Atlantis was probably Ireland.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2004-08-07 02:42am

I thought the so-called experts had found what they think is Atlantis somewhere in the Mediterranean sea? The location they have fits all the details given by Greeks and Egyptians and has ruins and pottery from an ancient Greek society.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-08-07 02:56am

Perinquus wrote:snip

2. There's never been found even the tiniest shred of archaeological evidence that Ireland was ever home to a civilization more advanced than any other in Europe, at any period in its history.

Lol..silly boy it all depends on trhe amount of whisky one has imbibed

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2004-08-07 03:04am

Yes! Now if you excuse me, I have a crystal skull or two to make for my forefathers.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-08-07 04:28am

Atlantis was probably imaginary.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-08-07 05:00am

Sea Skimmer wrote:Atlantis was probably imaginary.

Oh, it may well have been real, but not in the mythical 'Arthurian' way its been presented as in history. Remember that Troy was once myth and was rediscoverd based on Homer's account in the Iliad.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2004-08-07 06:48am

GoldenFalcon wrote:
GoldenFalcon wrote:Don't some Celtic myths put many supposedly "advanced" races on Ireland way before we humans ever landed there? Hmm...
Forgot to add, I don't actually believe in those legends, but maybe there is some relationship.

Yes, they were called the Tuatha de Danann (pronounced TOO-ah-ha day DONN-ann), meaning People of Danu - Danu being a goddess. According to Irish mythology, they inhabited the island before it was invaded and conquered by the Milesian Celts from Iberia (modern Spain). After the Milesians defeated the Tuatha de Danann, the Milesians took control of the land, and the de Danann retreated underground, using their magic to create fair realms that were as light and airy as outdoors, and such were their powers that the Milesians came to worship them as gods. (How the Milesians ever managed to defeat beings of such awesome power I have never been able to fathom, but there you are.)

But this is just legend. If there was an Atlantis, and it did somehow comprise a landmass adjacent to Ireland, and it was home to an advanced (for that time) civilization, it is really inconceivable that such a civilzation no artifacts of any kind, ever, on land so near to their home as Ireland would have been.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-08-07 09:05am

There are lots of sinkage-into-the-sea spots around the world, and, in my opinion, it was likely just coincidence that he partially described Ireland.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-08-07 09:40am

So, let me get this straight; people in Ireland remembered Dogger Bank sinking, so that = Atlantis?

Bullshit, and less likely than Thera, which in itself seriously lacks most of the ingredients to pin Atlantis on it.

Give me Athenians at Dogger Bank circa 9000 BC; fuck, give me Athenians at 9000 BC PERIOD and you'll have an Atlantis believer; but until there's better evidence than yet another island catastrophe to hammer into Atlantis' shape, you can call me a soulless unbeliever.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-08-07 10:57am

Superman wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... tlantis_dc

Makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah it does, the irish got so drunk they forgot all their advanced tech and history over night.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2004-08-07 01:03pm

Whoo I live in Atlantis!

Seriously though it might help explain who build Newgrange. Not that I believe that bio-mechannical-quisogs-from-mars built it.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2004-08-07 02:07pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Plato made up Atlantis, in the Critas and Timaeus dialogues. There is not a shred of evidence it existed at all, other than it's appearance in those dialogues.

This is true theres a line where Plato says outright that the story of atlantis is a parabal, that line is of coarse ignored by many (I've even seen translations where the line is removed entirly) On the other hand he could have heard of Ireland from someone who'd been there and used it as a model for the geography.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-08-07 04:32pm

I have, actually. Altantis is on the bottom of the Mediterrean and requires a German U-Boat to reach or Nazis will gain the power of Orichalcum and take over the world for the Third Reich!

Don't forget Nur-ab-Sal...

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-08-07 04:46pm

Islands sink. Rivers flood. Cities go bye-bye in a great variety of ways. That doesn't mean that a tiny amount of at best circumstantial evidence proves ancient overblown legends and myths.

But yeah, when I saw the title the first thing I thought of was Family Guy.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-08-07 08:23pm

DocHorror wrote:Whoo I live in Atlantis!

Seriously though it might help explain who build Newgrange. Not that I believe that bio-mechannical-quisogs-from-mars built it.

Amazing place isn't it?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-08-08 03:19am

Yay I have been to Atlantis and lived there for a year.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-08-08 01:46pm

Everyone knows that Atlantis was discovered twice by Richard Dean Anderson

But seriously, why am I suddenly thinking that the Atlantis myth, the Great Flood myth and the end of the last Ice Age are somehow linked?

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-08-08 01:58pm

Dalton wrote:Everyone knows that Atlantis was discovered twice by Richard Dean Anderson

But seriously, why am I suddenly thinking that the Atlantis myth, the Great Flood myth and the end of the last Ice Age are somehow linked?

Who's this Anderson fellow?

There's a lot of talk now that the Great Flood myth was from a many-times retold legend dating back to the end of the last Ice Age when the Black Sea flooded to its current level. It had previously been a much smaller freshwater lake until the rising sea levels made the tiny dam where the Bosporus is now burst, forcing the people who lived in the area to flee. Naturally a lot of them went south to what became known as Mesopotamia, and the story changed over the thousands of years that it was retold, and they told the story to some ancient shepherd tribe which became known as the Hebrews, and you know the rest of the story.

Where Atlantis would fit in there I don't really know.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-08-08 02:01pm

Mayabird wrote:
Dalton wrote:Everyone knows that Atlantis was discovered twice by Richard Dean Anderson

But seriously, why am I suddenly thinking that the Atlantis myth, the Great Flood myth and the end of the last Ice Age are somehow linked?
Who's this Anderson fellow?

Either to show my age or just geekiness

MacGuyver or Col. O'Neil

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-08-08 02:08pm

Ghost Rider wrote: Either to show my age or just geekiness

MacGuyver or Col. O'Neil

WTF HE PLAYED MACGUYVER?!

LOL, imagine having Patty and Selma watching SG-1...

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-08-08 04:05pm

Hmmm. I'm an atlantian. Do i get magic powers or high technology now?

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HOw did he calculate that plato would have had geographical data of ireland?

GoldenFalcon · Post by **GoldenFalcon** » 2004-08-08 05:13pm

Peregrin Toker wrote:Is that you, Erich von Däniken?

The ancient races of Erin weren't defeated at all. They're just waiting for that right time...

No I'm not that nutty.

Perinquus wrote:<snip>

Yeah, but don't forget the races before them (Fomor, Nemed, Parthelon, etc.)

But as you said, the lack of remaining artifacts does put something against Atlantis, or even the TDD from being on Ireland.

DPDarkPrimus wrote:WTF HE PLAYED MACGUYVER?!

You just realized this?

They look so similar too...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-08-08 06:12pm

Dalton wrote:But seriously, why am I suddenly thinking that the Atlantis myth, the Great Flood myth and the end of the last Ice Age are somehow linked?

Because Graham Hancock and the evil forces of pseudo-science have brainwashed you?

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-08-09 09:23pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
Dalton wrote:But seriously, why am I suddenly thinking that the Atlantis myth, the Great Flood myth and the end of the last Ice Age are somehow linked?
Because Graham Hancock and the evil forces of pseudo-science have brainwashed you?

I'm not suggesting that they're real...but most myths have a grain of truth in them, and I have a very warped mind.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-08-11 12:33am

Dalton wrote:I'm not suggesting that they're real...but most myths have a grain of truth in them, and I have a very warped mind.

I know what you're saying, but I have a problem imagining oral traditions surviving that long. At least, not in as dynamic an enviroment as Europe. Australia, South Africa, sure: I've read that Aborigine and San traditions are tens of thousands of years old.
But Europe has been repopulated, conquered, and amalgamated so many times that I doubt there's a trace of any languages dating to the ice age to be found today, much less stories...no matter how distorted. And languages die hard.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-08-11 01:11am

Frank Hipper wrote:I know what you're saying, but I have a problem imagining oral traditions surviving that long. At least, not in as dynamic an enviroment as Europe. Australia, South Africa, sure: I've read that Aborigine and San traditions are tens of thousands of years old.
But Europe has been repopulated, conquered, and amalgamated so many times that I doubt there's a trace of any languages dating to the ice age to be found today, much less stories...no matter how distorted. And languages die hard.

I don't know. I think there might be possibilities there, threads of truth, and the biggest mixed-up tangle of myths and stories in history. To me, a lot of really funky stuff went on during the history of human civilization and I like to try to make sense of it since I'm pretty sure it wasn't the intentional meddling of the Vorlons or Goa'uld

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