School prayer loopholes

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-15 12:18pm

Mine too; I didn't bother attending my high school graduation ceremony. It seemed ridiculous to me to surround the awarding of such a trivial "honour" with such pomp and circumstance.

Ooooh, you managed to graduate from a system which is designed to let people with 80 IQs pass! Fucking CELEBRATE!!!

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2004-08-15 04:49pm

Darth Wong wrote:Mine too; I didn't bother attending my high school graduation ceremony. It seemed ridiculous to me to surround the awarding of such a trivial "honour" with such pomp and circumstance.

Ooooh, you managed to graduate from a system which is designed to let people with 80 IQs pass! Fucking CELEBRATE!!!

For me it was worth celebrating, not because the achievement was noteworthy, but because I would never have to go back to that awful place again.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-15 04:58pm

The Last Rebel wrote:
simply declaring a "moment of silence" to (wink wink nudge nudge) "contemplate".
And what's so bad about this? I think this is a good idea. It isn't religiously specific so you shouldn't piss and moan about this. Allows an individual a chance to pray or meditate on whatever's on his/her mind.

I always did pray in school--before a test. Quietly. It was one of the things I did to prepare. No one told me what I could or couldn't think. THAT is MY right. That is everyone's right.

While prayer is your right, a moment of silence was found to be unconstitutional because anyone who looks at it even briefly can tell it is just people trying to find a loophole. In fact, it was found unconstitutional in the 1980s.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-15 05:00pm

Robert Treder wrote:The diploma they give you in the graduation ceremony isn't a diploma at all; it's just a piece of paper representing a diploma. You get your actual diploma later.
If you've been allowed to attend the graduation ceremony, they've already awarded you the diploma, and AFAIK, they cannot rescind the diploma based on conduct at the graduation. But they can kick you out of the ceremony itself.

I get myy real diploma at graduation. Mesa Public Schools is one of the few discricts that still does that.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-15 05:18pm

I got my real diploma at graduation as well.

They think they have the right to let <snip cynicism> the students pray?

Erm, Einy?

United States Constitution, First Amendment wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

They have zero right to stop a student from praying if he so chooses; the corollary is that they not only have the right to allow students to pray, but they have to let students pray. Its when they start sponsoring said prayer/require participation that they're breaking the law. If I was in school and decided to pray silently, leading no one else and making no announcement that I was praying, and the thought police burst in and hauled me away saying that I am not allowed to pray in school even though I was merely practicing my religion, not establishing it, I would raise pure hell. A school sponsoring prayer breaks the Establishment Clause, but one banning it entirely among the student body prohibits the free exercise thereof, guaranteed directly after the Establishment Clause. Can't do that.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-08-15 05:35pm

Darth Wong wrote:Mine too; I didn't bother attending my high school graduation ceremony. It seemed ridiculous to me to surround the awarding of such a trivial "honour" with such pomp and circumstance.

Ooooh, you managed to graduate from a system which is designed to let people with 80 IQs pass! Fucking CELEBRATE!!!

Graduations are for the parents. I didn't want to go to my college one, but I did it because my parents wanted to see it.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-15 07:10pm

Darth Wong wrote:Mine too; I didn't bother attending my high school graduation ceremony. It seemed ridiculous to me to surround the awarding of such a trivial "honour" with such pomp and circumstance.

Ooooh, you managed to graduate from a system which is designed to let people with 80 IQs pass! Fucking CELEBRATE!!!

You spent some 12 years of your life going through the shit. May as well get a party out of it.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-08-15 07:17pm

Jessie Stamos wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Mine too; I didn't bother attending my high school graduation ceremony. It seemed ridiculous to me to surround the awarding of such a trivial "honour" with such pomp and circumstance.

Ooooh, you managed to graduate from a system which is designed to let people with 80 IQs pass! Fucking CELEBRATE!!!
You spent some 12 years of your life going through the shit. May as well get a party out of it.

Sitting for 1-2 hours in a black gown while listening to several near-identical speeches give a hand job to a shitty system is not my idea of a party.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-08-15 09:39pm

Utsanomiko wrote:Sitting for 1-2 hours in a black gown while listening to several near-identical speeches give a hand job to a shitty system is not my idea of a party.

I remembered my graduation. It stank. I was in my gown. After that, I had to go to the party in a fucking suit. I hate suits (which brings up the question I'd have to solve when I go to work for good), and personally see little reason as to why they are necessary for that party that's supposed to congratulate you for getting all of "basic" education.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-15 10:50pm

Utsanomiko wrote: Sitting for 1-2 hours in a black gown while listening to several near-identical speeches give a hand job to a shitty system is not my idea of a party.

I couldn't have invited relatives I'd not seen in years to a graduation party to give me money if I didn't go through the ceremony.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-15 10:52pm

Also, the ceremony ended up being pretty funny when the retarded families started screaming for their kids like they'd just won the Nobel Prize. There's really nothing funnier than watching somebody's fat mom run from rent-a-cops after screaming incoherently for their kid.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-15 10:55pm

Jessie Stamos wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Mine too; I didn't bother attending my high school graduation ceremony. It seemed ridiculous to me to surround the awarding of such a trivial "honour" with such pomp and circumstance.

Ooooh, you managed to graduate from a system which is designed to let people with 80 IQs pass! Fucking CELEBRATE!!!
You spent some 12 years of your life going through the shit. May as well get a party out of it.

It took you 12 years to get through high school? Most of us do it in 4. But that certainly explains a lot.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-08-15 11:28pm

Jessie Stamos wrote: I couldn't have invited relatives I'd not seen in years to a graduation party to give me money if I didn't go through the ceremony.

How the hell am I supposed to know that's how your graduation went, exactly? I didn't get relatives attend a party, and nobody I know get stuck with a clause like that. The ceremony itself sucks and that is what I am referring to.

Sorry about the 12 years of highschool, though.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-15 11:45pm

Ender wrote:It took you 12 years to get through high school? Most of us do it in 4. But that certainly explains a lot.

It's not called Grade 12 for nothing.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-15 11:47pm

Utsanomiko wrote: How the hell am I supposed to know that's how your graduation went, exactly? I didn't get relatives attend a party, and nobody I know get stuck with a clause like that.

You didn't get money from every relative you could scrounge up? Wasted opportunity.

The ceremony itself sucks and that is what I am referring to.

You didn't even get any drunk moms getting chased by the security?

Damn. Your graduation really did suck.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-08-16 12:12am

People who elevate high school graduation to an important event in their lives need to get a life.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-16 12:14am

Darth Wong wrote:People who elevate high school graduation to an important event in their lives need to get a life.

Getting out of prison isn't something to be proud of, either, but I'd still be glad if it happened.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-08-16 12:32am

Darth Wong wrote:People who elevate high school graduation to an important event in their lives need to get a life.

Well at least for me at the time I thought high school graduation might possibly be my one and only graduation. I struggled throughout most of high school, and even during my senior year, in which I made my best grades, I still managed to almost fail the one class left that was required to complete. I knew at the time I was going to college, but I was pretty pessimistic that I would make it another four years, especially four years that weren't going to be free. From where I was standing it looked like HS graduation might be one of the most important events I was going to get. Still, except for a quite dinner with the family afterwards, I didn't do any celebrating. I went on stage, got my diploma, did the photo op, said quick goodbyes to my few friends, and breathed a sigh of relief that those particular 13 years were over.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-08-16 12:51am

Jessie Stamos wrote: You didn't get money from every relative you could scrounge up? Wasted opportunity.

I got cards and cash in the mail, but it didn't have a damn thing to do with the ceremony itself, which is what I was referring to.

You didn't even get any drunk moms getting chased by the security?

Damn. Your graduation really did suck.

My brother's had a woman arguing with a cop about disrupting the graduates by going over to her daughter and giving her balloons and flowers, but neither that nor your example would get me to call it a 'party'. If anything like that happened at mine, I wouldn't be able to see it or listen to it.

The ceremony is dull, and trying to call it a party is just absurd.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-16 12:54am

Utsanomiko wrote: I got cards and cash in the mail, but it didn't have a damn thing to do with the ceremony itself, which is what I was referring to.

Lucky bastard.

My brother's had a woman arguing with a cop about disrupting the graduates by going over to her daughter and giving her balloons and flowers, but neither that nor your example would get me to call it a 'party'. If anything like that happened at mine, I wouldn't be able to see it or listen to it.

The ceremony is dull, and trying to call it a party is just absurd.

Maybe being in band and having to go to the ceremony all three years before I graduated gave me an appreciation for how funny trashy audience parents can be.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-08-16 09:29am

Jessie Stamos wrote: Maybe being in band and having to go to the ceremony all three years before I graduated gave me an appreciation for how funny trashy audience parents can be.

Oh please. I played at graduation for four fucking years (8th-11th grade) and all the stupid screaming parents convinced me of was that the genepool needs chlorine. I enjoyed the after-graduation band party more than the actual graduation ceremony, and all we did at that party was eat pizza and hot wings, and that's counting my own graduation.

I had to give one of those speeches my senior year, so I couldn't skip the damn thing. But I at least stuck two really nasty jabs at the school into the speech (nobody noticed) and, unlike every other fucking speech I'd ever heard at one of these ceremonies, I didn't ONCE mention how awesome my god is and how I would never have done everything if not for Jesus, and I didn't do the "oh woe is me the best times of my life are done" pitying crap that everyone else always did. So I declared it a moral victory, and a rather unpleasant one like all moral victories I declare.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-16 10:16am

Jessie Stamos wrote:
Ender wrote:It took you 12 years to get through high school? Most of us do it in 4. But that certainly explains a lot.
It's not called Grade 12 for nothing.

High school is only 4 years, grade school was the original 8 dipshit

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-08-16 10:37am

Darth Wong wrote:People who elevate high school graduation to an important event in their lives need to get a life.

Quite so.

I had to go because I was the Salutatorian(yay.....).

Did my speech...felt like a trussed up goose, and had three friends get their names mispronouced by the principal.

Truly, high school only gave me two things. The freakiest woman I have ever dated and a nickname.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-08-16 12:15pm

My school handed out fake diplomas, mainly to stop people from grabbing the diploma and then pulling a stunt like streaking through the church, giving their least favorite teachers the finger or something similar.

Jessie Stamos · Post by **Jessie Stamos** » 2004-08-16 12:19pm

Ender wrote:
Jessie Stamos wrote: It's not called Grade 12 for nothing.
High school is only 4 years, grade school was the original 8 dipshit

Does being confrontational make you feel like your dick is bigger or something?

You don't graduate from elementary school. You don't graduate from middle/junior high school. You graduate after completing all 12 grades.

That's why the numbering system doesn't start over every time you go to a new school.