My New Pal: Adam Adler

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-07-28 03:58pm

Oh man. This is the worst one yet.....

(Actually wearing mini-skirts on TV was also a first. Star Trek tested the censoring limits, before Trek, miniskirts would've been unthinkable on national TV)

Do you ever check your facts before spouting such idiocy? Let's take a look...

According to www.startrek.com , the first Trek episode aired was The Man Trap, 8-Sep-66. So according to you, women were wearing burkhas before this? Let's take a look...

According to www.tvtome.com , Petticoat Junction aired it's first episode:

1. 1-1 001 24-Sep-1963 Spur Line to Shady Rest

Lots of scantily-clad women in that one.

Get Smart

1. 1-1 001 18-Sep-1965 Mr. Big

Yes, Agent 99 wore some great miniskirts back then...

That Girl

1. 1-1 005 08-Sep-1966 Don't Just Do Something, Stand There

Yup, Marlo Thomas wore miniskirts too...

Hate to bring up a cliche, but you really need to get out more, kid.

(Yes, not so much the Nazi thing as the black rights. THINK, it was in the 60s during the civil rights movement you bet it helped society gauge the impact.)

HOW? By having a black woman say "hailing frequencies open" on TV?? Do you honestly believe this was an important benchmark in the civil rights movement???

Jesus H. Christ...

(If, to you it is a movie then why are you spending so much time on it?)

Because I don't follow sports, I don't gamble, and don't waste my time with hokey religions. Star Wars doesn't take up a major portion of my life, kid.

(I am spending time on Trek because it is more than a show/movie, not only is it entertaining and scientific, it is also a view on socail events.)

... do I really have to answer the above? Now he's doing my job for me...

(I meant REAL tech)

The lightsaber I use to scratch my ass IS real tech. It lights up and goes "whoosh" as I point it at my backside.

(Ah, but I have. An impartial web traveler would see that i don't have to resort to personal attacks and that I make highly valid points as opposed to your weak ones)

Which valid point have you made, Poindexter? =snicker=

(The social impacts are only one aspect, the klingons in Star Trek AS A WHOLE, show that they are a diverse culture and they are shown as valued allies to the federation)

DIVERSE CULTURE????? When's the last time you saw a Klingon doctor, or school teacher, or anything OTHER than a snarling, eat-with-his-hands, long haired bellowing caveman?

(Ah, at last. transporters: Using a computer to convert people into a message, breaking that message down and transmitting it to where it should go. It has been done already on a molecular level.)

AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

(The problem now would be the computing power necessary for a whole person. They have that in Trek. replicators: same as transporters, using data patterns to generate the molecular double of an item, also being able to substitute materials. A somewhat similar thing to this already exists, being able to convert certain wasters into oil.)

Holy mother of fuck....

(FTL: See first message)

I didn't see proof of FTL there either.

(Genesis Device:??? got me there but to that I answer with Death Star planet smashing machine? Where is the internal gravity on stations? How do the sand hover crafts work?)

Hey dickfor, I wasn't the one saying those devices were feasible, was I?

(Are you telling me to live in the real world? Throughout the previous message I was noting the impacts that Star Trek has had on the real world, without Trek the "real workld" could be entirely different. Also, why would I live in the real world when I could live in a world of books?)

Well, books won't suck your cock for one thing. You go live in those books then, kid. I'll go live in a vagina.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-07-28 04:08pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Fleet Admiral Blair wrote:Did they even actually kiss? I don't remember the episode, but I recall reading somewhere that Nicholes and Shatner never actually kissed there.
I should watch that again. I don't remember.

They did, the actual episode was "Plato's Stepchildren". They were telekinetically forced into it.

Supposedly the network required them to shoot a take of this scene in which Kirk and Uhura didn't quite kiss, but Shatner deliberately made a face during the shot to force that version to be cut.

Darth Wong wrote:
Trek did effect the civil rights movement in an albiet small manner by putting a black woman on the bridge and a female as first officer (for one episode).
The episode with a female first officer never aired. And while Uhura was nominally a bridge officer, let's be serious. Look at what she did: SHE WAS THE FUCKING RECEPTIONIST.

"The Cage" did eventually air late in the first season as "The Menagerie".

According to Nichols, she told Martin Luther King Jr. that she was thinking of quitting the show because so many of her scenes were getting cut, but he recommended that she stay, noting that the first person anyone contacting that ship spoke to was a black woman.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-07-28 05:52pm

Sounds like Mr. King was more concerned about making actual contact with aliens.

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2004-07-28 05:59pm

Throughout the previous message I was noting the impacts that Star Trek has had on the real world, without Trek the "real world" could be entirely different.

Yeah, those dumbass scientists and engineers would've just sat on their useless asses doing absolutley nothing without the inspiration of a sci-fi show that got cancelled after 3 seasons.
The same goes for all those civil rights activists, etc.
Oh how did we ever achieve technological and social progress before Trek?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-28 06:46pm

Joe Momma wrote: does regarding discussion of the controversial issue of homosexuality. How wonderfully progressive ST is!

Actually, they seem to support it, if you watch the (rather disturbing) DS9 episode where Dax makes out with her former hosts ex-wife, who is also female...and everyone on the station thinks they should be together, etc.

Surprising, actually, since Star Trek always is obsessed with "the natural way of things" or "the natural development of society" or the natural this and natural that, you'd think that Starfleet would find that unnatural. Interesting loophole.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-28 06:49pm

(Ah, at last. transporters: Using a computer to convert people into a message, breaking that message down and transmitting it to where it should go. It has been done already on a molecular level.)

...is he insane? Or just lying on purpose?

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2004-07-28 06:55pm

Praxis wrote:
Joe Momma wrote: does regarding discussion of the controversial issue of homosexuality. How wonderfully progressive ST is!
Actually, they seem to support it, if you watch the (rather disturbing) DS9 episode where Dax makes out with her former hosts ex-wife, who is also female...and everyone on the station thinks they should be together, etc.

On the other hand, they always seem to do it through copouts like that.
Dax appears bisexual but has been a man.
7 of 9 hit on B'Ellana Torres but was possessed by a Klingon male's psyche at the time.
Intendant Kira is bisexual but is an evil mirror universe evil person.
Etc.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-07-28 07:13pm

I saw something in a book about how much processing power would be needed to beam a person with a transporter (I think it was The Physics of Star Trek). I'll look for it the next time I'm at the library, but I seem to recall that it was a number that even Moore's Law wouldn't allow us to reach by the time that TOS is supposed to occur.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-07-28 07:47pm

Praxis wrote:
(Ah, at last. transporters: Using a computer to convert people into a message, breaking that message down and transmitting it to where it should go. It has been done already on a molecular level.)
...is he insane? Or just lying on purpose?

IIRC it was done with a photon.

Someone check the scale, but I don't think photons even fall in the subnuclear size range, much less the molecular.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-28 08:18pm

Cao Cao wrote:Didn't they say that they nixed Number One's type of character because people wouldn't accept a female XO?

While that's been the common public story, it's nothing but a fabrication.

According to Inside Star Trek, the executives were actually very receptive to the idea of a female XO on Star Trek. It's the fact that the part was written purely as a vehicle for Roddenberry's mistress that they objected to.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-07-30 01:37pm

Do you think it would be possible yo use the Jedi religion as evidence that Star Wars has had a lasting effect on society like he claims Star Trek has?

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-07-30 02:08pm

Hell, if you really wnated to piss on him, tell there is now a Chruch of Sponge Bob

BTW I Know three people who are practictioners of the Jedi Way..

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-07-30 02:10pm

Dartzap wrote:BTW I Know three people who are practictioners of the Jedi Way..

So am I. At least according to the last UK census they sent me out.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-07-30 02:12pm

But i also know someone who put his relegion as "Vulcan Logic"

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-07-30 02:14pm

Dartzap wrote:But i also know someone who put his relegion as "Vulcan Logic"

Ok he wins. I knew i should have wrote tree hugger.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-07-30 04:11pm

2000AD wrote:Do you think it would be possible yo use the Jedi religion as evidence that Star Wars has had a lasting effect on society like he claims Star Trek has?

Depends on if it dies out or not. If doing it stops after Episode 3 comes out, it really isn't evidence of a lasting effect.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-07-31 01:56am

>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:45:28 -0700

Ok, Adam. This is the last one; I'm cutting you off after this. It's clear you're refusing to accept that you've been defeated in this argument.

>>1. 1-1 001 24-Sep-1963 Spur Line to Shady Rest

(NOT NBC!)

See, this is what I'm talking about, Adam. You're now trying to change the parameters of the argument with silliness like this. It doesn't matter that it wasn't NBC. It matters (as the original argument shows) that your claim that Star Trek broke the rules in terms of women being scantily clad on TV is completely wrong.

>>Get_Smart

> ( I didn't see any mention of miniskirts when I looked at TV tomes guide to that episode)

Shut up you fucking tool.

>>That_Girl

(NOT NBC. So now we have only one show on NBC which did not have miniskirts mentioned as a significant part. SO yes, Star Trek was the trend setter pushing the censors to the extreme. First itme for an NBC national broadcast, excuse me for not being clear in the last message thought that it would be a given.)

See, this is what we call being a cowardly little fucktard: by amending your idiotic conditions AFTER you've been smacked down. How old are you? 12?
You do know that CBS and ABC were and are nationally broadcast TV entities as well, don't you? Its funny, but I can still prove you wrong even if you keep adding conditions like the above. Get Smart started on NBC. I Dream of Jeannie (NBC, 1965-70), The Monkees (NBC, 1966-68)...

(YES, it was. Before that a black woman person did not play any important part at all on TV. IT was revolutionary not only because she was blacl but because she was a woman.)

And how did it bolster the civil rights movement, as you asserted previously? Concession Accepted.

(Star Wars doesn;t take up a major part of your life? That is proposturous, for everyone one of my letters you have sent a response back in less than 12 hours,)

Do you honestly think it takes me more than 5 minutes to respond to this tripe?

(you have a site dedicated to Star Wars if not more than one.)

Yes, that's called a hobby, not a career.

( I didn't say diverse occupations, I said diverse culture not relative to them but relative to everyone else. They are a warrior speceis, they like to battle, they have innumerable rituals and traditions. I think those fall under the category of diverse cultures.)

No, it doesn't. There's nothing diverse in a culture that shows every Klingon to be a warrior. Idiot.

Really, Adam, this is just pathetic.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-07-31 02:14am

Hmmm... not so entertaining once they start moving the goalposts randomly, are they? This guy got smoked like a salmon and came back for more. What a tool.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-07-31 05:39pm

(YES, it was. Before that a black woman person did not play any important part at all on TV. IT was revolutionary not only because she was blacl but because she was a woman.)

The first black woman to play a major role in a TV series was the actor who played Mrs. Jefferson in "The Jeffersons", I believe.
Certainly not Uhura.

(Star Wars doesn;t take up a major part of your life? That is proposturous, for everyone one of my letters you have sent a response back in less than 12 hours,)

Do they ALL start whining about how Star Wars isn't important when they are losing?

About 50% of the debatees on Mike Wong's site debate, then shout, "It's just a TV show!" and run off...seems he's halfway there