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]11th Circuit Nixes Sex Toys, Sex Rights
Court again splits over extent of bedroom privacy

Jonathan Ringel
Fulton County Daily Report
07-29-2004

Americans do not have a fundamental right to sexual privacy, a 2-1 decision of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said on Wednesday.

The split panel upheld an Alabama law -- nearly identical to one in Georgia -- that made the sale of sex toys a crime punishable by up to a year in prison.

The decision extends an emerging division in the court over sexual rights, with Judges Stanley F. Birch Jr. and Rosemary Barkett leading opposing factions.

Birch maintains that although the U.S. Supreme Court last year struck down a Texas law criminalizing homosexual sodomy, the justices have not decided fully that sexual privacy is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution.

Barkett claims that the court is refusing to apply the sodomy decision to laws that violate people's right "to be left alone in the privacy of their bedrooms."

Last week, the full 11th Circuit split 6-6 in denying reconsideration of a decision that upheld a Florida law prohibiting homosexuals from adopting children. Birch wrote that while he thought the law was "misguided," since there was no "constitutional liberty interest in private sexual intimacy," the court must uphold Florida lawmakers' right to exclude gays and lesbians from adopting.

Barkett wrote that the Florida law violated equal protection guarantees in the 14th Amendment and "substantive due process" rights to sexual privacy established in last year's sodomy case, Lawrence v. Texas, 123 S.Ct. 2472.

Two judges agreed with Barkett that Florida was violating homosexuals' equal protection rights; three other judges said the case was important enough to deserve another look.

This week Birch and Barkett faced off again, with Senior Judge James C. Hill providing Birch the swing vote in favor of Alabama's right to prohibit the distribution of "any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs ... ."

The result read like a highly charged repeat of last week's decision, with Birch echoing his earlier analysis and Barkett calling the majority's ruling "demeaning and dismissive."

USERS, SELLERS OF TOYS SUE

Just after the law went into effect in 1998, a group of plaintiffs sued then-Alabama Attorney General William H. Pryor Jr., who is now an 11th Circuit judge. They claimed the new law violated a host of civil rights, including ones guaranteeing free expression, due process and safety from unreasonable government searches of homes.

The plaintiffs included six people who used sex devices -- some on the advice of therapists as a means to combat depression and improve their marriages. One woman used a device because she suffers from a chronic disability that makes intercourse painful.

Two sellers of the sex devices, one who owns two "Pleasures" stores in the state and the other who conducts "Tupperware-style" parties to sell the products, also were plaintiffs.

A federal trial judge in 1999 found the law unconstitutional, but an 11th Circuit panel vacated the ruling, seeking a broader examination of how sexual laws had been enforced over time. After concluding that sexual privacy was "deeply rooted" in American legal tradition and practice, the trial judge again found the law unconstitutional.

DECISION BELONGS TO ALABAMA

But on a second review before the 11th Circuit, Birch repeated his argument from the Florida gay adoption case, writing that the U.S. high court did not address the issue of sexual privacy in Lawrence last year.

He also reiterated a point conservatives make in the culture wars throughout the country -- that judges should not become embroiled in making social policy. Without a fundamental right at stake, Birch wrote, only the people of Alabama could decide "that a prohibition of sex toys is misguided, or ineffective, or just plain silly ... ."

Birch added an argument that parallels one Pryor used unsuccessfully last year as Alabama's attorney general in offering amicus support for the Texas sodomy laws. Wrote Birch in his sex toys opinion:"f we today craft a new fundamental right by which to invalidate the law, we would be bound to give that right full force and effect in all future cases -- including, for example, those involving adult incest, prostitution, obscenity, and the like."

In dissent, Barkett said Birch's analysis was in conflict with Lawrence. Quoting Justice Anthony M. Kennedy's majority decision in Lawrence, Barkett wrote, "Our obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to mandate our own moral code."

Barkett ended by suggesting that the court's reluctance to apply Lawrence to the Florida case had become "a stubborn unwillingness to consider relevant Supreme Court authority" in the Alabama case. Williams v. Attorney General of Alabama, No. 02-16135 (11th Cir. July 28, 2004).

BIRCH, BARKETT AGREED IN GA. CASE

This ongoing debate between Birch and Barkett may make them seem polar opposites on issues of sexual rights, but it's not that simple. Birch is a 1990 appointee of President Bush on the largely conservative 11th Circuit. In 1997, he joined Barkett, a former nun and 1994 President Clinton appointee considered one of the few liberals on the court, in a case about the rights of a homosexual Georgia lawyer.

Robin Shahar had sued then-Georgia Attorney General Michael J. Bowers for rescinding a job offer after he learned Shahar was going to have a marriage ceremony with her lesbian partner.

The 11th Circuit rejected Shahar's suit against Bowers, but Birch wrote a dissent, joined by Barkett and two others, arguing Shahar's relationship "qualifies as a protected intimate association under the First Amendment ... ." Shahar v. Bowers, 114 F.3d 1097 (11th Cir. 1997).

Comments from the American Civil Liberties Union, which represented the plaintiffs, could not be obtained by press time. Alabama AG Troy King issued a statement saying the 11th Circuit had "done its duty."

According to the Alabama trial judge's review of sex laws, only Georgia and Texas also have bans on sex toys. Alan I. Begner, an Atlanta lawyer who represents sex shops, said Georgia's ban is "nearly identical" to Alabama's law.

"On the face of it, sex toys are illegal to sell," Begner said, but he said shops can survive prosecution if they can prove their products are "for novelty use only."

The laws do not affect the use of Viagra or similar drugs, the 11th Circuit decision stated.

Begner added that in Georgia a physician may prescribe the use of a sex toy, but the allowance does not apply to a therapist who has only a Ph.D.

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It seems that Lawrence v. Texas will get its first judicial workout sooner than we anticipated. This ruling directly contradicts the Supreme Court's findings and opinion in that case, and will undoubtedly be struck.
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Ahh, now that's the kind of judicial activism God loves!
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How in the hell do you read Lawrence and NOT conclude sexual privacy is protected?
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RedImperator wrote:How in the hell do you read Lawrence and NOT conclude sexual privacy is protected?
Literacy is not a valued trait in that court's sphere of influence.
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RedImperator wrote:How in the hell do you read Lawrence and NOT conclude sexual privacy is protected?
It should take less than a day for the Supreme Court to reverse this decision on the appeal, which hopefully will lead to stronger judicial protections based on it and Lawrence for increased sexual freedom.
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That kinda sounds worse than here......... Technically, no one sure whether or not its legal or not to sell sex toys here at all.

And nobody gives a damn.
Although the SAF does takes a dim view of its soldiers smuggling in such toys home onboard its military aircraft and ships........ apparently, some of the excuses that come up are unbelievable.
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Let's not think of this as a violation of our rights. Saint Bush wants us to think positively, remember? This isn't a violation of our right to privacy. It's upholding our freedom from the right to privacy.
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Darth Wong wrote:
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That's why we have the Supreme Court. To prevent stupid rulings like this from going all the way.

Some people have different impressions of what is freedom and these stupid rulings are bound to happen.
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Are these good activist judges or bad Mr. Bush?

Christ, AlafuckingBama gets to set precedent on whether a woman gets to go to jail for having a dildo??
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-masturbates in public-

no privacy is sometimes a good thing.
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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


And that ladies and gentleman is the constitutional protection of the right of privacy, ALL privacy. The 11th court is in violation of the constitution of the United States. When this case reaches SCOTUS it will be shot down so quickly on the basis of the above two listed amendments.

For those who don't know what they mean.

4th amendment, no unreasonable searches and siezures. This means that you have a basic right of privacy that can not be violated unless a search warrant is used. This happens to protect you even if you are comitting criminal activities.

9th amendment. To sum it up.

"There are a shitload of rights that you are entitlted to and that we as a Government do not have the right to deny you. The problem is there are so many that we can't think of them all at this very moment and there isn't enough room on paper to list them. So we are going to make a catch all amendment stating you have these rights anyway."

FYI, Abortion falls under the 9th. Constitutionaly protected right.
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Alyeska wrote:Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
And this is why that ruling will be blown out of the water by the Supreme Court.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
And this is why that ruling will be blown out of the water by the Supreme Court.
4th and 9th actualy. 4th is important, but its also important to use the 9th as a basis for an actual right to privacy outright.
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Whoa-doggy! Alabama does judicial activism right! :x
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Thank goodness the Supreme Court has the last say.
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So, what would happen if, against the will of the SCOTUS and the American People, sex toys became a "Schedule 1 (translation: we don't want you using it AT ALL under any circumstances whatsofuckingever or we'll put you in a fucking cage for years with violent, hardened criminals because SO ARE YOU!!11 Nope, medical uses won't get you off the hook because to us THERE ARE NONE!)" Device, creating yet another class of criminals out of completely nonviolent people and justifying massive tax increases to "defray the costs of the War on Pornography and Sex Toys"? They did it with drugs, and the Bush Misadmininstration is stupid, bold, and evil enough to try.
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If I were an American, I'd be concerned about the Supreme Court one day becoming this backwards.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:If I were an American, I'd be concerned about the Supreme Court one day becoming this backwards.
That's why they get lifetime appointments and the Senate has to approve all nominees (unlike the House, the minority in the Senate has a great deal of power and can prevent any legislation from even reaching the floor so long as they have 41 votes).
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RedImperator wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:If I were an American, I'd be concerned about the Supreme Court one day becoming this backwards.
That's why they get lifetime appointments and the Senate has to approve all nominees (unlike the House, the minority in the Senate has a great deal of power and can prevent any legislation from even reaching the floor so long as they have 41 votes).
I guess, what with the state court rulings as of late and general political atmosphere, that the fear of having the highest echelon of order get infected and rot from the inside out is still there for some. Though the day the Supreme Court starts agreeing with these idiots is the day the US falls to bits internally.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:If I were an American, I'd be concerned about the Supreme Court one day becoming this backwards.
That's why they get lifetime appointments and the Senate has to approve all nominees (unlike the House, the minority in the Senate has a great deal of power and can prevent any legislation from even reaching the floor so long as they have 41 votes).
I guess, what with the state court rulings as of late and general political atmosphere, that the fear of having the highest echelon of order get infected and rot from the inside out is still there for some. Though the day the Supreme Court starts agreeing with these idiots is the day the US falls to bits internally.
At the same time we're getting idiocy like this, though, the Massachusetts Supreme Court is legalizing gay marriage and the 9th Circuit Court is declaring "under God" violates the 1st Amendment. It really depends on which states and which courts you look at (and which issues, for that matter).
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I dont know how this country managed 2 centuries with only *one* civil war. . .
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Enforcer Talen wrote:I dont know how this country managed 2 centuries with only *one* civil war. . .
Oh, please, when the voter turnout rate is less than 50%, it's pretty clear most people are content enough with their lives not to give a shit what the government's doing to other people.

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For fucks sake, are these magistrates and judges complete dumbfucks?
Why is it that such immoral laws are passed?

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`naeo wrote:For fucks sake, are these magistrates and judges complete dumbfucks?
Why is it that such immoral laws are passed?

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You know that would have been illegal in Texas a year ago. ;)
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