The Lib Dems give Labour a much deserved kicking

[Stuart Mackey]

Although in New Zealand they call them wooly jumpers....

Only after the shearing season

i know thats austraila, but it still counts

and we all know that Britian is part of the US

[Dartzap]

It;s the other way round, we control them...

why else make us look like we are so close? its because we control them ,and we will take back the empire via the power of the damnd coloniols, and we will reclaim our destininy!![/patriotic mode off./]

[Stuart Mackey]

It;s the other way round, we control them...

why else make us look like we are so close? its because we control them ,and we will take back the empire via the power of the damnd coloniols, and we will reclaim our destininy!![/patriotic mode off./]

I think you need a nice cuppa tea, old chap..

[Dartzap]

Now your making me seem Stereotypical!!!!!!!
damned kiwis...

[Stuart Mackey]

Now your making me seem Stereotypical!!!!!!!
damned kiwis...

I do try

[HemlockGrey]

While we're on the topic of obscure references, you do all realize the British Government is run entirely by the civil service?

[Dartzap]

You watch Yes Minister?

"There are some things a Minister should not know..."

[Plekhanov]

Yo! Plekhanov!
Wouldnt happen to know a family of Welsh Wizards would you?




Sorry..couldnt resist...

I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about could you please explain the reference

You dont know the Welsh Wizard? Nemisis of Chambelain Usurper of Asquith..the seller of Kighthoods for favours *shakes head* politicians these days..no sense of history...

I disagree, far from being an indictment of my lack of appreciation of Liberal Party history (which would be especially embarrassing seeing as how I’m both a liberal activist and a history student) my inability to get a reference to Lloyd George surely speaks volumes for the strength, vitality and general forward looking nature of the Liberal (Democrat) party, the days when all the party members were in his extended family are long gone and we now need a bus and not just a taxi to hold meetings of our parliamentary party in, things are definitely looking up.

As for me and my relationship with the great man’s family I don’t think I’ve ever met any of them and I’m pretty sure I’m not related to the great distributor of honours but I do have a habit of making histrionic speeches at every opportunity so maybe I am.

[Plekhanov]

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I’m tired of your consistent refusal to back up your deeply offensive accusations that due to my activism within the Liberal Democrats I am personally guilty of “race baiting” and that my activities have been and were intended to be “racially divisive”. The onus is upon you to prove these grievous charges and that is something you have consistently refused to do, will you please actually:

Provide some evidence that the Liberal Democrats have ever set out to “create racial tension”.

Provide some evidence to support the preposterous accusation that “Lib Dems are enforcing a view that the British government just attacked Iraq because it was full of Muslims.”

Provide some evidence that we handed out leaflets with prisoner abuse photos on them and that if we did this it was just done in largely Muslim areas.

Logically rectify your contradictory accusations that we simultaneously mounted a national “single issue” campaign upon our opposition to the war whilst “specifically targeting Muslims” in a “racially divisive” manner.

Explain why our campaigning upon an issue we have consistently held a principled and initially unpopular stand upon is in any way “opportunistic”, “out of line” or is in any way unprincipled.

When you attempt to prove any of your accusations will you please bear in mind that targeted campaigning, that is to say tailoring certain aspects of your parties message to particular audiences to emphasise the issues that concern them, is a long standing tactic used by all major political parties in Britain including Labour. Consequently by far the most logical explanation for the fact (which I haven’t disputed) that we spent more time upon the Iraq issue in Muslim areas than non-Muslim areas shows that our polling indicated that Muslim’s are on the whole more concerned about the war than non-Muslims. If instead you want to argue that our targeted campaigning had some darker purpose you actually need to prove it, the fact that our election campaign was targeted proves that we are a modern political party and nothing else.

Will you please prove that I am a "race baiter" or apologise.

[Stuart Mackey]

I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about could you please explain the reference

You dont know the Welsh Wizard? Nemisis of Chambelain Usurper of Asquith..the seller of Kighthoods for favours *shakes head* politicians these days..no sense of history...

I disagree, far from being an indictment of my lack of appreciation of Liberal Party history (which would be especially embarrassing seeing as how I’m both a liberal activist and a history student) my inability to get a reference to Lloyd George surely speaks volumes for the strength, vitality and general forward looking nature of the Liberal (Democrat) party,

False: The Wizard of Wales was the PM of Britian during WW1 and afterwards and even put Churchill in at the exchequer! and you dont know the referance*tsk tsk*

the days when all the party members were in his extended family are long gone and we now need a bus and not just a taxi to hold meetings of our parliamentary party in, things are definitely looking up.

Lol! well done

As for me and my relationship with the great man’s family I don’t think I’ve ever met any of them and I’m pretty sure I’m not related to the great distributor of honours but I do have a habit of making histrionic speeches at every opportunity so maybe I am.

Even better! you shall do well in the commons

[Stuart Mackey]

While we're on the topic of obscure references, you do all realize the British Government is run entirely by the civil service?

And that of NZ, Aussie and probably Canada.

[TheDarkling]

Provide some evidence that the Liberal Democrats have ever set out to “create racial tension”.

Creating Racial tension wasn't what you set out to do but it was an obvious by-product.

Provide some evidence to support the preposterous accusation that “Lib Dems are enforcing a view that the British government just attacked Iraq because it was full of Muslims.”

Then explain to why else hand about abuse photos, what exactly does that have to do with a stand for international law?
Why do Muslims care so much about international law that they are particularly receptive to the Lib Dems stance over the war?

Provide some evidence that we handed out leaflets with prisoner abuse photos on them and that if we did this it was just done in largely Muslim areas.

I saw it quite clearly believe it or not, as you so desire.

Logically rectify your contradictory accusations that we simultaneously mounted a national “single issue” campaign upon our opposition to the war whilst “specifically targeting Muslims” in a “racially divisive” manner.

Your campaign at a national level focused on the War but at a local level you varied your response from area to area (as you freely admit), you know this is true just as I do because as you have constantly cried that everybody does it.
Don't think I am "picking" on the Lib Dems, Labour had a non-issue election campaign and just stuck to letting the local party people get on with campaigning on local issues whilcst Blair kept his head down.

Explain why our campaigning upon an issue we have consistently held a principled and initially unpopular stand upon is in any way “opportunistic”, “out of line” or is in any way unprincipled.

I have already told you several times and each time you have ignored me.
The Lib Dems were not campaigning by professing that they were the party for international law they were handing out abuse photos and pictures of Tong Blair and George Bush which is quite apart from your principled stand.

When you attempt to prove any of your accusations will you please bear in mind that targeted campaigning, that is to say tailoring certain aspects of your parties message to particular audiences to emphasise the issues that concern them, is a long standing tactic used by all major political parties in Britain including Labour.

Again, I am well aware of this and if you were targeting Muslims because they care more about international law I wouldn't have a problem but that isn't their concern and it isn't what the Lib Dems are conveying to them.

Consequently by far the most logical explanation for the fact (which I haven’t disputed) that we spent more time upon the Iraq issue in Muslim areas than non-Muslim areas shows that our polling indicated that Muslim’s are on the whole more concerned about the war than non-Muslims. If instead you want to argue that our targeted campaigning had some darker purpose you actually need to prove it, the fact that our election campaign was targeted proves that we are a modern political party and nothing else.

I never said it had a darker purpose, the purpose was also to get votes but it is the manner in which you mobilised those votes which I find offensive.

Will you please prove that I am a "race baiter" or apologise.

No I will not prove it because I never alleged it, if you limited yourself to talking about your principled stand then you were just campaigning if however you were handing out abuse photos (which I gather you weren't) and making it an issue about Islam then you were.
You know better than I what you were saying and so are in a better position to judge.

I apologise if I have caused you undue offence but I am simply calling the Lib Dems campaign (parts of it at least) as I see it, if it was just targeting Muslims then I would regard it as somewhat cheap but that would be about it however using the abuse photos has cast your entire electoral stance in a very different light and I am forced to examine anything else the Lib Dems do (electorally) on the issue of the war in that light.