Benefits of Automated vs Organic defenses.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-07-24 07:09pm

Can you interrogate droids? They might have some failsafe, so they might be better protections against capture.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-07-24 08:46pm

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:Can you interrogate droids? They might have some failsafe, so they might be better protections against capture.

Probably against technological retards like the Vong, but they'd just smash a droid on sight anyway.

If the data's in there, a power on par with the Republic/Empire will get it. It's just a matter of time. The best defense against droid "interrogation" would be not having any pertinent information in the unit in the first place.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-07-25 09:14pm

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:Can you interrogate droids? They might have some failsafe, so they might be better protections against capture.

The New Rebellion detailed out something called "sensor torture", presumably similar to what the Hutt did on Tatooine in ROTJ.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-07-26 12:52pm

Batman wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: Yet the human army is alot easier to maintain
Says who? Humans are incredibly maintenance-intensive, and are so all them time, wether you actually need them or not.Droids can be deactivated and simply stored somewhere until they're needed.

They still need constant maintenance then and a lot moreof it then we do.

and has the advantage of being able to innovate. The droids are pretty much locked into a preset list of tactics.
Assuming that being 'innovative' is a valuable commodity for a soldier in the first place (which is not a given), Wars droids are, or at least can be.

Yes, it is an extremely valuble commodity and not as such. A war droid can do the occasional odd thng, buyt a living person has 20 years of neurotic behavior to go on. Its the difference between a smart tool and a tool user.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-07-26 12:55pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:Humans do not need constant maitance,
Go a week without food or water, and then tell me that humans do not need constant maintenance.

This last underway I had to replace a bunch of hex nuts. These things were 1/2 inch thick. I snapped them off by hand because they were corroded as fuck and replaced them.

Humans need very little, and it is mainly in the form of fuel (which droids also need)

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-07-26 12:55pm

Ender wrote:
Batman wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: Yet the human army is alot easier to maintain
Says who? Humans are incredibly maintenance-intensive, and are so all them time, wether you actually need them or not.Droids can be deactivated and simply stored somewhere until they're needed.
They still need constant maintenance then and a lot moreof it then we do.

Then you've never seen some of the 'Sick Call Rangers' I have. And Droids can have other Droids perform the maintenance, so the net manpower loss is still zero.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-07-26 12:57pm

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote: The droid will require substantially less maintenance against biological and chemical threats, and it can do without air in space - which would seriously reduce the fire hazard.

You are kidding me. There are bioorganisms now that corrode metal like crazy and the military is looking into specially creating some to do that (the issue of blowback is holding them back) And chemicals can corrode the fuck out of the droids and their components. CBR is much easier for us to resist becausee there are fewer things that attack us so violently.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-07-26 01:07pm

consequences wrote:
Ender wrote:
Batman wrote: Says who? Humans are incredibly maintenance-intensive, and are so all them time, wether you actually need them or not.Droids can be deactivated and simply stored somewhere until they're needed.
They still need constant maintenance then and a lot moreof it then we do.

Then you've never seen some of the 'Sick Call Rangers' I have.

Believe me, I've seen them. I've also done a shit ton of maintenance on a ship. Ship >>>>> Rangers

And Droids can have other Droids perform the maintenance, so the net manpower loss is still zero.

You'd need droids as dexterous and able to squize and manuver as well as humans to get in everywhere to do this. Yous still need people to do the work.

Droids have a major advantage; peoplel won't mind watching droids get smashed and dragged through the streets on CNN. Makes war far easier to prosecute.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-07-26 01:22pm

Ender wrote:
consequences wrote:

Then you've never seen some of the 'Sick Call Rangers' I have.
Believe me, I've seen them. I've also done a shit ton of maintenance on a ship. Ship >>>>> Rangers

fair enough

And Droids can have other Droids perform the maintenance, so the net manpower loss is still zero.
You'd need droids as dexterous and able to squize and manuver as well as humans to get in everywhere to do this. Yous still need people to do the work.

Droids have a major advantage; peoplel won't mind watching droids get smashed and dragged through the streets on CNN. Makes war far easier to prosecute.

Why can't droids be made with as much manual dexterity as humans? Given that Guri exists, this would seem to be an invalid argument. Extendable manipulator arms with sensor relays at the end would actually provide far more capability when it comes to fixing stuff too, as the droid would not be limited to attempting to fix things by feel when the bastard designers don't think about how ye old maintenance jockey is supposed to fix ye old misbegotten contraption in the field, requiring the poor schmuck to shove his arms in up to the armpits to attempt to connect the whoozamiwhatsit(I'm exagerrating more than a bit, but there is no practical reason why droids could not be made to conduct any sort of routine mechanical task more efficiently than humans).

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-07-26 01:25pm

consequences wrote:[
And Droids can have other Droids perform the maintenance, so the net manpower loss is still zero.
You'd need droids as dexterous and able to squize and manuver as well as humans to get in everywhere to do this. Yous still need people to do the work.

Droids have a major advantage; peoplel won't mind watching droids get smashed and dragged through the streets on CNN. Makes war far easier to prosecute.
Why can't droids be made with as much manual dexterity as humans? Given that Guri exists, this would seem to be an invalid argument. Extendable manipulator arms with sensor relays at the end would actually provide far more capability when it comes to fixing stuff too, as the droid would not be limited to attempting to fix things by feel when the bastard designers don't think about how ye old maintenance jockey is supposed to fix ye old misbegotten contraption in the field, requiring the poor schmuck to shove his arms in up to the armpits to attempt to connect the whoozamiwhatsit(I'm exagerrating more than a bit,

No, you're not. I took a lube oil shower trying to swap out the cooler on 7 TDFP about a week abo for that exact reason.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-07-26 02:31pm

Ender wrote:No, you're not. I took a lube oil shower trying to swap out the cooler on 7 TDFP about a week abo for that exact reason.

Isn't that corrosive?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-07-26 08:36pm

Ender, your entire argument seems predicated on the fact that complex machinery at similar scales to today is just as unreliable in SW, something I find dubious in the extreme due to the longevity and efficiency of the filmic droids and some very robust vessels, like the Falcon.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-07-31 04:48am

The difference being that radiation and chemical warfare are equally dangerous to civilians. Radiation sticks around waaaaaaay after it's deployment

Err, that depends. There are people living in Hiroshima today, you know, and have been for quite some time.