Riiiight... The native Americans are the ones who stole the land from their red brothers for its gold —oh, wait, that was the whites when they invaded the Black Hills when gold was discovered there, violating the treaties with the Lakota Sioux....
Not to mention how the native Americans exterminated the buffalo herds —oh, wait, Buffalo Bill and his fellow hunters were white. And of course there was the great Indian Oklahoma Rush —oh, wait...
All of which are irrelevant to the question of whether or not they slaughtered each other before the "evil" whiteman arrived. No one is defending the actions taken in the past- however I suggest you read up on the Aztec, Incas, and even the Mowhawk before you coronate the Indians with the "holier then thou" crown.
Nice little Red Herring. The issue of whatever violence the indian peoples committed against each other is totally irrelevant to the issue of the wholesale ethnic cleansing and forced-resettlement carried out by the white man when he came to take their land for its spaces and its resources —particularly gold.
And of course those awful native Americans killed each other for the land to build their railroads —oh, wait, that was Union Pacific and Central Pacific.
Which is one best examples of the evil that results when you have corrupt bussinessmen with political connections.
Which defeats the argument how? This was more than "corrupt buisnessmen with political connections", this was the U.S. Army being employed to eliminate any opposition to a land-grab on behalf of the Union Pacific and Central Pacific railroads —who also employed a private army of hunters to eliminate the indians' main source of food, furs, and materials for toolmaking, the buffalo; thus eliminating their means of independent living altogether. And what sort of system do you imagine produces the "corrupt buisnessmen with political connections" in the first place?
Capitalism is a useful system, but a read-through of the history of capitalism unrestrained by law or in some cases corrupting the machinery of the law is necessary before coronating it with the crown of perfection.
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Peregrin Toker wrote:
Etymologically, "National Socialism" just means a political systems which combined elements from Nationalism and Socialism. Aside from the Third Reich, it can also be used to describe a variety of regimes from Juan Peron to Pol Pot and even Stalin.
Thats nice..but that hack article failed to mention how, and show how, that applied to Moore.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
When are you going to show how that article you posted proves that Moore supports totalitarism?
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
Peregrin Toker wrote:
Etymologically, "National Socialism" just means a political systems which combined elements from Nationalism and Socialism. Aside from the Third Reich, it can also be used to describe a variety of regimes from Juan Peron to Pol Pot and even Stalin.
Thats nice..but that hack article failed to mention how, and show how, that applied to Moore.
I get the impression that the author of the article wanted to compare Michael Moore to Hitler. (and to be honest, I don't see how Moore is a nationalist)
But remember Godwin's law.
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Godwin's law only applies to large unmoderated enviroments. This is not a large unmoderated enviroment.
The Admin & mods; split the offending posts elsewere or just delete them, give demeaning titles & avatars, lock someones account, remove the ability to reply in a given forum, can Username or IP-ranged based bans, etc.
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Capitalism is a useful system, but a read-through of the history of capitalism unrestrained by law or in some cases corrupting the machinery of the law is necessary before coronating it with the crown of perfection.
The problem is that Capitalism and Communism are relatively "new" social and economic phenomena. Before that we had Merchantilism, and before that, Feudalism, etc., all the way back to the Early Coin and Barter economies.
Darth Wong wrote:I love Blkberry's logic: "A is not bad if B can be shown to be bad too." The term "red-herring" obviously does not occur to him.
A fucking stupid as hell Red Herring, at that.
This "The indians had wars too!" argument is an insult, not even the Godwin's Law "worthy" Aztecs ever waged fucking genocide...
