Grand Admiral Zaarin

[FTeik]

I never did understand why the Empire didn't produce the Avenger in larger numbers. The Defender was so bloody expensive that years after Endor they still only built a handful. The Avenger was faster then an Interceptor with equal guns (standard Interceptor seems to have 4 guns while Piet and Vader had access to 10 gun armed Ints) and a good warhead capacity as well as being shielded and having a hyperdrive. The Alliance/NR certainly knew of its existance (mentioned even in a few books).

Why the bloody hell did the Empire just abandon the design? Its quite good. Like taking an X-Wing and giving it the speed of an A-Wing. Had the Empire had these fighters in squadron strength on every ISD the Alliance might have floundered.

As far as i know GA Zaarin managed to destroy all production-facilities for TIE-Avengers and TIE-Defenders when he attempted his coup. His goal was to give his fighter-forces technological superiority over anything the empire could throw at him. That was short before Endor and after the battle there the empire had other problems to worry about.

And the design was not abondoned: In NJO: The Final Prophecy the TIE-Defenders seem to be numerous enough to be used aboard Interdictor-Cruisers.

[PainRack]

As far as i know GA Zaarin managed to destroy all production-facilities for TIE-Avengers and TIE-Defenders when he attempted his coup. His goal was to give his fighter-forces technological superiority over anything the empire could throw at him. That was short before Endor and after the battle there the empire had other problems to worry about.

And the design was not abondoned: In NJO: The Final Prophecy the TIE-Defenders seem to be numerous enough to be used aboard Interdictor-Cruisers.

It still doesn't make sense. Considering that GAD Thrawn managed to unify the Empire briefly enough to make a shielded TIE interceptor, as well as introduce newer models of assault craft like the Scimitar bomber, the Dark Empire reign which consoldiated Imperial resources once again, there should have been no diffculty in replacing the production facillities, especially since we do know that the Empire retained the technology and factories to build several squadrons worth.

[JME2]

As far as i know GA Zaarin managed to destroy all production-facilities for TIE-Avengers and TIE-Defenders when he attempted his coup. His goal was to give his fighter-forces technological superiority over anything the empire could throw at him. That was short before Endor and after the battle there the empire had other problems to worry about.

And the design was not abondoned: In NJO: The Final Prophecy the TIE-Defenders seem to be numerous enough to be used aboard Interdictor-Cruisers.

It still doesn't make sense. Considering that GAD Thrawn managed to unify the Empire briefly enough to make a shielded TIE interceptor, as well as introduce newer models of assault craft like the Scimitar bomber, the Dark Empire reign which consoldiated Imperial resources once again, there should have been no diffculty in replacing the production facillities, especially since we do know that the Empire retained the technology and factories to build several squadrons worth.

A possible explanation was that Palpatine wanted to return the Empire to its policies of pre-Endor, albeit utilizing mass-produced, cheap fighters for overwhelming numbers; the same also applies to the terror weapons of the Galaxy Gun and both Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyers.

[FTeik]

As far as i know GA Zaarin managed to destroy all production-facilities for TIE-Avengers and TIE-Defenders when he attempted his coup. His goal was to give his fighter-forces technological superiority over anything the empire could throw at him. That was short before Endor and after the battle there the empire had other problems to worry about.

And the design was not abondoned: In NJO: The Final Prophecy the TIE-Defenders seem to be numerous enough to be used aboard Interdictor-Cruisers.

It still doesn't make sense. Considering that GAD Thrawn managed to unify the Empire briefly enough to make a shielded TIE interceptor, as well as introduce newer models of assault craft like the Scimitar bomber, the Dark Empire reign which consoldiated Imperial resources once again, there should have been no diffculty in replacing the production facillities, especially since we do know that the Empire retained the technology and factories to build several squadrons worth.

First, Thrawn didn´t make shielded TIE-Interceptors, already existing Interceptors were upgraded with shields (how much this influenced their overall performance isn´t known). The Scimitar, while still superior to a TIE-bomber lacks hyperdrive. It might be entirely possible, that the facilities Thrawn controlled were unsuited to produce hyperdrives for TIEs.

Keep also in mind, that Thrawn´s part of the empire seemed to be short on money (indicated in HttE and DFR). Considering this they probabely had to decide: money for capital ships or money for superior fighters. What they did was spending money for capital ships and upgrading their already existing and proven designs.

As for the return of Palpatine: Here we have a to remember the Imperial Mutiny/the Imperial Civil War with devastating consequences for the worlds of the galaxy, including infrastructure and industry. Aside from that the reign of the reborn emperor didn´t last very long.

[Ender]

Photo of ejectors seat please, and sorry, you can't manufacture contradictions between EU and film and say because some filmic TIE/Lns or Starfighters have shields, that all TIE/Lns or Starfighters have shields when the EU says opposite. The correct conclusion is some TIE Starfighters observed in the films have shields, and many or all TIE Starfighters and Line Fighters in the EU do not. It is not rational to create the 100% shielded vs. 100% not shielded dilemma. Furthermore it is also an overgeneralization, and also you cannot prove that the unshielded Line Fighters and Starfighters have the same reactor mass as the Interceptor. Perhaps they're intentionally cheaper or less maintanence intensive, and thus smaller. Perhaps they have the room for the bigger reactor which could power shields, but they simply opt for without.

Photos provided by others. And I never said to was a 100% thing. We know the empire had 2 types of stereyotypical ties in service, the TIE and the TIE/ln. Obviously one was shielded and the other not.

Oh, and since the cockpit ball is stated to be identical for the basic TIE series (including the TIE tank), bigger reactor is out. Too many changes would result.

[Alyeska]

As far as i know GA Zaarin managed to destroy all production-facilities for TIE-Avengers and TIE-Defenders when he attempted his coup. His goal was to give his fighter-forces technological superiority over anything the empire could throw at him. That was short before Endor and after the battle there the empire had other problems to worry about.

And the design was not abondoned: In NJO: The Final Prophecy the TIE-Defenders seem to be numerous enough to be used aboard Interdictor-Cruisers.

This still doesn't explain why the Empire never bothered with the cheaper alternative of the Avenger to supliment its forces. The Avenger is a damned good fighter in its own right. And as for the Defender, it only took then 20 years before they could afford to field it in numbers and by that point it wasn't quite the same thing now that it had to fight the Improved X-Wings, XJ-Wings, and E-Wings.

[Alyeska]

Photo of ejectors seat please, and sorry, you can't manufacture contradictions between EU and film and say because some filmic TIE/Lns or Starfighters have shields, that all TIE/Lns or Starfighters have shields when the EU says opposite. The correct conclusion is some TIE Starfighters observed in the films have shields, and many or all TIE Starfighters and Line Fighters in the EU do not. It is not rational to create the 100% shielded vs. 100% not shielded dilemma. Furthermore it is also an overgeneralization, and also you cannot prove that the unshielded Line Fighters and Starfighters have the same reactor mass as the Interceptor. Perhaps they're intentionally cheaper or less maintanence intensive, and thus smaller. Perhaps they have the room for the bigger reactor which could power shields, but they simply opt for without.

Photos provided by others. And I never said to was a 100% thing. We know the empire had 2 types of stereyotypical ties in service, the TIE and the TIE/ln. Obviously one was shielded and the other not.

Oh, and since the cockpit ball is stated to be identical for the basic TIE series (including the TIE tank), bigger reactor is out. Too many changes would result.

The Tie-Interceptor and Tie-Fighter could both be shielded. Bog standard Tie series do not come with shields (reference most of EU) but modifications weren't unheard of either. Though for the most part adding features to Tie craft gave them a slower top speed or manueverability. The only exception seems to be the elite ten-gun Interceptor.

[Rogue 9]

My only source is game mechanics, but the Avenger is still more fragile than an X-wing. A concussion missile hit will do you in, or close enough to it, when flying one. Don't even think about trying to take a hit from a larger warhead. An X-wing isn't so fragile, at least in game terms.

[JME2]

My only source is game mechanics, but the Avenger is still more fragile than an X-wing. A concussion missile hit will do you in, or close enough to it, when flying one. Don't even think about trying to take a hit from a larger warhead. An X-wing isn't so fragile, at least in game terms.

Or at least by conventional standards; dovin basals were able to rip the X-Wings apart with little effort, afer all.

[Alyeska]

My only source is game mechanics, but the Avenger is still more fragile than an X-wing. A concussion missile hit will do you in, or close enough to it, when flying one. Don't even think about trying to take a hit from a larger warhead. An X-wing isn't so fragile, at least in game terms.

Makes me wonder which game your playing. I've always been able to survive a single concussion missile without hull damage.

[Sharp-kun]

My only source is game mechanics, but the Avenger is still more fragile than an X-wing. A concussion missile hit will do you in, or close enough to it, when flying one. Don't even think about trying to take a hit from a larger warhead. An X-wing isn't so fragile, at least in game terms.

Makes me wonder which game your playing. I've always been able to survive a single concussion missile without hull damage.

Depends on game difficulty.

[Isolder74]

Might be confusing a Advances missile hit with a normal one

[Ghost Rider]

Might be confusing a Advances missile hit with a normal one

Likely...because Advanced can kill...regular just knocks my shields down.

On Hard.

Forgot what the effect is on say the later one(XvT or XWA)

[YT300000]

I never did understand why the Empire didn't produce the Avenger in larger numbers. The Defender was so bloody expensive that years after Endor they still only built a handful. The Avenger was faster then an Interceptor with equal guns (standard Interceptor seems to have 4 guns while Piet and Vader had access to 10 gun armed Ints) and a good warhead capacity as well as being shielded and having a hyperdrive. The Alliance/NR certainly knew of its existance (mentioned even in a few books).

Why the bloody hell did the Empire just abandon the design? Its quite good. Like taking an X-Wing and giving it the speed of an A-Wing. Had the Empire had these fighters in squadron strength on every ISD the Alliance might have floundered.

In the same vein, why did they abandon the shielded Tie Interceptor (seen in the beginning of Tie Fighter)? It didn't have a hyperdrive, but it was likely far less expensive than the Advanced, and very powerful.

[Alyeska]

I never did understand why the Empire didn't produce the Avenger in larger numbers. The Defender was so bloody expensive that years after Endor they still only built a handful. The Avenger was faster then an Interceptor with equal guns (standard Interceptor seems to have 4 guns while Piet and Vader had access to 10 gun armed Ints) and a good warhead capacity as well as being shielded and having a hyperdrive. The Alliance/NR certainly knew of its existance (mentioned even in a few books).

Why the bloody hell did the Empire just abandon the design? Its quite good. Like taking an X-Wing and giving it the speed of an A-Wing. Had the Empire had these fighters in squadron strength on every ISD the Alliance might have floundered.

In the same vein, why did they abandon the shielded Tie Interceptor (seen in the beginning of Tie Fighter)? It didn't have a hyperdrive, but it was likely far less expensive than the Advanced, and very powerful.

Every indication I've seen is that the shielded Tie-Interceptor was actualy rather numerous by the time Thrawn took command and after that point. And this was an updated shield Interceptor at that because there were no indications that it was slower then the standard Interceptor.

[YT300000]

Every indication I've seen is that the shielded Tie-Interceptor was actualy rather numerous by the time Thrawn took command and after that point. And this was an updated shield Interceptor at that because there were no indications that it was slower then the standard Interceptor.

Then did they just stop using it after or something? Because I haven't seen one anywhere else.

[Rogue 9]

This is odd, because I distinctly remember "Incoming missile!" WHAM! Shields gone, hull red, half the cockpit instruments blown out, and three systems down including the hyperdrive.

[Pulse]

The Tie Fighters and the Interceptors in Tie Fighter that have shields were used by Zaarins forces. It could be that when he died he took the secret of putting shields on basic Ties with him. He was head of Imperial Starfighter Research after all.

Having said that if they were around at the time of HTTE then it could mean that Thrawn has found another way of putting shields on them. Lack of time and money could prevented it from becoming widespread.

If I ever play TF again I'll make a note of which missile does how much damage to each ship.

[YT300000]

This is odd, because I distinctly remember "Incoming missile!" WHAM! Shields gone, hull red, half the cockpit instruments blown out, and three systems down including the hyperdrive.

Hyperdrive. That means it wasn't a shielded Interceptor like the ones in Tie Fighter.

[Ghost Rider]

This is odd, because I distinctly remember "Incoming missile!" WHAM! Shields gone, hull red, half the cockpit instruments blown out, and three systems down including the hyperdrive.

Hyperdrive. That means it wasn't a shielded Interceptor like the ones in Tie Fighter.

He's talking about when a concussion missle struck his TIE Avenger.

[YT300000]

This is odd, because I distinctly remember "Incoming missile!" WHAM! Shields gone, hull red, half the cockpit instruments blown out, and three systems down including the hyperdrive.

Hyperdrive. That means it wasn't a shielded Interceptor like the ones in Tie Fighter.

He's talking about when a concussion missle struck his TIE Avenger.

Bah. That's why people should quote what they're replying to. It prevents confusion.

[Thanas]

The Scimitar, while still superior to a TIE-bomber lacks hyperdrive. It might be entirely possible, that the facilities Thrawn controlled were unsuited to produce hyperdrives for TIEs.

A minor nitpick - in Crimson Empire, Kir Kanos is flying a TIE-scimitar with hyperdrive. Don't know whether this is a late upgrade... yet the quote from Mirith Sinn was something like this: "We gave him a captured Bomber".