The Liberty Dollar Bill Act

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-08-12 12:03pm

I'd either go back to the Eisenhower Dollar (Moon reverse and all), or commission a new design.

My idea: pull something like the state quarters and run a set of obverses with each president (except the presidents who are currently on the coinage, for those who don't pay attention that's Lincoln (penny), Jefferson (nickel), FDR (dime), Washington (quarter) and Kennedy (half-dollar)) and list on the back of each president's Dollar his years of birth and death (if the latter is applicable) and one major accomplishment or U.S. event for each year of his presidency.

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2004-08-12 12:44pm

But without the $1 bill, how do we tip the stripper?

Korvan · Post by **Korvan** » 2004-08-12 12:47pm

Phil Skayhan wrote:But without the $1 bill, how do we tip the stripper?

"Please insert coin"

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-08-12 12:50pm

Phil Skayhan wrote:But without the $1 bill, how do we tip the stripper?

Quite the conudrum.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-08-12 01:19pm

Iceberg wrote:The problem with dollar coins is that they're too hard to make distinct from quarters, and people seldom like them; see also: Sacajawea dollar, Susan B. Anthony dollar.

People seldom use them because coins are less convient than bills. But unfortunately that while coins cost more to mint than bills to print, they last decades and in the end are by far more economic. The one dollar bill is a waste of tax payer's money to keep around and needs to be gotten rid of for that reason. Now if you want to argue that the current dollar coins' color, deisgn, size, etc suck, then I'll agree with you to an extend, but that's not a reason to keep the one dollar bill around.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-08-12 01:24pm

Joe wrote:The difference is, you guys have been on Loony coins for years, right? We've not had dollar coins as regular currency for years, and when they're released they're usually snatched up too quickly by collectors to become common currency. It would take a pretty huge effort to completely replace dollar bills with dollar coins.

It would be no effort at all. Once you stop production of the one dollar bill, they'll disappear almost completely in a matter of months. When everyone is using dollar coins they become worthless to collectors.

Phil Skayhan wrote:But without the $1 bill, how do we tip the stripper?

Don't be cheap, use a $5 bill, you're penis will appreciate it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-12 01:28pm

Back to the original issue, I don't know if it's a good idea to use money as a means of disseminating government policy. For one thing, it would implicitly legitimize the "One Nation Under God" stupidity as government policy, and it will be a long time before the American political climate changes enough to actually remove that line, if ever.

Also, once the precedent is set for using coinage as a soapbox I can see various coins being minted with all kinds of political slogans on them like "Save the Rainforest", "Stop Nuclear Power", "No Gay Marriage", "Vote Republican", "Thank the Lord for John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act", etc.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-12 01:30pm

Darth Wong wrote:Also, once the precedent is set for using coinage as a soapbox I can see various coins being minted with all kinds of political slogans on them like "Save the Rainforest", "Stop Nuclear Power", "No Gay Marriage", "Vote Republican", "Thank the Lord for John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act", etc.

I'm hesitant to say this to you, but isn't that a slippery slope?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-08-12 01:34pm

Darth Wong wrote:Back to the original issue, I don't know if it's a good idea to use money as a means of disseminating government policy. For one thing, it would implicitly legitimize the "One Nation Under God" stupidity as government policy, and it will be a long time before the American political climate changes enough to actually remove that line, if ever.

Um, point of order, the line is "In God We Trust," and it IS official government policy (an act of Congress, signed by President Eisenhower in 1957 established it as the official motto of the United States).

"One nation, under God" is in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-12 01:34pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Also, once the precedent is set for using coinage as a soapbox I can see various coins being minted with all kinds of political slogans on them like "Save the Rainforest", "Stop Nuclear Power", "No Gay Marriage", "Vote Republican", "Thank the Lord for John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act", etc.
I'm hesitant to say this to you, but isn't that a slippery slope?

Not really, because there's not much difference between the events in question: they are both forms of political thought being advertised on coinage. A slippery slope involves genuinely different events being chained together.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-12 01:43pm

Wrong. We have one and two-dollar coins, we like them, and it's ridiculously easy to distinguish them from other coins because the one-dollar coins are gold-coloured while the two-dollar coins are two-tone (not to mention both of them being substantially bigger than quarters). You can easily pick them apart at dusk underwater.

Depending on the model, you can see them, yes.

I don't like dollar coins, because I don't like change all that much in general. I'd rather carry bills. It's faster and easier to transport for me.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-08-12 01:48pm

Darth Wong wrote:Also, once the precedent is set for using coinage as a soapbox I can see various coins being minted with all kinds of political slogans on them like "Save the Rainforest", "Stop Nuclear Power", "No Gay Marriage", "Vote Republican", "Thank the Lord for John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act", etc.

Is that really the same thing as printing the Bill of Rights though?

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-12 04:54pm

Iceberg wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:
Iceberg wrote:The point, which apparently passed over your head, Talon, is that if the Constitution is to be on the back of the 1-dollar bill, then "In God We Trust" should not be. To put "In God We Trust" on the back of a dollar bill on which is supposed to be printed a summary of the Constitution would (incorrectly) imply that those words appear in the text of the Constitution.
Ok Ice, but now al currency is printed with the text In God We Trust. This is something that is placed on all the bills, why take it off?
Don't necessarily remove it entirely - a move of that text from the reverse to the obverse may be in order, however.

And honestly, I'd like to see "WE THE PEOPLE" on our currency.

Ah, ic. I agree though, "We the People" would look nice on the bill. I think it would be nice with both of them on there... one on one side, the other on the other. Hehe... I like that last sentence.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-12 04:58pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Oh, and here is my original post idea, before I saw Karrde's idiocy.

Your kidding me right. I'm an idiot now because I believe "In God We Trust" should stay on our currency? Dear God.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-12 05:00pm

Talon Karrde wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Oh, and here is my original post idea, before I saw Karrde's idiocy.
Your kidding me right. I'm an idiot now because I believe "In God We Trust" should stay on our currency?

Why yes, since it's a violation of the establishment clause when a government uses its official coinage to promote the concept of monotheism.

Dear God.

Very eloquent rebuttal

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-12 05:04pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Oh, and here is my original post idea, before I saw Karrde's idiocy.
Your kidding me right. I'm an idiot now because I believe "In God We Trust" should stay on our currency?
Why yes, since it's a violation of the establishment clause when a government uses its official coinage to promote the concept of monotheism.
Dear God.
Very eloquent rebuttal

Lol... well, good, then I'd venture to guess about 75% of Americans are idiots then, considering I believe about that amount would want it to stay.

This I don't understand Darth... anytime an opinion differs with yours or liberal policies, the opposition is immediately branded as idiots.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-08-12 05:07pm

"IN GOD WE TRUST" -- STAMPING OUT RELIGION ON NATIONAL CURRENCY

Madalyn O'Hair wrote:"In 1861, the Reverend M.R. Watkinson persuaded the secretary of the Treasury to try to introduce 'In God We Trust' as a motto on the coins of the land, arguing on the theological premise that in a Judeo-Christian nation, 'There is but one God.' Congress, then beginning to be responsive to the religious community and the votes that it was presumed to control, passed the Coinage Act of April 22, 1864, which designated that 'In God We Trust' be put on coins 'when and where sufficient space in the balance of the design' would permit it."

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-12 05:07pm

Talon Karrde wrote:Lol... well, good, then I'd venture to guess about 75% of Americans are idiots then, considering I believe about that amount would want it to stay.

Appeal to Popular Opinion fallacy. Why don't you use this "logic" to prove that God exists, since roughly the same proportion believe that too?

This I don't understand Darth... anytime an opinion differs with yours or liberal policies, the opposition is immediately branded as idiots.

Nice strawman, moron. I explained my reasoning, you immediately responded with fallacies.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-12 05:15pm

Darth, what you seem to never acknowledge is the fact that in a democracy popular rule is what detirmines the laws.

I'm not taking away your right to an opinion on this matter, Im just pointing out it's funny because I believe congress has the right to put this on our currency I'm immediately called an idiot, as in every other conversation. Instead of calling me this, and it wasn't you Darth, just simply express your disagreement and debate it.

How does "In God We Trust," state our governments promotion of monotheism? People can interpret this statement anyway they choose. Muslims can believe in Allah, Hindus can believe in whatever they believe, and so on and so forth. I assume you think "God" refers to ONE god, thus, it's monotheism. Would you rather have it say, "It all Gods we trust?" Probably not. I assume that you'd obviously rather have it stricken altogether. But here's the question I pose, why is it that any reference to the supernatural must be stricken from our currency and other government activities? If you don't agree with it, how does it hurt you?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-12 05:22pm

Popular Opinion does not override the existing legal status of the Constitution, fuckmook.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-12 05:23pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Popular Opinion does not override the existing legal status of the Constitution, fuckmook.

Well then you obviously are interpreting the Constitution differently than most of America.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-08-12 05:33pm

The US Constitution > popular opinion.

Thank this principle the next time majoirtyr opinion says that the right to bears arms is unpopular.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-12 05:33pm

Most of America doesn't vote. A significant quantity of America can't even fucking read. Most of America does not even know what their rights are. Most Americans don't know what the Establishment Clause is.

Only nine Americans are the Supreme Court of the United States.

I am getting this vibe that "America" as a generalization is neither equipped or empowered to give an opinion on the matter which is worth jack or shit.

And you cannot use the fact SCOTUS has not ruled against these things because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-08-12 05:44pm

Talon Karrde wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Popular Opinion does not override the existing legal status of the Constitution, fuckmook.
Well then you obviously are interpreting the Constitution differently than most of America.

It doesn't fucking matter how most of America interprets the Constitution, it matters how SCOTUS interprets the Constitution.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-08-12 08:20pm

Talon Karrde wrote:How does "In God We Trust," state our governments promotion of monotheism? People can interpret this statement anyway they choose. Muslims can believe in Allah...

Nice example, you chauvinistic twit. Interesting how you don't mention Atheists/agnostics/"no religion," which are more numerious than all non-Christian religions combined. "In God We Trust" misrepresents a greater amount of the non-Christian minority than it represents. *sniff sniff* I smell fundy bull.