Any Saxton-trivia in the new "Inside the Worlds..."

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2004-08-04 02:37am

VT-16 wrote:Oh well this is just great, they spent time writing about and drawing a tank-turned-dozer and they didn´t even bother with the ships in the Endor battle? Wow, this is... wow. Star WARS ya know, not Star CONSTRUCTION.

That dozer is nothing more than a tiny low detail object amoungst the entire two page overview of Mos Eisley and the only information on it is literally a few words simply pointing out what it is and what its doing, it doesnt even give it an official name.

Their is only so much you can put into these books and since it is meant to focus on the worlds of the classic trilogy, thats precisely what it does and it is does it very well.

The only way they will detail the ships is if they make a revised version of the ICS for the original trilogy or make a Return of the Jedi ICS. I personally don't see them doing an ICS for each of the original movies at all, but an updated and revised version of the original ICS with Curtis Saxton as consultant could easily be done.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-04 02:40am

Ah, I see. Well put.

Any other interesting trivia you´ve found?

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2004-08-04 02:48am

Yes actually, their is a "Lambda class Shuttle" in flight in the overview of Mos Eisley, however, it is of a different configuration that I don't think has been seen anywhere before. Its got single a cannon on the top wing, and a what appears to be a large twin barreled cannon on the tip of each folding wing.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-04 02:52am

Index, man, what's all listed on the index?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-04 02:59am

Galvatron wrote: I don't think Curtis makes that distinction. He routinely refers to ISDs as "destroyers" without the "star" prefix.

It's how the dinky "Dreadnoughts" and "Cruisers" of the EU are smaller than a Star Destroyer. I can't remember where exactly it is on the page.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2004-08-04 03:00am

Contents

Introduction - 5
Tatooine - 6
Lars Homestead - 8
Tosche Station - 10
Ben's House - 11
Mos Eisley - 12
The Cantina - 14
The Death Star - 16
The Great Temple - 18
Battle of Hoth - 20
Echo Base - 22
Dagobah - 26
Yoda's House - 28
Cloud City - 30
Processing Vane - 32
Jabba's Palace - 34
Jabba's Throne Room - 36
Battle of Endor - 38
Ewok Village - 40
Death Star II - 42
Emperor's Lair - 44
Executor Command Tower - 46
Acknowledgements - 48

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-04 03:02am

So has anyone done precise speed calcs now that we know the distances of the significant OT planets from the core?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-04 03:16am

Vympel wrote:So has anyone done precise speed calcs now that we know the distances of the significant OT planets from the core?

For some planets that's going to be downright impossible until we get a map that shows their exact position within the Galaxy.

Relative distances from the Core doesn't tell you much when two planets could be located on any side of the Galaxy from each other. We might have to wait until the RotS ITW book for that...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-04 03:22am

Introduction - 5
Tatooine - 6
Lars Homestead - 8
Tosche Station - 10
Ben's House - 11
Mos Eisley - 12
The Cantina - 14
The Death Star - 16
The Great Temple - 18
Battle of Hoth - 20
Echo Base - 22
Dagobah - 26
Yoda's House - 28
Cloud City - 30
Processing Vane - 32
Jabba's Palace - 34
Jabba's Throne Room - 36
Battle of Endor - 38
Ewok Village - 40
Death Star II - 42
Emperor's Lair - 44
Executor Command Tower - 46

Must. Find. Book.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-04 03:27am

Yeah, thanks for that, Icehawk. Until now, I didn't know it was possible to have an orgasm and piss your pants at the same time...

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-08-04 03:47am

Would someone like to tell me what status this has? ICS has been said to be quasi canon bassed off the fact that its used heavily by the people who make the movie and recognised as such. This book however I don't see as being anything more or less then (especialy as its bassed on the OT not the prequals) another offical source.

Unless of course someone has a statement to the opposite effect....

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-04 03:51am

There hasn't really been a statement regarding the ITW books, but considering that they're almost exactly like them in format and presentation, it's generally considered that they're on the same level as the ICSs.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-04 03:53am

Chris OFarrell wrote:Would someone like to tell me what status this has? ICS has been said to be quasi canon bassed off the fact that its used heavily by the people who make the movie and recognised as such. This book however I don't see as being anything more or less then (especialy as its bassed on the OT not the prequals) another offical source.

Unless of course someone has a statement to the opposite effect....

"quasi canon" is a euphemism for official.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2004-08-04 03:56am

I think its safe to assume these are on the same level as the ICS considering they are the exact same format with the same if not greater level of detail and research put into them, and it is those reasons which Lucasfilm used to back putting canon status to the ICS line of books.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-08-04 03:58am

Well, since it covers movie stuff, it must be "G" level canon if you ask me.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-08-04 04:04am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I must say however I personally disagree with the assertion by Dr. Saxton that the Executor is a Star Dreadnought; it is far more dedicating of its mass and volume to carrier and command operations than to outright ship-to-ship fighting.

I would refer to Giel's flagship as an example of an Imperial Star Battleship, and perhaps the Soveriegn and Eclipse as proper Star Dreadnoughts.

Also, the classification of the Executor as a Star Supercarrier or Star Commandship made it much easier to justify some of the incidents it got spanked in the EU with wimpy force.

Perhaps at the time of its construction "dreadnought" was the most appropriate classification for the Executor? After all, we're assuming that warships of its size were unprecedented for the duration of the Empire and the Old Republic, yes?

Futhermore, I've never been comfortable with the designation of "command ship" being official for the Executor-class since it conjures visions of the USS La Salle, which is a mere converted amphib yet officially classified as a command ship by the US Navy.

I imagine Curtis would classify the Sovereign and Eclipse-classes as super star dreadnoughts, but that's just a guess.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-04 04:07am

Why? While bulkier than the Executor-class, they're about the same size.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-08-04 04:08am

Vympel wrote:Why? While bulkier than the Executor-class, they're about the same size.

Because of their superlasers, I'd imagine.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-08-04 04:38am

Master of Ossus wrote:I'd like to see Pabawan's reaction to this on SW.com. And Dark Moose's.

From here, we will witness the final destruction of the fan boys, and the end of this insignificant stupidity.

Pablo doubtless knew about it and hence posted his little "preview" on SW.com... the only difference was, as we saw from the quote on the site, he slanted the quote in favor of HIS interpretation of things.

The comment on Endor's fate is not really all that specific in the book. Its ambiguity leaves alot of openings for the Anti-Holocaust crowd to wiggle in. In fact, the total absencec of any mention of global-scale destrtuction could be arggued as proof it didn't occur, and that any hazardous debris heading towards the moon was taken care of by the Rebels.

As it is, alot more corrections got pushed through than I would have imagined (like with the Executor, the DS2, etc.) , so that is a minor point, but I obviously would not consider the fanwhores defeated (at least where Endor is concerned.)

Another point that was poorly handled was the Executor's shield rating. That too is kind of too ambiguous to be precisely useful (what kind of star,? are we talking about instantaneous dissipation or overall energy absorption capability? Or is it referring to power requirements? Does surface area matte,r etc.) Quotes like that are already too common as it is, and they tend to leave too much room for nitpickers to manuver in. (EG Slave ship, Dodonna quote, BDZ discussions, etc.)

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-04 05:12am

Icehawk, what does the book have to say about the Executor command tower other than the scanning globes? Does it say something about the number of levels, functions of rooms etc?

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-08-04 06:12am

Ok so in short we have nothing saying its status should be anything but general offical, excepting pure speculation.

I am very VERY hesitant to ever put anything into the higher up catogories then the default offical rating given. Unless a clear statement is made about it. The ICS books are actualy an explicate exception that I don't think has been given to anything else ever.

So if someone could get an answer on it it would be helpful.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-04 09:09am

Ok so in short we have nothing saying its status should be anything but general offical, excepting pure speculation.

I am very VERY hesitant to ever put anything into the higher up catogories then the default offical rating given. Unless a clear statement is made about it. The ICS books are actualy an explicate exception that I don't think has been given to anything else ever.

So if someone could get an answer on it it would be helpful.

Is it a big issue? In terms of PSW, its a clear victory for movie primacy over the absurd EU-supremacist faction. That's whats important, after all.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-08-04 10:00am

Vympel wrote:
Ok so in short we have nothing saying its status should be anything but general offical, excepting pure speculation.

I am very VERY hesitant to ever put anything into the higher up catogories then the default offical rating given. Unless a clear statement is made about it. The ICS books are actualy an explicate exception that I don't think has been given to anything else ever.

So if someone could get an answer on it it would be helpful.
Is it a big issue? In terms of PSW, its a clear victory for movie primacy over the absurd EU-supremacist faction. That's whats important, after all.

True. But I would just like to know WHERE in the EU it stands before I go beating up on 8 klick SSD nuts

(regardless of what the movie shows)

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-04 10:40am

note that the DK books are considered SW "non fiction", and the only source other than the SW Chronicles the people that are making Ep 3 use as a reference.

The quote from Lord Poe seems pretty clear to me, they are considered genuine "fact books" about the universe seen in the movies, as opposed to other guides that are older and incorrect or being used for RPG-purposes. The film-crew uses them for references when they need help with things in the movies they´re making. Seems pretty unprecedented to me.

For instance, if one of the older movies showed a droid that is made up of various droid parts, and one of them is stated to belong to a specific type of droid, as stated in one of the DK books, then if the crew wanted to make the complete droid in a new movie, they could consult the book to see what it is supposed to look like. If there´s no pic, they could use the naming and function of the droid to determine what it should look like.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-08-04 10:42am

Chris OFarrell wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Ok so in short we have nothing saying its status should be anything but general offical, excepting pure speculation.

I am very VERY hesitant to ever put anything into the higher up catogories then the default offical rating given. Unless a clear statement is made about it. The ICS books are actualy an explicate exception that I don't think has been given to anything else ever.

So if someone could get an answer on it it would be helpful.
Is it a big issue? In terms of PSW, its a clear victory for movie primacy over the absurd EU-supremacist faction. That's whats important, after all.
True. But I would just like to know WHERE in the EU it stands before I go beating up on 8 klick SSD nuts (regardless of what the movie shows)

It shouldn't stop ya...because the 8KM is considered among the lower(given the SW.com site uses the silly 12.

That and the movies do show 17.6...so this is just a confirmation of it. Though given the newest statement from LFL...likely this would be C level material.