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Axis Kast wrote:It's wartime. I expect the government to over-spend. If Kerry wins, he's doubtless to overspend himself. It's not a problem I consider endemic to the Bush administration, but rather endemic to the times.
Wrong-o, Axi. Alot of that spending was pure pork barrel, not mere war time spending. Give me a bit to dig up the link that was posted before, but you can't merely peg the fact that the rate of national spending has skyrocketed under the Bush Administration on the "War"
As for the steel tarriff, Bush played it smart and let international pressure force him to turn around. Kerry, on the other hand, has promised to play hard ball even past that point.
"let international pressure force him to turn around"? You act like getting forced down after making a dumb ass move is somehow brilliant. How about not make such a rediculous tariff in the first place? :roll:
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Wrong-o, Axi. Alot of that spending was pure pork barrel, not mere war time spending. Give me a bit to dig up the link that was posted before, but you can't merely peg the fact that the rate of national spending has skyrocketed under the Bush Administration on the "War"
You do that. I’m interested to see this link of yours contending that it’s pork barrel spending, not the War on Terror, that’s consuming so much of our national budget and surplus. Or, more precisely, I’m interested in the good laugh this spit in the bucket is sure to induce.
"let international pressure force him to turn around"? You act like getting forced down after making a dumb ass move is somehow brilliant. How about not make such a rediculous tariff in the first place?

Kerry won’t be able to combat anti-Americanism at its roots. Bush may grate more than most, but it is American power, not the American leadership, that produces so much hatred and resentment. The workings of September 11th and the collapse of America’s image in the Arab world began long before the 2000 election, and anger at “imperial America” will continue long after the one in 2004, no matter the outcome. Even if we elected an isolationist in November, we’d still generate plenty of violence and encourage plenty of “blow-back” around the globe. It’s the nature of the elephant, whether or not the policies are ignorant and shortsighted, or carefully controlled.

And as for that last part about protection, I think you know what you can do with that. But I suppose you’ll pull some crap out of thin air about how it’s okay to make the same mistake twice (which is essentially what Kerry has pledged to do, if elected), as long as your name isn’t George W., hm? Let me remind you that Clinton played a similar game to Bush when it came to unappealing treaties: he favored them with public encouragement, then let a willing Congress shoot them down as he stood back from the fray reasonably sure of having done all he could for special interests. The Republicans have done the same. Kerry’s Democrats, on the other hand, are going to try and “fight the good fight” on their own – that is, they plan to beat their heads against the wall in the name of unions whose jobs they won’t save at the cost of tens of billions to the U.S. taxpayer. We don’t need subsidies. What we need to do is let uncompetitive manufacturing die so that we can put the money we save by buying cheaper products into more productive ventures here at home.
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Axis Kast wrote:
You like Bush's economic policies despite his incredible ballooning spending and his own rediculous tariffs, like that steel tariff from hell he made early in his term?
It's wartime. I expect the government to over-spend. If Kerry wins, he's doubtless to overspend himself. It's not a problem I consider endemic to the Bush administration, but rather endemic to the times.

As for the steel tarriff, Bush played it smart and let international pressure force him to turn around. Kerry, on the other hand, has promised to play hard ball even past that point.
Spoken like a true apologist. For every dollar that Bush has spent on military matters, he has spent five dollars at home on discretionary increases. And to defend his trade protectionism by saying he "let international pressure force him to turn around" is one of the finest examples of knee-jerk apologism I've ever heard. You don't even acknowledge the underlying foolishness of rabid trade protectionism.
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Spoken like a true apologist. For every dollar that Bush has spent on military matters, he has spent five dollars at home on discretionary increases.
It isn't just direct military spending, Wong. It's austerity since 9/11. It's Homeland Security outlays. It's regional protection plans and First Reponder support. Local budget expansion for urban security and transit reorganization. Lost money as a result of geopolitical instability (in Venezuela, for example). The list goes on.

And to defend his trade protectionism by saying he "let international pressure force him to turn around" is one of the finest examples of knee-jerk apologism I've ever heard. You don't even acknowledge the underlying foolishness of rabid trade protectionism.[/quote]

Spoken like a true dimwit.

If protectionism is bad, Wong, then it doesn't matter where Bush stands in a choice between the two so long as Kerry's is the more extreme position.

Think about it. Bush may have made noises about protectionism - and even tried to push some upon us - in the recent past, but he's been unsuccessful and left it at that. Kerry, on the other hand, is all but pledging to throw money away in fruitless efforts to fight the international community on the issue, and get himself stuffed not only in court, but, far worse, also on the factory floor.
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Iceberg wrote: Marina's phobia of degeneration and decay was shared by Adolf Hitler.
Since you've obviously started down the road of psychological analysis
of other board denizens, here's one of you:

You're afraid, Iceberg. That's where your rabid attitude comes from.

You're terrified of an America molded in what you consider to be
Bush's image; where homosexuals are second-class citizens, social
programs are slashed to the detriment of millions, and an America
hated and loathed by the rest of the world, blah blah blah.

Your biases have snowballed into a petrifying fear of the future, and you
lash out angrily at anyone who seem to be supporting the future you dread.

Even if they aren't.
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I'm a republican. I'm for lower taxes, pro-business. I am pro-life. I approve of the current handling of the war on terror. I do not believe that the health care system needs to go national. I approve of no child left behind. So, I will be voting Bush.
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Cairber wrote:I approve of no child left behind.
You realize thats no more than an unfunded mandate, right? Its just made schools jobs harder as they have to do as it says, but aren't getting the funds to do it. So we wind up with even more cuts in extracarriculars, special-ed, and alrernative programs. Good concept, lousy execution.
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