First Mid-Course Interceptor Emplaced
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First Mid-Course Interceptor Emplaced
ST. LOUIS, July 22, 2004 — The Boeing [NYSE: BA] Ground Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) program team and the Missile Defense Agency emplaced the first GMD interceptor in its underground silo at Fort Greely, Alaska on July 22.
The operation involved the use of a special crane to lower the interceptor into the silo. The interceptor is the first of up to 16 planned for emplacement at the GMD site at Fort Greely by the end of 2005. Earlier this month, the Boeing GMD Team and MDA dedicated the GMD site, marking completion of construction at the site.
The GMD system consists of integrated ground-based interceptors, a variety of sensors and an expansive battle management command, control and communications network, capable of protecting the homeland from a limited long-range ballistic missile attack.
As prime contractor for the GMD program, Boeing is responsible for the development and integration of the GMD system components, including the ground-based interceptor; ground-based radar prototype; battle management, command, control and communication systems; early warning radars; and interfaces to the Defense Support Program early warning satellite system. Other GMD team members include Orbital Sciences Corp., Raytheon, Northrop-Grumman and Lockheed Martin.
When declared operational by the government, the GMD system will be operated by U.S. Northern Command.
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Alaska Interceptor First in Defense System
U.S. Army Major Gen. John Holly, program director for the Ground-based Midcourse Defense system, talks about the system at Ft. Greely near Delta Junction, Alaska Thursday, July 21, 2004, as workers in the background prepare to lower the first Ground Based Interceptor, GBI, into it's silo. The GBI is part of the multi-billion dollar Ground-based Midcourse Defense anti-missile system which will have five GBIs ready for operational use by the end of September. (AP Photo/Mark Farmer )
By RACHEL D'ORO, Associated Press Writer
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A ground-based missile interceptor was installed Thursday in Alaska's Interior — the first component of a national defense system designed to shoot down enemy missiles.
Crews at Fort Greely lowered the 55-foot-long, three-stage interceptor into one of six silos built behind a double perimeter fence reinforced by heavy barbed wire.
"We're coming to the end of an era where we have not been able to defend our country against long-range ballistic missile attacks," said Major Gen. John Holly, who heads the ground-based missile defense program for the Pentagon (news - web sites)'s Missile Defense Agency.
Five additional interceptors will be installed at the 700-acre complex — another four at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California — by the end of the year. Ten more will be installed at Fort Greely by late 2005, launching the Bush administration's multibillion dollar system.
Missile defense is an essential part of President Bush (news - web sites)'s national security policy. It hasn't been as politically divisive as President Reagan's more elaborate "Star Wars" program, but Democrats complain the administration is spending billions of dollars to deploy interceptors without conducting adequate tests to see if they will even work.
According to Missile Defense Agency officials, the interceptors will be linked to a vast network of satellites, radars, computers and command centers. In an attack, satellites would alert the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado, triggering a response by interceptors topped with optical sensors while a complex radar system would track incoming enemy missiles.
As illustrated by a video simulation produced by the agency, the interceptor would zero in on the warhead more than 100 miles over the Pacific Ocean, destroying it at speeds faster than 15,000 mph.
Critics disagree.
The interceptors have not proven their reliability, hitting targets only five times in eight tests, said Philip Coyle, former assistant secretary of operational test and evaluation at the Pentagon. He said they failed even when using advanced information "an enemy would never give us," including when they were launched.
"It's not something you want to depend on in real battle," said Coyle, now a senior adviser at the Center for Defense Information, a Washington think tank. "It's also misleading to say we don't have any defense now. If troops in North Korea (news - web sites) saw that country building a missile, they would blow it up on the ground. They would never wait to see if it was launched."
Congress has appropriated more than $10 billion for the missile defense system for the next fiscal year, and Missile Defense Agency estimates for 2004-2009 run as high as $53 billion.
A group of independent economists estimates the entire system could cost as much as $1.2 trillion, based on government estimates of individual components — many of which have yet to be developed or tested, Coyle said.
"It's like building a house without a floor plan," he said.
Defense agency officials said the interceptor has proven increasingly reliable, passing four of the last five tests. More testing is expected this summer with target launches from Alaska's rocket range in Kodiak.
"The interceptor being installed today has undergone rigorous tests and checkout activities," Holly said.
Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites), said the system is better than none. "The fact is, we're vulnerable," he said. "It's not intended to be all the answer. Nobody's selling it like that."
U.S. Army Major Gen. John Holly, program director for the Ground-based Midcourse Defense system, talks about the system at Ft. Greely near Delta Junction, Alaska Thursday, July 21, 2004, as workers in the background prepare to lower the first Ground Based Interceptor, GBI, into it's silo. The GBI is part of the multi-billion dollar Ground-based Midcourse Defense anti-missile system which will have five GBIs ready for operational use by the end of September. (AP Photo/Mark Farmer )
By RACHEL D'ORO, Associated Press Writer
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A ground-based missile interceptor was installed Thursday in Alaska's Interior — the first component of a national defense system designed to shoot down enemy missiles.
Crews at Fort Greely lowered the 55-foot-long, three-stage interceptor into one of six silos built behind a double perimeter fence reinforced by heavy barbed wire.
"We're coming to the end of an era where we have not been able to defend our country against long-range ballistic missile attacks," said Major Gen. John Holly, who heads the ground-based missile defense program for the Pentagon (news - web sites)'s Missile Defense Agency.
Five additional interceptors will be installed at the 700-acre complex — another four at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California — by the end of the year. Ten more will be installed at Fort Greely by late 2005, launching the Bush administration's multibillion dollar system.
Missile defense is an essential part of President Bush (news - web sites)'s national security policy. It hasn't been as politically divisive as President Reagan's more elaborate "Star Wars" program, but Democrats complain the administration is spending billions of dollars to deploy interceptors without conducting adequate tests to see if they will even work.
According to Missile Defense Agency officials, the interceptors will be linked to a vast network of satellites, radars, computers and command centers. In an attack, satellites would alert the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado, triggering a response by interceptors topped with optical sensors while a complex radar system would track incoming enemy missiles.
As illustrated by a video simulation produced by the agency, the interceptor would zero in on the warhead more than 100 miles over the Pacific Ocean, destroying it at speeds faster than 15,000 mph.
Critics disagree.
The interceptors have not proven their reliability, hitting targets only five times in eight tests, said Philip Coyle, former assistant secretary of operational test and evaluation at the Pentagon. He said they failed even when using advanced information "an enemy would never give us," including when they were launched.
"It's not something you want to depend on in real battle," said Coyle, now a senior adviser at the Center for Defense Information, a Washington think tank. "It's also misleading to say we don't have any defense now. If troops in North Korea (news - web sites) saw that country building a missile, they would blow it up on the ground. They would never wait to see if it was launched."
Congress has appropriated more than $10 billion for the missile defense system for the next fiscal year, and Missile Defense Agency estimates for 2004-2009 run as high as $53 billion.
A group of independent economists estimates the entire system could cost as much as $1.2 trillion, based on government estimates of individual components — many of which have yet to be developed or tested, Coyle said.
"It's like building a house without a floor plan," he said.
Defense agency officials said the interceptor has proven increasingly reliable, passing four of the last five tests. More testing is expected this summer with target launches from Alaska's rocket range in Kodiak.
"The interceptor being installed today has undergone rigorous tests and checkout activities," Holly said.
Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites), said the system is better than none. "The fact is, we're vulnerable," he said. "It's not intended to be all the answer. Nobody's selling it like that."
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"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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No "U S AIR FORCE".phongn wrote:So that's what the production missile looks like. I've only seen the test missiles so far.
I'm disappointed.
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Hmm... A fancier, hitech version of one of these:
Maginot Line fortress at Metz
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No "Intel Inside" logo either.Howedar wrote:No "U S AIR FORCE".phongn wrote:So that's what the production missile looks like. I've only seen the test missiles so far.
I'm disappointed.
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Holy shit... that is a 2 hour drive from my old house in fairbansk Alaska. I have friends that live in that town... SWEEEEET!!!
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How long until the guys manning the controls get bored and start intercepting enemy comercial 747s?
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That would be a much more valid comparison if the Maginot Line in fact extended all the way around France and could defeat artillery before it was even fired. I'm not a huge NMD lover, but to compare it to fortifications of the past is fallicious.Patrick Degan wrote:Hmm... A fancier, hitech version of one of these:
http://www.pinetreeline.org/metz/photos/metz375.jpg
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Different mechanics, same principle.Howedar wrote:That would be a much more valid comparison if the Maginot Line in fact extended all the way around France and could defeat artillery before it was even fired. I'm not a huge NMD lover, but to compare it to fortifications of the past is fallicious.Patrick Degan wrote:Hmm... A fancier, hitech version of one of these:
http://www.pinetreeline.org/metz/photos/metz375.jpg
Maginot Line fortress at Metz
If you entrench yourself behind strong fortifications, you compel the enemy to seek a solution elsewhere.
—Carl von Clausewitz
Fixed fortifications are a testament to the folly of mankind. The oceans and the mountains have been overcome, it follows that anything built by man can be overcome.
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It doesn't have to, necessarily. Neither we nor the British nor the French nor the Chinese were sure if Moscow's ABM system would work. That didn't stop all of us from targeting extra warheads that could have gone elsewhere on Moscow to make sure some got through their defenses. Virtual attrition, baby.The Kernel wrote:I think the real question is: does that damn thing work?
EDIT: It was, however, a lot more likely the Russian system would work, seeing as their interceptors had nuclear warheads of their own.
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The kill vehicle has worked in most of the tests so far and has been able to filter out decoys. IIRC, there were three test failures, two caused by the interim booster failing at some point and a third caused by someone forgetting to close a pipe (and letting the coolant leak).The Kernel wrote:I think the real question is: does that damn thing work?
AFAIK, there has only been a couple of test flights by the production booster, which boasts higher performance. Several groups (IIRC, FAS is one) has criticized the lack of testing with the production booster since it imparts greater force on the kill vehicle. That doesn't seem to have been a problem, though.
Now, some argue (Degan is in this camp) that the system's test regime is unsatisfactory and that sufficiently advanced decoys will be able to fool the ground-based cueing radars and the terminal engagement sensors onboard the kill vehicle. Others argue that you'd more or less need full RVs as decoy to do it and to do so would impose unacceptable virtual attrition costs on the part of any would-be attacker.
I have heard -- but not confirmed -- that the engagement sequence will be shoot-shoot-look-shoot-shoot, or four kill vehicles per salvo. By the time the sixth missile is emplaced that will give us the ability to shoot down 1.5 RVs on that defense plan.
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It took the entire British nuclear deterrent to give Moscow a terminalRedImperator wrote:It doesn't have to, necessarily. Neither we nor the British nor the French nor the Chinese were sure if Moscow's ABM system would work.
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I know. I read the Seer's essays too.MKSheppard wrote:It took the entire British nuclear deterrent to give Moscow a terminalRedImperator wrote:It doesn't have to, necessarily. Neither we nor the British nor the French nor the Chinese were sure if Moscow's ABM system would work.
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While I don't oppose the shield in principle, I'm not sure about its effectiveness in technial terms. I don't think it is reliable or effective enough to allow politicans to attempt an nuclear exchange sistuation and I don't think anyone would launch an unprovoked attack on the US with ICBMs and risk MAD. Virtual attrition is a bitch, but aside from NK the other nuclear powers either isn't pursuing ICBMs or can afford to make effective counters.
So unless the great leader really is insane, the system would probably never be that useful.
P.S. why can't the US make another treaty with USSR that allows unlimited depolyment of nuclear warheaded intercepters?
So unless the great leader really is insane, the system would probably never be that useful.
P.S. why can't the US make another treaty with USSR that allows unlimited depolyment of nuclear warheaded intercepters?
We would probably have to withdraw from from the "no nukes in space" treaty to do that, but once we did we could. However, nukes in space mean dead satellites, which is bad.SWPIGWANG wrote:P.S. why can't the US make another treaty with USSR that allows unlimited depolyment of nuclear warheaded intercepters?
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So what realistic chance is there of shooting down an ICBM, or of the Russians or Chinese accidentally launching one at us?
It's not as if the North Koreans are actually going to have legitimate ICBM capability in the near future despite the fearmongering, and Pakistan certainly doesn't have it. And even if the Iranians did manage to somehow construct a nuclear weapon, they sure as hell wouldn't have ICBMs either.
It's not as if the North Koreans are actually going to have legitimate ICBM capability in the near future despite the fearmongering, and Pakistan certainly doesn't have it. And even if the Iranians did manage to somehow construct a nuclear weapon, they sure as hell wouldn't have ICBMs either.
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North Korea tested a missile some five years ago that saw the third stage splashing down in the ocean near Alaska.
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Assuming we're talking about a point in time where the NMD comm/detection network is complete, and more interceptors are emplaced at different bases, the chances of shooting down a single missile (assuming it wasn't MIRV'd) would be almost certain, when you consider that even a single missile would have more than one interceptor fired at it, and IIRC the most recent tests showed the interceptor hitting 4 of 5 targets.Darth Wong wrote:So what realistic chance is there of shooting down an ICBM, or of the Russians or Chinese accidentally launching one at us?
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