Looking for Old school calcs

[Ender]

Ok, Wayne, Brian, Mike and a few others might know who I'm talking about here.

For all you post ICS people, ther was basically a the First One in calcs. His name was Stephen Cumbildge. He did all the original stuff we have been building on since then. I'm looking for his work. Specifically, he derived some numbers based off the shooting down of starfighters. I'm hunting for that.

Anyone know where I can find it?

[Phil Skayhan]

I believe this is what you're looking for. Not the original,sorry, but a repost by Wayne.

FROM: THE TREKKIES GUIDE TO STAR WARS

LASERS vs. PHASERS

TREKKIE: But lasers can't penetrate the E-D's navigational shielllllds!!
This is shown in "The Outrageous Okana and "Connundrums!"

Amazing this keeps coming up. Especially from people who tout themselves
as open minded and logical. From the opening credits of ANH: "A long time
ago, in a *G A L A X Y* far, far away. Lasers in Star Wars ARE NOT the
same as lasers in the Trek galaxy. The is AMPLE proof of this. Say you're
stranded on a planet with Q. You take a nasty fall and are seriously
injured. You ask Q to conjure up a doctor. Q snaps his fingers, and a 16th
century doctor appears, complete with his bone saws and leeches. What? Why
are you complaining? You ASKED for a *DOCTOR*,didn't you? Now, the proof:

(contributing editor: Stephen sec108@psu.edu)

**From TESB: ISD Avenger cutting a path through an asteroid field


I show the amounts of power required to take a cold asteroid
to near the melting point of iron. I am using iron as asteroids are
largely made up of iron, I have good data for solid iron, and iron
is easier to melt/vaporize than rock, making the values conservative.

Starting with a 5 meter diameter asteroid-

Volume of asteroid- 65 m^3

Mass of asteroid- 515,090 Kg

Heat Capacity of iron 447 j/kg K

Initial temp of asteroid- 2 K, normal for objects in space.

Final temp of asteroid- 1580 C, or 1853 K

Energy required to raise the material to the above temp: 427
GJ
Assuming a TL bolt is 1/10th of a second, this means a power
of 4270 GW.

Note-this isn't even enough energy to MELT the asteroid, let alone
vaporize it. Peter Chung spent the time and energy figuring out that
it takes much more energy to reach vapor, something like 10 times the
energy shown above. Even using a very small asteroid a single TL bolt is
over 10 times the power required to overpower the E-D's shields. (400 GW
in "The Survivors")

This assumes that the TL is at full power, which is not
neccessarily the case. The TL bolts were powerful enough to remove the
asteroids from the ISD's path, any more power would have been wasteful.
Now, if we consider more accurate numbers for the asteroid size, say 10
meters in diameter, we find larger numbers.

10 meter diameter asteroid- 3416 GJ, or 34,160 GW (this is my estimate
for the asteroid size)

15 meter diameter asteroid- 11,529 GJ, or 115,290 GW

20 meter diameter asteroid- 27,328 GJ, or 273,280 GW

I remind you, the effects of these bolts would have been to
make the asteroids glow, not melt or vaporize. Melting and
vaporization take a lot more energy than this, just ask Peter Chung.
These values are very conservative, and are less than the minumum values
we could estimate for the TLs. Also keep in mind two things:

First, the MF was able to shrug off dozens of TL hits, meaning that the
MF's shields are much more powerful than the E-D's shields. An ISD, which
has shield towers the size of the MF, would be much harder to damage.
An ISD could ignore any amount of fed weaponry, the numbers don't lie.

Second, ST weapons are far below the 400 GW power level. A Lysian destroyer
fired a 5.1 MJ attack at the E-D, making the E-D rock. Romulan 20 GW
disruptors are quite frightening to the E-D, as Warbirds have more powerful
weapons than the E-D. Photon torps used in life-or-death
combat situations do little to no real damage. It took 5 photon torps to
destroy an unshielded 30 man scout ship in ST6 (which blew up because of
internal explosions), a photon torpedo landed within a few meters of Kirk
in ST5 and didn't even mess up his hair. Direct photon torpedo hits in
ST2 on the unshielded Reliant resulted in weaker blasts than 20th century
conventional explosives would produce.

Klingon torps that bypassed the E-D's shields in Generations did minor damage
to the E-D. (the only reason the E-D blew up was because of the highly
unstable nature of ST ships) Even unshielded, it would take hundreds of
these torps to do real damage to an armored ISD. Also keep in mind that an
ISD has 60 TLs, any one of which can knock the E-D's shields down.