What Questions Do You Want Answered in RotS?

[Lord Pounder]

I'd like to know why Sith HAVE to use red lightsabers. There are many different crystals you can use to why red only for a sith/dark jedi?

[Crazedwraith]

I'd like to know why Sith HAVE to use red lightsabers. There are many different crystals you can use to why red only for a sith/dark jedi?

There's a kind of explation in Darth Maul Shadow Hunter. If we assume that all synthetic crystal make red blades, then the Sith always use them because they play apart in their creation thus deepening their connection to their sabre and making them a more effective warrior.

[Kurgan]

There's a lot of things I'd like to see in ROTS (most of which I probably won't see). As to questions being answered, there are some I'm holding Lucas to, since he said he'd answer them:

1) Why/why don't Jedi/Sith disappear when they die.

2) How exactly C-3PO/R2D2 didn't recognize/weren't recognized by anyone in the OT.


The following Lucas has already explained himself, but he has yet to "set it in stone" in film form (these are answered on the DVD commentary for AOTC):

1) What is the relationship of the Jango AOTC clones to the OT stormtroopers? (Lucas says that they are all clones, apparently of Jango, that they "inherited" the head bumbing gene from him).

2) How is Palpatine able to hide from all those Jedi Masters sitting right next to him in large portions of the EU and living and working practically in the same neighborhood, if not the same building? (Lucas says it's because the Dark Side is stronger).

Lucas may change his mind with this film, so for now, wait and see I guess...

Question that probably won't ever be answered in the film:

Why is the Imperial Officer who claims "no ship that small has a cloaking device" so ignorant? Tied to this question: what happened to Maul's Sith Infiltrator?

That's one thing I'd love to see, an actual working on-screen cloaking device. It might seem unnecessarily "wanky" to show one, but it would be cool to have a first-level canon display of it's abilities. Ditto for planetary shields (explicit I mean, not something you have to frame-by-frame to see). These could be worked into the plot easily enough.

The rest I guess I don't care a whole lot about. The EU will fill in the gaps as it always does (and with the movies over and done with they can do pretty much whatever they want so long as Lucas thinks it will make money), and we can always speculate on our own.

The "synthetic crystals are always red" thing doesn't hold up if you take the EU seriously, because in the EU the crystals that Luke used to create his ROTJ saber were synthetic and the blade was green.

They probably won't (and shouldn't) explain how the Wars-technology works, and that, in itself is a relief.

[RogueIce]

They explained the C-3PO and R2-D2 thing? How so? Just PM me, please. Don't want to drag the thread too far off topic.

[JME2]

I aksed about the Sith Infiltrator some time back. According to the NEGTVV, after the mop-up on Naboo was complete, the Jedi located Maul's ship -- no easy affair given the ship's sensor jamming and sensor capabilities, not to mention the booby-traps and wiped-computer banks that awaited them. While en route to Seniar Fleet Systems, which gained the Jedi's permission to access and reverse-engineer the craft, the Sith Infiltrator vanished. Perhaps the Jedi destroyed it, perhaps even Seniar himself faked its vanishing so as to be able to incorporate the SI's tech into the TIE projects; who knows?

GL probably does, he's just not telling.

[Tychu]

Why was Luke or Leia or both not left with Yoda or Obi Wan to train fully on becoming a Jedi to defeat Vader and Palpatine?

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Perhaps Ben/Yoda felt that they might not be able to protect them from the growing Empire?

So by seperating them and keeping them as non-Jedi; they won't try to fight Vader and run the risk of being corrupted.

Of course this theory is completely shot by the events of the OT.

The reason for them to be hidden can be made to make sense. Obi Wan and Yoda needed to flee to collect themselves. For a growing dictatorship you cant attack when it first forms. There is to much confusion and fear. This leads to easy killings and failed coups. By waiting for Luke and Leia to be 19ish the Empire had become complacent, they believed that they had wiped out the Jedi. If Vader had any thought of why his wife was getting "fat" he hasnt seen or heard of any of his children in 20years so he would believe them dead if he knew of them. Its clear that the Empire became complacient and self dillusional by beliving that the Rebels were very weak at Yavin and couldnt take out the Death Star. This is the same Empire who 20 years before took down a government that has been around for 4,000 years and wiped out many species and Jedi. Waiting for the Empire to become complacent as the main reason for the Yoda and Obi wait.

[Admiral Drason]

Hideing Leia on Alderaan was like bringing the ring to Mordor in the LOTR. Vader and Palpy wouldnt have thought to look for Anakins offspring in a royal family.

Spliting them up makes sense if one is found on the off chance, than the other is still safe.

[Stofsk]

Hideing Leia on Alderaan was like bringing the ring to Mordor in the LOTR. Vader and Palpy wouldnt have thought to look for Anakins offspring in a royal family.

That's stupid. When I lose something I search my immediate surroundings. When Sauron lost the ring, do you think Mordor would be the LAST place he would scour to look for it? You always look in the places that are familiar because that's where it's likely to have been misplaced in.

And I've already mentioned, the Emperor and Vader didn't know Anakin Skywalker had offspring until ESB (the Emperor definitely didn't find out until ESB, it's confirmed by dialogue). According to the ROTJ novelisation Anakin didn't know Padme was pregnant.

Splitting them up makes no sense, unless they were split up by accident. But that still doesn't explain why they didn't bring them together at a later date. Luke doesn't find out until he uses his Force insight to confirm.

Spliting them up makes sense if one is found on the off chance, than the other is still safe.

No it doesn't. Luke is being 'guarded' by Obi-wan in the arseend of the galaxy, where Vader would never want to return to. For some idiotic reason Leia isn't on the same planet, under the SAME guardianship. To compound the stupidity, Leia was given instructions by her adopted father to go to Tattooine to seek out Obi-wan Kenobi should things go pear-shaped. Ironically, this leads Vader directly to Tattooine.

I don't see why they were split up. Everytime I try to rationalise it I come up with "they're fucking stupid" to "something must have happened to separate them accidentally." At the same time, the question has to be asked and answered: why didn't Obi-wan raise Luke himself? Why did he entrust his upbringing to Owen Lars?

[Galvatron]

Maybe Padme couldn't bear to part with both of her children. It was probably hard enough for her to sacrifice Luke, hence her sadness.

[Stofsk]

Maybe Padme couldn't bear to part with both of her children. It was probably hard enough for her to sacrifice Luke to a hard destiny, hence her sadness.

It doens't jive with the whole "There is another..." Yoda quote, which suggests that the twins were separated for redundancy. In the original 9-part outline you introduced me to this is all adequately explained. Making Leia Luke's sister seemed tacked on and poorly rationalised.

Who cares if Padme feels sad about parting with her children? They're both force sensitive, and they both need training. And even so, Obi-wan doesn't raise Luke as his own adopted son, making me wonder why he even bothered to 'keep an eye on him' as it were. Yoda is on Dagobah doing jack shit. Leia get's raised as a Princess.

[Galvatron]

It doens't jive with the whole "There is another..." Yoda quote, which suggests that the twins were separated for redundancy. In the original 9-part outline you introduced me to this is all adequately explained. Making Leia Luke's sister seemed tacked on and poorly rationalised.

Agreed.

Who cares if Padme feels sad about parting with her children? They're both force sensitive, and they both need training. And even so, Obi-wan doesn't raise Luke as his own adopted son, making me wonder why he even bothered to 'keep an eye on him' as it were. Yoda is on Dagobah doing jack shit. Leia get's raised as a Princess.

It's all rather Arthurian, actually. Obi-Wan pulls a Merlin and takes baby Luke (Arthur), but tasks Owen (Ector) to raise him.

[Stofsk]

It's all rather Arthurian, actually. Obi-Wan pulls a Merlin and takes baby Luke (Arthur), but tasks Owen (Ector) to raise him.

I understand the symbology, but it's still got problems. Owen is downright hostile towards Obi-wan, which limits any influence he could have had in Luke's upbringing. We know the two met before (Luke knows of Ben Kenobi and recognises him on sight, implying they've met before), but it doesn't seem he was instructing him at the time. Indeed, Luke only found out about the Force in ANH.

*sigh*

This doesn't make sense. Obi-wan knows that age plays an important part in Jedi training. Pulling a Merlin on both Luke and Leia is enormously reckless as was Anakin's instruction in the first place. With that precedent already established you'd think he would be more careful and more willing to do things right, and train them both in the one place Vader would be reluctant to visit.

[Rogue 9]

That's stupid. When I lose something I search my immediate surroundings. When Sauron lost the ring, do you think Mordor would be the LAST place he would scour to look for it? You always look in the places that are familiar because that's where it's likely to have been misplaced in.

But the Ring wasn't lost. Isildur took it. Sauron knew that the Ring was carried by Isildur to the Gladden Fields and was lost in Anduin during the ambush on his party. There is no logical way for it to get to Mordor. Ergo, he would not look in Mordor. Anakin did not know that Padme was pregnant, and therefore would not be looking for his children anyway, so it hardly matters where Leia is hidden. Both reasons make sense.

[Stofsk]

*snip LOTR bullshit*

Whatever. It doesn't change my point that when you lose something the best and first place to look for it is familiar surroundings. There's a reason Yoda hid on Dagobah, a planet that's remote and unstrategic. Ben hid on Tattooine which he would know would be the last place in the universe Anakin would wish to return to willingly. Based on this there's no reason to separate the twins at birth; or if they did, why didn't Yoda take Leia? Better question: why weren't EITHER one of them TRAINED as early as possible?

Anakin did not know that Padme was pregnant, and therefore would not be looking for his children anyway, so it hardly matters where Leia is hidden. Both reasons make sense.

Actually it DOES matter where Leia is hidden, as she's a fucking Force Sensitive and the PT established the younger you are trained the better off you are. Thus separating both at birth and refusing to train either one until they're adults is ludicrously reckless, ESPECIALLY when a precendent has already been set by Anakin's fall.

[Lord Revan]

doesn't jedi training need a connection with the Force. While full (Dark)jedi can weaken their conection with the Force to a point nonexistance Luke and/or Leia would shown themselves to emperor/Vader thru the Force.

[Stofsk]

doesn't jedi training need a connection with the Force. While full (Dark)jedi can weaken their conection with the Force to a point nonexistance Luke and/or Leia would shown themselves to emperor/Vader thru the Force.

Why would it?

Did the Empire find Yoda on Dagobah? Was Vader - in orbit over Tattooine - at all alerted to Obi-wan's presence on the planet's surface?

[Lord Revan]

doesn't jedi training need a connection with the Force. While full (Dark)jedi can weaken their conection with the Force to a point nonexistance Luke and/or Leia would shown themselves to emperor/Vader thru the Force.

Why would it?

Did the Empire find Yoda on Dagobah? Was Vader - in orbit over Tattooine - at all alerted to Obi-wan's presence on the planet's surface?

Obi-wan and Yoda probaly weakened their connection with the Force to make it easier for them to hide. Luke/Leia wouldn't have that option.

[Stofsk]

Obi-wan and Yoda probaly weakened their connection with the Force to make it easier for them to hide. Luke/Leia wouldn't have that option.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They didn't USE the Force, which is different to 'weakening their connection' with it. If anything, I'd say both strengthened their connection based off of Obi-wan's sacrifice at the end of his duel with Vader (who was visibly panting, while Obi-wan was holding his own quite sufficiently).

[EDIT] What I mean is, Obi-wan states "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." The implication there is that not only is Obi-wan a much more skilled Jedi than Vader/Anakin ever was, but had a stronger connection to the Force.

[Lord Revan]

Obi-wan and Yoda probaly weakened their connection with the Force to make it easier for them to hide. Luke/Leia wouldn't have that option.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They didn't USE the Force, which is different to 'weakening their connection' with it. If anything, I'd say both strengthened their connection based off of Obi-wan's sacrifice at the end of his duel with Vader (who was visibly panting, while Obi-wan was holding his own quite sufficiently).

[EDIT] What I mean is, Obi-wan states "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." The implication there is that not only is Obi-wan a much more skilled Jedi than Vader/Anakin ever was, but had a stronger connection to the Force.

as funny as might sound you need a stong connection with Force weaken it in firstplace (Darth Maul used it at least once in Darth Maul:shadow hunter) as it an active skill so there is no conterdiction.

[Tychu]

The "synthetic crystals are always red" thing doesn't hold up if you take the EU seriously, because in the EU the crystals that Luke used to create his ROTJ saber were synthetic and the blade was green.relief.

If i remember correctly in Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter it says that all sith make thier crystals. It also states that these sith do it in extreme heated temperatures, for as long as humanity existed heat was always signified as red. And since star wars is steeped in history and superstitions and religion in our blue planet i tend to belive thats the reason. It was only until we were able to study the stars with accuracy that we found that red was one of the coolest stars and white was hotter

[CelesKnight]

This is a major dilemma for Lucas, IMO. Does he kill off Padme in ROTS, thereby conflicting with ROTJ? Or does he have her die sometime later, off-screen, thereby denying the audience any definite closure to her character's story?

I've heard that Padme will be in some scenes of an updated Episode 4, which would suggest that she lives through Episode 3. (Although, I suppose it could be in flashback form in Ep 4.)

[Gandalf]

I've heard that Padme will be in some scenes of an updated Episode 4, which would suggest that she lives through Episode 3. (Although, I suppose it could be in flashback form in Ep 4.)

Sweet mother of fuckmonkeys.

That seems awfully stupid. How could she possibly fit into Ep4?

[Faqa]

Sweet mother of fuckmonkeys.

That seems awfully stupid. How could she possibly fit into Ep4?

With all the grace of Shot-First Greedo and the new Disney-sponsered Jabba band.....

[Vympel]

I've heard that Padme will be in some scenes of an updated Episode 4, which would suggest that she lives through Episode 3. (Although, I suppose it could be in flashback form in Ep 4.)

This is one of the most pervasive, dumbass myths that have come out of SW fandom in the past few years. It is completely false.

[2000AD]

One reason for the placement of Leia on Alderaan could be that the Organa's (sp) were the only one's who'd take her in. With Vader going round on the jedi purge, and the media presumably supporting it, you'd want someone you could trust not to turn these force sensative children in, hence Luke goes to his (step) relatives and Leia goes to Bail Organa, who IIRC from the EU was a good friend of Obi-Wan and Amidala, as well as supporting Amidala's anti-war stance.

Also you have got jedi on planet for both of them, Obi-wan on Tatooine, and Elegos A'kla's uncle on Alderaan (I, Jedi), in case the shit hits the fan.