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Palestinians 'made millions' selling cheap cement for barrier they bitterly oppose
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 25/07/2004)

Palestinian businessmen have made millions of pounds supplying cement for Israel's "security barrier" in the full knowledge of Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader and one of the wall's most vocal critics.

A damning report by Palestinian legislators, which has been seen by the Telegraph, concludes that Mr Arafat did nothing to stop the deals although he publicly condemned the structure as a "crime against humanity".

The report claims that the cement was sold with the knowledge of senior officials at the Palestinian ministry of national economy, and close advisers to Mr Arafat. It concludes that officials were bribed to issue import licences for the cement to importers and businessmen working for Israelis.

One of the report's three authors, Hassan Khreishe - an independent legislator and long-term critic of Mr Arafat - last night called for the Palestinian cabinet to resign.

"Wealthy Palestinians with connections at the highest levels have been making millions helping Israel build this wall while Arafat and the Palestinian Authority have been urging people to fight against it," said Mr Khreishe, a council member from the West Bank city of Tulkarm.

"Why Arafat did nothing about it, we just don't know. These people are traitors who have brought shame on us, and they should be punished."

An official in Mr Arafat's office said: "We will not comment because this file has been closed and it is now in the hands of the attorney general."

Growing resistance to corruption in the Palestinian Authority is posing the most serious internal challenge to Mr Arafat's leadership. Last week, gunmen staged a number of kidnappings and attacks on security buildings in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Thousands of Palestinians demonstrated about high-level corruption and the appointment of Mr Arafat's cousin, Moussa Arafat, as security chief in the Gaza Strip.

The report reveals that the cement originally came from Egyptian companies which supplied it at a huge discount of $22 (£12.50) a ton to help rebuild dilapidated Palestinian houses or buildings bulldozed by the Israelis.

Between September 2003 and March this year, 420,000 tons of cement were allegedly sent to three big Palestinian companies. According to the report, however, only 33,000 tons were sold in the Palestinian market. The vast bulk was transported to Israel on trucks owned by the three firms. According to Mr Khreishe, the cement was then sold with a mark-up of at least $15 a ton - and possibly as high as $100 - making profits of well over $6 million (£3.4 million) for company executives.

The Legislative Council launched an investigation after Egyptian journalists stumbled upon business links between a German Jewish businessman and the Palestinian companies.

According to the report, on November 9 last year a letter was sent to Mr Arafat by the Palestinian Authority comptroller, revealing that open-ended import licences for the cement had been signed by Maher al-Masri, the economy minister.

The Palestinian Authority comptroller asserted in the letter that the cement was destined for the wall.

The letter was allegedly received and seen by Mr Arafat on the same day that he urged people to demonstrate on the first international "Day against the Wall". According to Mr Khreishe, Mr Arafat took no action to stop further imports, which continued for another five months.

Ministry officials said that Mr al-Masri was unavailable for comment. The minister was quoted on a Palestinian news website challenging the claims, although he conceded that some cement had been transported to Israeli businessmen. "There is an exaggeration," he said. "The goal is to distort my reputation."

He said that his own investigative committee found that only 14,500 tons of concrete were transported to Israel. He conceded that two ministry officials carried out some "suspicious administrative violations" in relation to the permits, and that there was not full co-ordination between the economy and finance ministries regarding the cement quota. The ministry had issued permits for 233,000 tons, he said, and had then cancelled permits for 65,000 tons.

The revelations in the report are highly embarrassing for Mr Arafat, who has been pushing the international community to condemn the 425-mile barrier, of which about one quarter has been built. Israel says that the barrier is vital to protect its citizens from suicide bombers and terrorist attacks. Palestinian leaders argue that it is designed to deprive them of a state, and is cutting off Palestinians from their land, schools, doctors and relatives.

Last week, the United Nations condemned the barrier and demanded that it should be torn down.

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Wait wait wait. What's that I hear?

Oh wait, it's Arafat shooting himself in the other foot. I'm guessing it's a good think his first name's Yasser...

Build the wall!
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Get the International Court on this!
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Who the hell let this info out?
Yasser...I mean I don't know, sir...
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What they should have done is sold really crappy cement that'll fall apart after a short time. That way they make millions and the wall falls apart anyway. :D
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Oh, geez. Just what the doctor ordered in the Middle East. I think this effectively destroys the Palestinian opposition to the wall.
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The Palestinians might as well start going after these businessmen too.
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So I guess we can expect the ICJ to make a ruling against this too?
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Master of Ossus wrote:Oh, geez. Just what the doctor ordered in the Middle East. I think this effectively destroys the Palestinian opposition to the wall.
No it doesn’t, anyone with more than a casual interest in the IvP conflict knows that Arafat and his administration are brutal and corrupt, the fact that they are corrupt enough to not only siphon off administration funds but also to directly profit from the building of the apartheid wall is a further damning charge against them but it in no way effects the legitimacy or morality of the wall.

The farmers cut off from their ancestral land didn’t sell anybody any cement, nor did the students cut off from their schools, the sick separated from their hospitals, the families cut off from each other… The routing of the apartheid wall through Palestinian land is illegal as is the fact that Palestinians aren’t being compensated for the land lost in it’s construction, as is the fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians are being arbitrarily cut off from their own land and walled into their villages.

There are always those willing to sell out their people be they African slave traders, collaborators with the Nazi’s, or the black riot police in Apartheid South Africa. They in no way legitimised the monstrous crimes they profited from and neither does Arafat’s apparent complicity in selling this cement. The apartheid wall is immoral and illegal; the struggle of the Palestinian people and their supporters worldwide for justice goes on.
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Plekhanov wrote:There are always those willing to sell out their people be they African slave traders, collaborators with the Nazi’s, or the black riot police in Apartheid South Africa. They in no way legitimised the monstrous crimes they profited from
I take great offense with you painting the Apartheid era South African
government as one giant evil; they may not have been the nicest
people. granted, but they didn't fuck the country up en masse. No,
that was the Marxist movement known as the ANC and it's subsidaries
in other african countries.

You really should look HERE and especially HERE. I love that bit about Radio Berlin INternational.

Sorry if I've derailed this thread a bit.
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The Apartheid regime WAS evil. Jeez. It was a brutal and murderous regime.
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Plekhanov wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Oh, geez. Just what the doctor ordered in the Middle East. I think this effectively destroys the Palestinian opposition to the wall.
No it doesn’t, anyone with more than a casual interest in the IvP conflict knows that Arafat and his administration are brutal and corrupt, the fact that they are corrupt enough to not only siphon off administration funds but also to directly profit from the building of the apartheid wall is a further damning charge against them but it in no way effects the legitimacy or morality of the wall.

The farmers cut off from their ancestral land didn’t sell anybody any cement, nor did the students cut off from their schools, the sick separated from their hospitals, the families cut off from each other… The routing of the apartheid wall through Palestinian land is illegal as is the fact that Palestinians aren’t being compensated for the land lost in it’s construction, as is the fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians are being arbitrarily cut off from their own land and walled into their villages.

There are always those willing to sell out their people be they African slave traders, collaborators with the Nazi’s, or the black riot police in Apartheid South Africa. They in no way legitimised the monstrous crimes they profited from and neither does Arafat’s apparent complicity in selling this cement. The apartheid wall is immoral and illegal; the struggle of the Palestinian people and their supporters worldwide for justice goes on.
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Elfdart wrote:The Apartheid regime WAS evil. Jeez. It was a brutal and murderous regime.
So you're saying that the practice of Necktieing is a just and humane procedure? :wtf:
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MKSheppard wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:There are always those willing to sell out their people be they African slave traders, collaborators with the Nazi’s, or the black riot police in Apartheid South Africa. They in no way legitimised the monstrous crimes they profited from
I take great offense with you painting the Apartheid era South African
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that was the Marxist movement known as the ANC and it's subsidaries
in other african countries.

You really should look HERE and especially HERE. I love that bit about Radio Berlin INternational.

Sorry if I've derailed this thread a bit.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Elfdart wrote:The Apartheid regime WAS evil. Jeez. It was a brutal and murderous regime.
So you're saying that the practice of Necktieing is a just and humane procedure? :wtf:
No he's not saying that you blithering idiot, to say that “The Apartheid regime WAS evil” in no way indicates an approval of necktieing.

Your argument is a complete non sequiter the crimes of those fighting Apartheid do not legitimise the regime they were violently opposing and to express disapproval of Apartheid in no way equates to a support for necktieing.
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Plekhanov wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Elfdart wrote:The Apartheid regime WAS evil. Jeez. It was a brutal and murderous regime.
So you're saying that the practice of Necktieing is a just and humane procedure? :wtf:
No he's not saying that you blithering idiot, to say that “The Apartheid regime WAS evil” in no way indicates an approval of necktieing.

Your argument is a complete non sequiter the crimes of those fighting Apartheid do not legitimise the regime they were violently opposing and to express disapproval of Apartheid in no way equates to a support for necktieing.
And your argument is a complete strawman since Shep never said that apartheid was acceptable, he merely stated that the regime was not entirely evil.
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Stop this thread hijack, please. The claim was made that individual Palestinian businessmen making money off the Wall somehow invalidated Palestinian arguments against it. The rebuttal was made that collaborators (of which "the black riot police in Apartheid South Africa" was given as an example) do not invalidate a cause (in this case, it was implied to be the elimination of apartheid).

Shep responded to this single sentence fragment by saying "I take great offense with you painting the Apartheid era South African government as one giant evil", which is actually a severe strawman distortion of what Plekhanov said. Others then leapt into the fray of just how evil the South African government of that era was apart from the apartheid issue, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD and which does not even have anything to do with the point Plekhanov was making, which was specifically against apartheid itself.
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Arafat and his cronies are corrupt moneygrubbers and that's been known for quite a while. I think Forbes estimated his personal fortune to be worth at least $300 million. Seems his concrete selling scheme has turned out to be yet another profitable venture.

What I wonder about this is whether or not the regular Palestinians know that their leaders are corrupt bastards using all of them as pawns in their games for money and power. Probably not.
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The average Palestinian is probably too poor to have access to news that would report this kind of stuff.
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kojikun wrote:The average Palestinian is probably too poor to have access to news that would report this kind of stuff.
Not really, most know. It's just that they figured him the lesser of two evils, now he's starting to become the greater.
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Arafat survives because he is the devil that everyone knows. Israel would rather have him than one of the Islamic Jihadis. The Palestinians would rather have him than one of the Islamic Jihadis or an obvious Israeli puppet. His cadre is known to be a bunch of corrupt liars, but unfortunately that is far from the worst traits evidenced by potential Palestinian leadership. Most people would prefer someone like Abu Mazen to take over, but there appears to be no garunteed way to get someone like him in instead of degenerating into a simple power struggle (which one of the militant groups is likely to win).
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