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Really, is anyone all that surprised? First we hear that the terror alert was raised on four year old data until the election and now this. What the fuck is next?
CNN wrote:ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- The effort by U.S. officials to justify raising the terror alert level last week may have shut down an important source of information that has already led to a series of al Qaeda arrests, Pakistani intelligence sources have said.

Until U.S. officials leaked the arrest of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan to reporters, Pakistan had been using him in a sting operation to track down al Qaeda operatives around the world, the sources said.

In background briefings with journalists last week, unnamed U.S. government officials said it was the capture of Khan that provided the information that led Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to announce a higher terror alert level.

Khan is a computer expert who officials said helped Osama bin Laden communicate with his terror network.

Investigators found detailed surveillance information on certain targets in the United States, apparently conducted by al Qaeda operatives, on Khan's computer disks.

The unnamed U.S. officials leaked Khan's name along with confirmation that most of the surveillance data was three or four years old, arguing that its age was irrelevant because al Qaeda planned attacks so far in advance.

Law enforcement sources said some of the intelligence gleaned from the arrests of Khan and others gave phone numbers and e-mail addresses that the FBI and other agencies were using to try to track down any al Qaeda operatives in the United States.

Then on Friday, after Khan's name was revealed, government sources told CNN that counterterrorism officials had seen a drop in intercepted communications among suspected terrorists.

Officials used Sunday's talk shows to defend last week's heightened alerts, amid widespread claims the White House disclosed Khan's arrest to justify raising its terror alert level. (Full story)

But some observers have said that Islamabad should not have been compromised by political considerations in Washington.

One senator told CNN that U.S. officials should have kept Khan's role quiet.

"You always want to know the evidence," said Sen. George Allen.

"In this situation, in my view, they should have kept their mouth shut and just said, 'We have information, trust us.' "

Sen. Charles Schumer said he was "troubled" by the decision to identify Khan.

He said the public learned little from reports of Khan's role, "and it seems to me they shouldn't have put this name out."

"The Pakistani interior minister, Faisal Hayat, as well as the British home secretary, David Blunkett, have expressed displeasure in fairly severe terms that Khan's name was released, because they were trying to track down other contacts of his," Schumer told CNN.
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But Pakistani Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad downplayed the effect of the U.S. "outing" of Khan, saying Islamabad is looking forward and not back.

"We are moving towards the positive side," he said. "We've got positive information and we believe there will be positive results."

Pakistan continued its crackdown over the weekend, going after multiple al Qaeda cells around the world.

They are on the manhunt for two North African al Qaeda operatives -- Abu Farj of Libya and an Egyptian named Hamza -- who are connected to Ahman Khalfan Ghailani, who was arrested in late July.

Meanwhile, an al Qaeda operative believed to have been close to bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar was flown home to Pakistan after he was arrested in Dubai, intelligence sources said. (Senior figure arrested)

Pakistani intelligence officials said information provided by Khan not only contributed to the rise in the U.S. terror alert level but also led to 13 arrests on terrorism charges in Britain.

Four of the 13 have since been released, but British police have been given until Tuesday to question the remaining nine. (Full story)

British officials declined to comment.
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Yeah, I saw that. I've (finally) been convinced to vote democrat this year, as much as I don't want to.
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hahahahahaha!!!!!
Another security breach by the incompetent Bush adminstration. I wonder how many more breaches is neccesary, before their allies decide that Al Queda is actually less of a threat than a loose mouth Bushite.
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If this doesn't prove that the terror alerts were politically motivated and Bush hasn't the slightest clue how to run a war, then I don't know what will.
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This is the second time those assholes blew the cover of one of our agents.

I wonder what Bush Sr has to say. He accused Philip Agee of being a traitor for spilling the beans about criminal activity by the CIA. These people were outed by Dubya's henchmen for political gain.
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PainRack wrote:hahahahahaha!!!!!
Another security breach by the incompetent Bush adminstration. I wonder how many more breaches is neccesary, before their allies decide that Al Queda is actually less of a threat than a loose mouth Bushite.
Whatever Bush does, Kerry will always be the greater threat because he might (gasp!) roll back tax cuts on the wealthy!
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The Bush Admin didn't think Pakistan is clever enough to conduct "sting" operations; it was an honest mistake, born from arrogance. Another country the Admin underestimated.
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Durandal wrote:
PainRack wrote:hahahahahaha!!!!!
Another security breach by the incompetent Bush adminstration. I wonder how many more breaches is neccesary, before their allies decide that Al Queda is actually less of a threat than a loose mouth Bushite.
Whatever Bush does, Kerry will always be the greater threat because he might (gasp!) roll back tax cuts on the wealthy!
Don't forget those gays...they want to get married and such and that's as much a threat to the well being of our nation as terrorists. After all a gay man with a chipped tooth is just as dangerous as an arab man with a bomb.
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Stravo wrote:
Durandal wrote:
PainRack wrote:hahahahahaha!!!!!
Another security breach by the incompetent Bush adminstration. I wonder how many more breaches is neccesary, before their allies decide that Al Queda is actually less of a threat than a loose mouth Bushite.
Whatever Bush does, Kerry will always be the greater threat because he might (gasp!) roll back tax cuts on the wealthy!
Don't forget those gays...they want to get married and such and that's as much a threat to the well being of our nation as terrorists. After all a gay man with a chipped tooth is just as dangerous as an arab man with a bomb.
Haven't you read the latest medical science reports? Faggotness is transmitted via bite.
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Durandal wrote:
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Durandal wrote: Whatever Bush does, Kerry will always be the greater threat because he might (gasp!) roll back tax cuts on the wealthy!
Don't forget those gays...they want to get married and such and that's as much a threat to the well being of our nation as terrorists. After all a gay man with a chipped tooth is just as dangerous as an arab man with a bomb.
Haven't you read the latest medical science reports? Faggotness is transmitted via bite.
And the other ancilliary conditions that go with gayness such as men with dick breath which we've recently identified as fagatosis. So as you can see we have our hands quite full keeping us safe, clean and moral.
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Why am I not suprised? Tom Ridge is a boob, was a boob when he was PA governor, and is a boob now.
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- excerpt George Bush's proposed re-election speech for 2004.
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I'll quote myself from the thread on terror alert significance (or lack thereof).
I wrote:You know, as long as Bush is in charge, I think the terror scale should be modified. Red shouldn't be the highest alert color. That spot should be reserved for pink, which will indicate an impending threat from homosexuals. At the Pink alert level, the government will issue emergency rations of heterosexual pornography to our young boys and girls in order to keep them from being corrupted by the waves of faggotry heading their way.

I know that porn is evil, but desperate times call for desperate measures people.
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Durandal wrote:I'll quote myself from the thread on terror alert significance (or lack thereof).
You're not funny. Terror alerts raise public awareness, and may help prevent the next terrorist attack.
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Durandal wrote:I'll quote myself from the thread on terror alert significance (or lack thereof).
You're not funny. Terror alerts raise public awareness, and may help prevent the next terrorist attack.
You're right. Terror alerts prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are safer now than we ever were.
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But not safe enough to vote Democrat.
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Stravo wrote:You're right. Terror alerts prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are safer now than we ever were.
Terror alerts prove nothing. You know what an alert is. Don't be so sarcastic; I'm just as pissed with Bush as you are, but that doesn't mean I would not pay attention to alerts coming from a government body with both Republican and Democratic personnel.
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Stravo wrote:You're right. Terror alerts prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are safer now than we ever were.
Terror alerts prove nothing. You know what an alert is. Don't be so sarcastic; I'm just as pissed with Bush as you are, but that doesn't mean I would not pay attention to alerts coming from a government body with both Republican and Democratic personnel.
Leave it to you BS to clueslessly miss my joke. Durandal and I have been playing off each other nicely and then you show up as usual and fuck things up.
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Stravo wrote:
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Stravo wrote:You're right. Terror alerts prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are safer now than we ever were.
Terror alerts prove nothing. You know what an alert is. Don't be so sarcastic; I'm just as pissed with Bush as you are, but that doesn't mean I would not pay attention to alerts coming from a government body with both Republican and Democratic personnel.
Leave it to you BS to clueslessly miss my joke. Durandal and I have been playing off each other nicely and then you show up as usual and fuck things up.
I didn't miss your "joke" moron, that's why I put the word "sarcastic".

You made a political u-turn; well good for you. But do yourself a favour, and don't crack jokes or mock something which may save thousands of lives.
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Give me a break. It doesn't save shit. Telling people that the terrorists might shoot poison at them with fountain pens and that they should stock up on duct tape and gas masks isn't protecting them; it's fear-mongering. We might as well change Homeland Security's name to "Department of Wolf Crying." All the alerts they've issued have turned out to be based on bogus information or have come in the form of vague, useless bullshit like "The terrorists want to disrupt the democratic process," conveniently timed and worded to steal the spotlight from the Democrats.

We got a vague, stupid terror alert right after Kerry announced his VP candidate, and we got one based on old information right after the DNC concluded. The only difference between the two wolf cries was that security was beefed up in New York City somewhat, which basically was Ridge's way of convincing people that the threat was actually real, this time. But such demonstrations are trivial exercises for the government, so I don't put too much stock in them.

In both of the most recent instances, Tom Ridge publicly sucked Bush's dick by saying, "It's because of the president's leadership that we have this information." So you expect me to take this asshole seriously, especially when he claims that politics doesn't have anything to do with Homeland Security's announcements? Puh-fucking-leeze.
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Durandal wrote:Give me a break. It doesn't save shit.
You don't know that. The raise in awarness triggered by an alert could be the difference between someone ignoring an abandoned suitcase in a train station, and noticing it.
Telling people that the terrorists might shoot poison at them with fountain pens and that they should stock up on duct tape and gas masks isn't protecting them; it's fear-mongering.
You're partly right; the alerts do generate fear. But that's a good thing, if intelligence says an attack could happen. Because when people are afriad, they are more awake, and pay closer attention to their surrondings.
We might as well change Homeland Security's name to "Department of Wolf Crying." All the alerts they've issued have turned out to be based on bogus information or have come in the form of vague, useless bullshit like "The terrorists want to disrupt the democratic process," conveniently timed and worded to steal the spotlight from the Democrats.
Do you know the story behind the latest alert? As soon as the guy was captured, "terrorist chatter" [or whatever the term they use] went down. In fact it fucked up a Pakistani sting operation. Like I said before, the department wouldn't release alerts for political reasone like you're suggesting because the Democrats sitting in the department wouldn't just sit back and let that kind of bullshit fly.
We got a vague, stupid terror alert right after Kerry announced his VP candidate, and we got one based on old information right after the DNC concluded. The only difference between the two wolf cries was that security was beefed up in New York City somewhat, which basically was Ridge's way of convincing people that the threat was actually real, this time. But such demonstrations are trivial exercises for the government, so I don't put too much stock in them.

In both of the most recent instances, Tom Ridge publicly sucked Bush's dick by saying, "It's because of the president's leadership that we have this information." So you expect me to take this asshole seriously, especially when he claims that politics doesn't have anything to do with Homeland Security's announcements? Puh-fucking-leeze.
Once again you're forgetting that there are Democrats in Homeland Security. Do you really think they'd let politcally motivated announcments fly by without saying anything?

The alerts are based on real intelligence. Maybe that intelligence is wrong, but that isn't the issue.
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Look what you've done, you big meanies, you've hurt BS's feelings. :cry:
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BoredShirtless wrote:Once again you're forgetting that there are Democrats in Homeland Security. Do you really think they'd let politcally motivated announcments fly by without saying anything?

The alerts are based on real intelligence. Maybe that intelligence is wrong, but that isn't the issue.
Alright then, who are these democrats and how much influence do they have?
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It's like a universal constant, whtever position I take BS must be on the opposite end. So I guess you've gone and bought the whole party line hook line and sinker that these alerts are a good thing, that we're actually safer because of the alerts.

Alerts that are generated with 4 year old intelligence, surveillance photos that were updated in January and happen to come out right after the DNC and last until Election day, a constant reminder of the threat your under and so please vote Bush?

The only way he can justify this alert is to blow some poor bastard's cover in Pakistan thus ruining a sting operation that could indeed have made us safer by eliminating more Al-Qaeda terrorists. They made the decision that political expediency in explaining this terror alert was more important that capturing terrorists and you say that the alert system works?

No, the Keystone Kops that are our Homeland Security team inspire little to no confidence in me and so are mock worthy as is their color coded terror alert system.
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BoredShirtless wrote:Once again you're forgetting that there are Democrats in Homeland Security. Do you really think they'd let politcally motivated announcments fly by without saying anything?

The alerts are based on real intelligence. Maybe that intelligence is wrong, but that isn't the issue.
Alright then, who are these democrats and how much influence do they have?
http://www.house.gov/hsc/democrats/index.htm

I have no idea how much influence they have. But they wouldn't keep their mouths shut if the Republicans in their department started releasing alerts without intelligence to substantiate them.
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