Ideological preference?

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-03 07:05pm

What do you think the best political Ideology is?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-08-03 07:23pm

Rational thinking.

Oh wait, that seems to be completely incompatable with political ideologies.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-08-03 07:33pm

judging candidates based on their proposed policies rather than any particular party alignment. which most people tend to sadly not do and rathe tick the box of whoever happens to be in the party in that they agree with.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-03 08:01pm

Libertarianism with a healthy dose of pragmatism(economically somewhere between GOP and Libertarian, socially.. it is your life, so long as you dont violate the rights of others I cont care how much crack you smoke)

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-08-03 08:51pm

Close to Alyrium, though I suspect my version of paradise would have the state and local governments more active than his, especially in things like city planning.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-08-03 08:59pm

The Monster Raving Looney Party. Why don't people see that our problems would end if only we abolish Wedesnday?

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-03 09:04pm

I would probably go for less military spending if one could actually pull it off and replacing that money that goes to other nations/military with more social programs to help people. I know the money has to come from somewhere. I like quasi-socialsim with liberal classical freedoms.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-03 09:47pm

RedImperator wrote:Close to Alyrium, though I suspect my version of paradise would have the state and local governments more active than his, especially in things like city planning.

Problem when you have to much government involvement with city planning is that I cant pay the starving single mothers and their illegitimate children 70 cents an hour to dig deeper gutters infront of my house for them to sleep in. I would actually have to get a permit for that.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-08-03 09:54pm

Post apocalyptic theocracy with me as it's living god.

In the real world, fairly left, though I'm and evil quasi socialist commie european, brought up in a hell with free state healthcare and education.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-08-03 10:17pm

Darth_Zod wrote:judging candidates based on their proposed policies rather than any particular party alignment.

You have to be careful there, a lot of the promises candidates make, they can't guarantee. Things like tax cuts, etc, are determined by the Senate and such, so if they don't vote it in, the President can't do jack about it.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-03 10:24pm

That is why, as president, I would handily Veto their budget unless it is very very low. YAY FOR GRIDLOCK!!!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-08-03 10:32pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:That is why, as president, I would handily Veto their budget unless it is very very low. YAY FOR GRIDLOCK!!!

I somehow suspect the unified love of pork would cause a compromise above the level needed to override your puny veto powers. And you would be committing political suicide.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-03 10:39pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:That is why, as president, I would handily Veto their budget unless it is very very low. YAY FOR GRIDLOCK!!!
I somehow suspect the unified love of pork would cause a compromise above the level needed to override your puny veto powers. And you would be committing political suicide.

I think the people will LOVE the massive taxcut that is a fixed percentage of their income tax for everyone. I think the people will LOVe the massive refund they get once I cancel the war on drugs.... I think the people will LOVE me for increasing funds for law enforcement to fight real criminals(well at the federal level)...

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2004-08-03 10:46pm

This is my optimal situation:
Robots take over all labor. AI is put in charge. People do whatever they feel like and get whatever they want.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-08-03 11:24pm

Murderous Sociopath Party. Death solves every problem.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-08-04 01:45am

Seggybop wrote:This is my optimal situation:
Robots take over all labor. AI is put in charge. People do whatever they feel like and get whatever they want.

Then the robots kill us all.

I'm fairly similar to RedImp and Aly. There is a rather limited amount of what the government should do. Highways, the military, law enforcement, and the like.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-08-04 02:02am

Healthcare and education is free for all. Modifications to the school ciriculim will include critical thinking. How to think for yourself would be tought with religious zeal. The legal-system will be based on a moral framework derived from principles dealing with harm caused to others by action or negligence. The framework can be used to override the letter of the law should it conflict with the spirit of the law.

There will be higher taxes to accomodate state run services. However for those that don't like the idea of paying for services that they don't use there will be an opt out system. Your default tax code gives you access to all services while putting you in the higher tax bracket. What you can do is fill out a form that lets you remove various services from your list. i.e. you can choose to go with your own health provider or insurance scheme if you don't want to use public clinics/hospitals, or you can opt not to use public colledges. If you do opt out, and it turns out that there is a service that you'd like to take advantages of, then all you have to do is show up, present your tax number and you're instantly granted access to that service and your tax code is adjusted automatically (this is to avoid beurocracy in emergency situations.) You'll remain in the higher tax bracket for x amount of time until the service has been paid for. Either as a percentage of income through the tax system or as a lump sum if you wish to opt out early and return to the lower tax bracket.

Probably the most important part will be a government department dedicated to quality control and oversite for government services.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-08-04 02:31am

Beowulf wrote:
Seggybop wrote:This is my optimal situation:
Robots take over all labor. AI is put in charge. People do whatever they feel like and get whatever they want.
Then the robots kill us all.

Make them commie AI, join the Culture today.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-04 04:10am

I would remove 99% of government regulations in order to demonstrate once and for all the utter folly of libertarianism. In the ensuing disaster, I would avoid political suicide by blaming it on liberals, because libertarianism starts with "liber".

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-08-04 04:49am

Darth Wong wrote:I would remove 99% of government regulations in order to demonstrate once and for all the utter folly of libertarianism. In the ensuing disaster, I would avoid political suicide by blaming it on liberals, because libertarianism starts with "liber".

Ah, social teach-you-fuckers-rightism.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-08-04 10:22am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:judging candidates based on their proposed policies rather than any particular party alignment.
You have to be careful there, a lot of the promises candidates make, they can't guarantee. Things like tax cuts, etc, are determined by the Senate and such, so if they don't vote it in, the President can't do jack about it.

definitely. of course some policies are more easily spotted as being horseshit as opposed to others. such as shrubby's removal of the IRS.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-08-04 11:04am

SirNitram wrote:The Monster Raving Looney Party. Why don't people see that our problems would end if only we abolish Wedesnday?

Considering how hard it was getting up this morning? I agree.

Seriously, however... I just would like to see a politician that actually KEEPS HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES.

Like that will ever happen.

My idealogy is "Who's going to do the least damage, or try to fix the damage the last guy did."

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-04 01:36pm

Darth Wong wrote:I would remove 99% of government regulations in order to demonstrate once and for all the utter folly of libertarianism. In the ensuing disaster, I would avoid political suicide by blaming it on liberals, because libertarianism starts with "liber".

I figure we can get along just fine on a few common sense ones.

Including but not limited to

Redundant systems for power generation
Do not build your shit out of hazerdous materials or cut corners in building constuction.

Things of that nature. A lot of the regulations we have now though were put in place as PORK by lobbyists(Case in point, a booze manufacturer in California put a competitor out of business by making his whisky aging process, which was completely safe and made good booze, illegal by lobbying the state legistlature.)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-04 01:38pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I would remove 99% of government regulations in order to demonstrate once and for all the utter folly of libertarianism. In the ensuing disaster, I would avoid political suicide by blaming it on liberals, because libertarianism starts with "liber".
I figure we can get along just fine on a few common sense ones.

Including but not limited to

Redundant systems for power generation
Do not build your shit out of hazerdous materials or cut corners in building constuction.

And people will find ways around such simplistic legislation almost immediately, which is one of the reasons why laws are complicated. The other reason is that life is complicated; to use your example, the building code alone is mammoth.

Things of that nature. A lot of the regulations we have now though were put in place as PORK by lobbyists(Case in point, a booze manufacturer in California put a competitor out of business by making his whisky aging process, which was completely safe and made good booze, illegal by lobbying the state legistlature.)

Abuse of the process does not prove that we should throw 99% of it out the window, nor does it prove that you can have a functional government on a tiny fraction of its current budget.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-04 01:56pm

I didnt men that to be the exact phrasing of the law, but rather to be it spirit. Building codes do of course need to large because of the various stresses buildings are put through. Have to make sure they dont collapse and have a method in place to punish the builders if they do(and if it was the builders fault)

The common sense stuff can stay, but do we really need laws on (example, may or may not exis) The length of the knife used to cu the meat at a meat packing plant?

ANd yes, we can have a functioning government with a reduced budget. SOme of the services the government provides will be cut however.