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MrAnderson wrote:
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MrAnderson wrote: I am calling in defamation. American citizens at a rally doig nothing but using their right to freedom of speech are not goons.
They went to a John Kerry rally to disrupt John Kerry's speech while he was exercising his right to free speech. Many label *that* as rude and oafish behaviour. Kerry calling them 'goons' was appropriate considering their actions.

What a load of bullshit. Rude bystanders at conventions is infinitely more common a tactic of the liberals.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech it is not a requirement for others to listen. There was no infringement upon the French Lookings rights or freedoms.
Oh, how nice of you to ignore my example of Bush and freedom of expression. Keep up the good work. :roll:

Oh, and do you have proof that rude bystanders are a common tactic of the liberals (wtf is a French Looking?). If yes, then I expect to see it in your next post.

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MrAnderson wrote: What a load of bullshit. Rude bystanders at conventions is infinitely more common a tactic of the liberals.
We're talking about the actions of these particular people and Kerry's response. Your stereotypes, appeals to popularity, or appeals to foolery aren't really applicable. At least you admitted they were rude.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech it is not a requirement for others to listen. There was no infringement upon the French Lookings rights or freedoms.
What's your point?!? Interrupting someone while they're speaking is rude and oafish whether you have the right to or not. They did it to intimidate Kerry and interrupt his speech. Kerry exercised his free speech (if that's what he actually said) and called them goons. That's part of what a 'goon' does (intimidate people into stopping something), and the metaphor was appropriate. If he wasn't running for president he'd probably have told them to f-- off.
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Only a raving idiot would think that "goon" is such a precisely defined term that its use can be considered slanderous, never mind being on the same level as people who literally accused the Clintons of murder.
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Durandal wrote:
Oh give me a fucking break. The Democrats weren't the ones who spent millions of dollars on a 5-month long campaign whose sole purpose was to carpet bomb Kerry's character.

Of course not. It would be really, really stupid if the democrats did do that! ...Carpet bomb Kerry's character, I mean.



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I think the point was, Bobby, that the Dems don't blatantly try to assasinate Shrubby's character on TV...Attack ads ran rampantly here in FLA....all anti-Kerry, but when Kerry's ads ran they all carried positive messages...one ad ended "I approve this message because together, we can blah blah blah healthcare and so forth...." minus the blah blah and soforth.

Or did you forget your smiley? :wink:
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"Why does no one say anything about this? Democrat politicians running for office over the last 10 years have been extremely virulent in their personal attacks upon Republicans. Never did you hear a high ranking republican or his wife in 1996 suggest that a vote for Clinton was a vote for 4 more years of life in hell.
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Maybe its because no one would have called life under clinton life in hell, whereas under bush that is exactly what it is. And maybe the reason we all call bush a complete moron, is that he is a complete moron, just watch the man talk
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Gandalf wrote:
Elfdart wrote:If Kerry wanted to get personal, he would mention Bush's desertion from REMF duty in the National Guard in every appearance. Since Republicans have attacked Kerry's wife, he would be more than justified in pointing out that like her husband and Dick Cheney, Laura Bush has problems behind the wheel of a car. She once ran a STOP sign and killed a teenager. And don't even mention an illegal abortion in 1971.
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Wow. Why, in nearly 4 years of watching Bush, has this never come up?
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It did not take long for John Kerry to publicly call the people George W. Bush's goons or for his wife to publically state that the people in question wanted four more years of hell.
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Xenophobe3691 wrote: Are you serious about that plot to blackmail Clinton?
Does a hobby-horse have a wooden dick?

When it became clear that Starr couldn't come up with enough dirt on Clinton in the Whitewater case to charge him with so much as a parking ticket, and Starr's golden parachute to Pepperdine was snatched away, he started delving into Clinton's sex life. Why? In the hopes that they would find something embarassing and effectively blackmail him from office.

That's why they floated the rumor that Clinton had a 13-year-old love child with a black crack whore. That's why they tried to get Monica Lewinsky to wear a wire and visit Clinton again (this was after they stopped seeing each other, which makes Starr and his henchmen pretty sick fucks). The even demanded that Clinton prove his dick wasn't bent like a candycane.

That's why they used some incredibly thuggish tactics against Julie Hyatt Steele (threatening to take away the baby she adopted), Susan McDougal and others to either claim they were fucking Clinton or to corroborate others who did. Why? Blowjobs are legal in most of the country -including the District. Adultery hasn't been prosecuted as a criminal matter in decades; it's been considered a civil matter and grounds for divorce instead.

They went sniffing Clinton's sheets and inspecting his jockey shorts to try to come up with enough dirt to embarass him and run him out of office. If you remember the news channels during the grand peur, Republicans kept hinting that there was worse stuff in Starr's files and called on Clinton to resign. This was an obvious and inept attempt at blackmail. What they forgot was that Clinton was a man with no shame whatsoever. He called their bluff, saying there was no way in hell he was quitting.

They impeached him, their case was laughed out of the Republican Senate, where the GOP couldn't even get a simple majority, let alone a two-thirds vote, and a few of those who led the attack on Clinton (like Henry "the Homewrecker" Hyde) were exposed by Larry Flint, Salon and others. The whole impeachment farce was just a way for the loony Right to save face because Clinton (emulating Brer Rabbit) called their bluff when they tried to blackmail him.

What was even nastier was what happened afterward. The House Republicans (and their agitprop arm at places like Fox News) then started reaching into the shitpile even deeper than Starr was willing to go. They brought out Juanita Broaddrick to tell eveyone that she had been raped by Clinton, in spite of the fact that she had denied under oath that any such thing ever happened. The howl-at-the-moon Right (including Matt Sludge) even hounded NBC News into running an interview with Broaddrick. The nuts even claimed that Clinton had raped other women.

Why would they do this? The answer comes from Clinton's first term. The extreme Right was livid that Clinton had beaten Bush so badly. So they called him a coke dealer, murderer and crook and circulated a videotape accusing him of stringing out a 15-year-old girl on coke and implied that he was fucking her. After The Clinton Chronicles, The American Spectator and other skinhead outlets started a barrage of libel against Clinton, there were three well-publicized assassination attempts.

One Limbaugh fan (Francisco Duran) fired a rifle through the White House fence at a man he thought was Clinton. Another (Frank Eugene Corder) did a kamikaze attack on the White House in a two-seater plane. And dittohead Ronald Gene Barber was arrested by the police and secret service after stalking Clinton with a .45 pistol as Clinton went jogging. He also tried to ambush Clinton in Washington, D.C.. Barber was a huge dittohead who boasted that he would kill Clinton if he ever got the chance.

What the lunatic Right were hoping for was some unbalanced nutball who would take their bullshit seriously and act on it by killing the President. Think I'm exaggerating? Then why did two popular anti-Clinton bumper stickers read as follows?:

Ready, Aim, FIRE CLINTON!

and

Where's Oswald when we need him?

Jesse "The Hutt" Helms even threatened Clinton before he visited Fort Bragg, saying he had better bring his bodyguards.

But of course Kerry is oh so vicious for calling hecklers "goons" - a apocryphal story from a disreputable slime machine. "Apocryphal" is Latin (or Greek?) for "unbelievable horseshit".
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You wanna talk about "French-looking"?


Two words:

Laetitia Casta!

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I would like all of the people who claim that Clinton never suffered such harassment to state their ages. Because if you weren't an adult during Clinton's tenure, then quite frankly, I don't see what valid direct memories you would have of the politics during that period.

I was an adult during all of Clinton's tenure, and I have never seen a more sustained, hateful campaign of harassment, slander, and general ill-will directed toward an American leader, particularly when one considers how virtually all of the vitriol was directed not at specific policy actions he'd taken, but at the Right's spluttering spittle-spraying hatred of Clinton the Man, and his Character.
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Can you imagine what Republicans (especially Rush Windbag and Sean Insanity) would have done if Hillary Clinton had run over and killed someone?

They'd have been all over her like Old Navy on white trash!
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Elfdart wrote:They'd have been all over her like Old Navy on white trash!
:lol:

Is there any proof that the guy in the light plane was really trying a kamakaze attack? I'm not really being contentious here, I've simply never heard that, I thought it was an accident...
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Good God man, that reminds me of a certain Flem comic. Captures the scene appropriately.

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Funny I thought that voting for Kerry = excommunication/express ticket to hell in Republican eyes. :roll:
Watch me not feel sympathy for people who get called goons heckling at a rally.
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Darth Wong wrote:I would like all of the people who claim that Clinton never suffered such harassment to state their ages. Because if you weren't an adult during Clinton's tenure, then quite frankly, I don't see what valid direct memories you would have of the politics during that period.
Honestly, you don't need to have been an adult during Clinton's presidency to know about the flak he took for merely existing.
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Howedar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I would like all of the people who claim that Clinton never suffered such harassment to state their ages. Because if you weren't an adult during Clinton's tenure, then quite frankly, I don't see what valid direct memories you would have of the politics during that period.
Honestly, you don't need to have been an adult during Clinton's presidency to know about the flak he took for merely existing.
True; I may have overstated the age issue somewhat, but a 16 year old (for example) would have been 4 years old when Clinton took office. Therefore, it seems reasonable to surmise that a 16 year old would not have been politically aware for a substantial portion of Clinton's tenure.
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Jesus, I didn't realize I was that young. Even if I do remember debating HW Bush vs. Clinton in like second grade or something. Scary.

But yeah, a 16 year old (or 20 for that matter) would not have a full grasp of the entire length of his presidency.
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I was 15 when Clinton's presidency began and 23 when it ended. All things considered, I vastly prefer the way we had things under Clinton to the way they are under Bush the Younger. Betsy is NOT enjoying looking for a job as a new graduate when every job in her field requires 2-5 years of experience to get your foot in the door.
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Frank Hipper wrote:
Elfdart wrote:They'd have been all over her like Old Navy on white trash!
:lol:

Is there any proof that the guy in the light plane was really trying a kamakaze attack? I'm not really being contentious here, I've simply never heard that, I thought it was an accident...
He told witnesses that he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory and he had been badmouthing Clinton before the crash. The Secret Service said they had no previous file of him, but they didn't have one on other would-be assassins, either. When you deliberately crash into the White House who are you going after? Socks the cat?
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Elfdart wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:
Elfdart wrote:They'd have been all over her like Old Navy on white trash!
:lol:

Is there any proof that the guy in the light plane was really trying a kamakaze attack? I'm not really being contentious here, I've simply never heard that, I thought it was an accident...
He told witnesses that he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory and he had been badmouthing Clinton before the crash. The Secret Service said they had no previous file of him, but they didn't have one on other would-be assassins, either. When you deliberately crash into the White House who are you going after? Socks the cat?
Don't fool yourself. Socks was a major player on the international scene, having brought numerous plans for the unification of Eastern Europe and a working flat-tax proposal to the table. Sadly, he was just a cat, and no one read them.
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Iceberg wrote:Betsy is NOT enjoying looking for a job as a new graduate when every job in her field requires 2-5 years of experience to get your foot in the door.
That's always been the eternal plaintive cry of the young; "experience
required", now HOW THE FUCK am I supposed to get experience if you
won't hire me? :wtf:
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Also, don't you remember the joke from the Clinton years?

"The Economy is so great I've got TWO JOBS!"

*ding*

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Durandal wrote:
Elfdart wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote: :lol:

Is there any proof that the guy in the light plane was really trying a kamakaze attack? I'm not really being contentious here, I've simply never heard that, I thought it was an accident...
He told witnesses that he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory and he had been badmouthing Clinton before the crash. The Secret Service said they had no previous file of him, but they didn't have one on other would-be assassins, either. When you deliberately crash into the White House who are you going after? Socks the cat?
Don't fool yourself. Socks was a major player on the international scene, having brought numerous plans for the unification of Eastern Europe and a working flat-tax proposal to the table. Sadly, he was just a cat, and no one read them.
Durandal, you commie fag! Don't you realize it was Socks who dumped Vince Foster's body in the park. The scratch marks in the sand should've been your first clue. :P *
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MKSheppard wrote:Also, don't you remember the joke from the Clinton years?

"The Economy is so great I've got TWO JOBS!"

*ding*

"Would you like fries with that?"
Joke from Dubya's presidency:

"What jobs?"
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