic a working communicator, or where does the rest of his mass go when he turns into a mouse? Further reading:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/preq/jedis ... ichlorians

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/preq/jedisith.html

We don't yet know what negron 14 is. Star Trek: 2 Star Wars:-1

Doesn't matter what negron-14 is. What matters is the qunantifiable effect the torp has when it destroys something. Jango Fett's Slave-1 destroyed a Eros-sized asteroid with one missile in AOTC. Further reading:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... pedo1.html

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... pedo2.html

Finally, I will look at the most important aspect, in my opinion of science fiction. The practical uses that have come from them. Star Trek has inspired inventions such as the hypo spray,

No, Trek didn't inspire hyposprays. Nor did Trek inspire cell phones, or automatic doors, or cars that talk to you, or any of the other silliness Trekkies have come up with to empower themselves over the years.

the naval ability to tell friendly ships by the propeller frequency,

Oh yes, I'm certain the US Department of Defense decided to watch Star Trek and take notes on the Enterprise's PROPELLER technology....

the motivation to the space program,

Jesus fucking christ, you are a pinhead. I suppose you have proof the the Russians and JFK watched Star Trek, then a lightbulb went off over their head, right?

the inspiration of several of the next generation's astronauts, and even the name of Enterprise to one of NASA's shuttles.

And quite fitting; that shuttle never reached space. Meanwhile, Star Wars is recognized by the Library of Congress as a National Treasure. Hopefully, they'll name the Millennium Falcon after something that can actually fly under its own power...

Star Wars, nothing. Star Trek:3 Star Wars:-1

=snicker=

As you can see from the evidence displayed above, Star Trek is clearly superior.

To what? Death by testicle stomping?

(P.S.) Just so this gets onto the hate mail page I have to say that I HATE your attitude towards those who e-mail you.)

Not everyone gets on the Hate Mail page. I get a lot of these letters every week. This isn't even remotely entertaining to go on the page. But I'll hold you up to public ridicule here if you like:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/

You have my permission to use my name and e-mail address in the hate mail section of your website. Note: As stated above, I haven't personally insulted you. Please respect me and display the same behavior torwards me.

Go fuck a rake sideways, asshat.
Your pal, Wayne Poe

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-07-24 04:32am

You were more patient with him than usual, even with the parting comment!

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-07-24 04:32am

Do you mail these responses back to them?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-07-24 05:14am

Gandalf wrote:Do you mail these responses back to them?

I sure do!

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-07-24 05:18am

Lord Poe wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Do you mail these responses back to them?
I sure do!

Good to hear.

Deathstalker · Post by **Deathstalker** » 2004-07-24 09:09am

What kills me is that people think they have something new. Wayne's site has been up some six years! It's not like he put it togther last week with half baked theories. I know you like the hate mail Wayne, put maybe you should have a link on your page that says "No Silver Bullets" and have a short explanation saying that if someone thinks they have a bullet that says Trek can beat Wars, it had better be well reasearched and be pretty frickin' unique!

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-07-24 10:47am

Oh boy.

Another of these. There seems to be a neverending supply of these people. Well, let's see if Poe will have his fun with him, or if he makes it to lure him here. Then it will be even more funny.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-24 11:57am

You have my permission to use my name and e-mail address in the hate mail section of your website. Note: As stated above, I haven't personally insulted you. Please respect me and display the same behavior torwards me.

Go fuck a rake sideways, asshat.
Your pal, Wayne Poe

I'm surprised you complied with his request and were so polite to him.

A rake sideways,

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-24 12:34pm

If all organisms have these things in them then how is it that only certain species are animal jedis? The species of animal that can use the force, the Vronskirs, all have the power. There is no density variation there. Why? There are other species that don't exist in the force and aren't affected by it in any way. How is that?

He does realize, that there aren't any species that don't exist in the force?

The Yuuzhan Vong were stripped of their sense in the force by the living force-empowered world they originally came from. However, they still exist in the force, as shown when both Anakin and Jacen were able to find ways to detect them in the force and affect them (Anakin, for example, smacked Vong with force blasts using his lambent, and Jacen was able to use his Vongsense to read their minds and predict movements).

Ysalamiri merely block Jedi's sense of the force, but they exist in it, as well.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-07-24 02:29pm

Praxis wrote: The Yuuzhan Vong were stripped of their sense in the force by the living force-empowered world they originally came from. However, they still exist in the force, as shown when both Anakin and Jacen were able to find ways to detect them in the force and affect them (Anakin, for example, smacked Vong with force blasts using his lambent, and Jacen was able to use his Vongsense to read their minds and predict movements).
.

Jacen could also convice vong boi tech to do stuff for him, Like the word brain stuff. And telling amphistaffs to go lim when the warriors want to whack him with it.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-07-24 05:25pm

crap need to proof read need to proof read.

at a p to the lim and remove the boi, no idea where that came from:

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-07-24 05:28pm

And it continues...

> Hello again Wayne,

Howdy..

> I am very pleased at the speed of your response and
> thank you for getting my words onto the forums, very nice.

T'weren't nuthin'.

> I am starting an account there now so that I can reply. I am somewhat displeased with the somewhat personal attacks on me, however I will not let that bother me.

And well you shouldn't. Because if they do, I'd advise you not to bother signing up. SD.net favors substance over style, so calling someone a fucking asshole while educating them is the norm.

I'd also advise to to read Mr. Wong's main website before you begin there as well. You'll find that many of the introductory arguments Trekkies come up with have already been covered.

> Grammatical Errors and Such From Your Previous Mailing Since I noticed you pointing out my ONE misspelling,

It was more than one, actually. Leia's name, Anakin's name "nay", midi-chlorian, etc.

> I will inform you of your few but more than one errors.
> incondsistency is spelled inconsistency. How is Vulcan mind
> melds explained does not have subject verb agreement, it should read,
> "How are Vulcan mind melds explained". "Destroyed a
> Eros-sized asteroid", that "a" should be an an. I suppose you have
> proof the the Russians and JFK watched Star Trek, what is "the
> the"?

Yes, I caught a few of mine when I reposted it to the stardestroyer.net forum. But remember, I didn't make the claim that I wouldn't make any grammatical errors; you did. You can peruse my website; there are tons of grammatical errors there I've never bothered to correct. But then again, most of the yahoos on the Hate Mail page wouldn't notice them anyway.

> Now that that is out of the way I would like to make it
> clear that it is merely to point out to you that YOU make mistakes just
> as I do, in fact even more so nothing else is meant of this heading.

Yes, we've covered this twice now, Mr. Data...

> In concern to propulsion,

What?? Ah well, you didn't say anything about being grammatically correct this time...

> the website you sent me to never stated how it
> is exactly that a ship jumps into hyperspace. It tells of
> everything but that. So, my point still remains valid.

Are you kidding me? Did you actually read those links? You're also missing the big picture: SW hyperspace is demonstrably faster than Trek's warp drive.

> What does Spock have to do with midi-chlorian?

It's an analogy perfectly fitting to the query you brought up.

> Your response to that didn't answer my query.

Why midi-chlorians? because they're there. Happy?

> Ok, if the questions weren't brought up in the movie then where were they brought up?

They weren't.

> What are their answers?

Ask Yoda.

> Once again, you asked more questions and provided no answers.

Because you are looking for fault where there is none, and ignoring the exact same thing in Trek.

> Odo can mimic a working communicator by shifting into all of the mechanical parts and functions in the device.

And how does a living organism do this? Why didn't he turn himself in a phaser when he and "Kira" were trapped in a cave?

> Odo can change his density, so when he is shifted into a rat, it can be > a very dense rat.

Really. And when he shape-shifted into a satchel that Sisko carried with ease, was he super dense then? Does Sisko have a bionic arm we weren't told about? (DS9 Paradise Lost)

> I hope that answers those queries.

People in Hell hope for ice water too.

> It does matter what negron-14 is.

Really. Then it must matter what protomatter is too, right? Care to explain?

> It would be like making something up and saying it has infinite power,

No, it would be like making something up and showing it has a quantifiable, finite destructive capability. Which proton torpedoes have.

> if it doesn't exist then it doesn't make any sense,

Even flubber makes sense. We can see and gauge its capabilities.

> especially of it has very powerful measurements.

You have a lot of reading to do, young Padawan.

> From The Star Trek Encyclopedia expanded edition paperback,

Which isn't viable in these discussions. (See Paramount's canon policy)

> "The hypospray later became an inspiration to real-world
> engineers who have since invented actual medical devices based on the
> Star Trek prop.

Right. I'm sure engineers the world over are using the pause button on Star Trek to invent things. What did the world do before Star Trek? Why, we must have been living in caves in the 1950's. I knew something didn't seem right about "Back To The Future". BTW, when's the last time your doctor pulled out a hypospray and gave you a shot? After
seeing "Trekkies", if one did so to me, I'd run out of there like Richard Simmons fleeing a whorehouse.

> Page 441 "is similar to how today's naval sonar
> operators can identify different ships and submarines purely on the
> basis of the propeller rotation frequency".

And? How does this state that because of Star Trek, we suddenly have this technology?

> No, JFK and the Russians weren't inspired by Star Trek, however, countless astronauts did and they were inspired as children and adults to join the space effort.

That's quite a step down from what you said previously. Again, so what? The dude who shot Reagan was inspired to do so bt having a hard-on for Jodie Foster, allegedly.

>The fact that they named a shuttle after it, despite the shuttle's power shows that Star Trek played a major part to space.

LOL! How? Did Trek get the shuttle made? Did Trek invent the tech necessary to do so? Are you saying there was no shuttle program until NASA caught an episode of Star Trek?

> Star Wars may be a "national treasure" but is it in the Smithsonian? A Star Trek communicator is.

Oh, well you have me there. A wooden prop getting dusty in a museum certainly trumps recognition as a national treasure. [future rolleyes placement here]

> That is all for now, I thank you for posting your response on
> stardestroyer.com. I agree that it isn't near funny enough to go
> in the hate mail section. Oh well.

You have to have a real hate for me and my website to get in there.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-07-24 06:23pm

Oi vey, hopefully he shall take your advice to heart and not come here, or if he does...does something other then argue ST vs SW.

So far he has barely demonstrated the intelligence to understand what you are doing to him.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-07-24 07:08pm

Boy, this guy really loves the False Dilemma fallacy!

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-07-24 11:19pm

I would like to point out to shitstain that Star Wars DOES have an exhibit in the Smithsonian (IIRC) known as "The Magic of Myth" exhibition; they had them over in Sydney and I fucking MISSED them, but they've toured in North America too (obviously, being a "national treasure"). Curtis Saxton catalogued them on his site, which I suggest you read as well.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-07-25 12:01am

This is too funny, though I am waiting for him to come in here and start responding.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-25 12:39am

> the website you sent me to never stated how it
> is exactly that a ship jumps into hyperspace. It tells of
> everything but that. So, my point still remains valid.

In "Traitor", hyperspace is described as a small bubble that is a universe of its own, in the beginning and the end of the book.

Essentially, hyperspace wraps the ship in a bubble (like warp drive), propells it into another dimension, and returns it to normal space.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-07-25 12:50am

When I went to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, they had a full set of stormtrooper armor in one display case.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-07-25 01:19am

Apparently, Adam Adler failed his grade 3 remedial English reading class. There is a large warning when you register that looks like this:

This board's registration page wrote:Important note for people registering new accounts

Registration is free, provided you are not using a free webmail provider (we have had problems with people using Hotmail etc. in the past). So we now ask for a $10 donation (top right corner) from people using Hotmail, Yahoo mail, etc. If you have a regular ISP mail account, none of this applies to you and we will try to activate your account as soon as possible.

Despite this large warning, which is situated right at the top of the registration screen, he signed up as "dam_adler", with an E-mail address of ... you guessed it ... dam_adler@hotmail.com

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-07-25 01:25am

'Dam' Adler, he's giving us Adams a bad name.

Krechet · Post by **Krechet** » 2004-07-25 01:27am

I've become so tired of this, I sent an email direct to him at his hotmail address informing him of the fact.

Maybe we should put it in 50-point font, with neon lights?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-07-25 01:28am

Krechet wrote:I've become so tired of this, I sent an email direct to him at his hotmail address informing him of the fact.

Maybe we should put it in 50-point font, with neon lights?

No matter how big it is, people who can't or won't read and understand simple instructions won't get it.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-07-25 10:27am

Lord Poe wrote:
>The fact that they named a shuttle after it, despite the shuttle's power shows that Star Trek played a major part to space.
LOL! How? Did Trek get the shuttle made? Did Trek invent the tech necessary to do so? Are you saying there was no shuttle program until NASA caught an episode of Star Trek?

Weren't there naval ships called the Enterprise in the past? IIRC wasn't the ST Enterprise named after them?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-07-25 10:30am

2000AD wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:
>The fact that they named a shuttle after it, despite the shuttle's power shows that Star Trek played a major part to space.
LOL! How? Did Trek get the shuttle made? Did Trek invent the tech necessary to do so? Are you saying there was no shuttle program until NASA caught an episode of Star Trek?
Weren't there naval ships called the Enterprise in the past? IIRC wasn't the ST Enterprise named after them?

Quite a few

All in all just further shows the guy has the brain of a wet noodle.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-07-26 05:53am

Krechet wrote:I've become so tired of this, I sent an email direct to him at his hotmail address informing him of the fact.

Maybe we should put it in 50-point font, with neon lights?

It's the same on all forums. People never read the rules/instructions no matter how obvious you make them.