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Thirdfain wrote:If your army is actuslly 8 billion men, I'll take your OOB for completely serious and actually treat your army's basic battle rifle as a 7.62 chemical projectile weapon- i.e, pretty much no good against the defenses of the comparatively extremely well equipped and trained 16-million man Hajr ground arm
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Sorry, you posted while I was posting. Calm down.
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number seems about right.
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The nukes were a slightly different story, they caused few casualties, and the troops had NBC protection. And all equpment was EMP hardened, it had little effect directly.
Uh....
And the shockwaves did knock people over and cause the detonation of any remaining mines. .
"Fuck, sir, a nuclear bomb!"

"No worries, soldier. Your NBC suit will mean that the sun-like thermal pulse and thousand-newton explosive blast will merely knock you around a bit!"

"Oh, ok. I'll just go play with kittens, then."

Seriously, what are you thinking? He's nuking your position. They are called "casualties." You take them.

Oh, and the drones which are immune to landmines? WTF?
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Thirdfain wrote:"Oh, ok. I'll just go play with kittens, then."

Seriously, what are you thinking? He's nuking your position. They are called "casualties." You take them.
Kittens? :lol:
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Yes, Alyrium, surface detonations of nuclear warheads hurt and will inflict casualties. Your best option is to try and intercept them before they impact, as opposed to ignoring them.
Oh, and the drones which are immune to landmines? WTF?
Yes, the minefields would be designed to destroy AFVs as well as infantry, you would lose all of these robots quickly. The best way to get through minefields, IMO, is to carve up the landscape. Burrowing nuclear bombs, or even a simple artillery bombardment could slice out a channel through a minefield.
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He blew up nukes well behind my lines to disrupt supplies. Unless I misread it, he stated "not much damage" and he didnt post their launch couldnt intercept.

We have vehicles now that are designed to take out landmines, they worked in africa to clear roads they SHOULD still work now. THe designs would be different, but the effect would be the same.

though, I am not opposed to burning through the minefield.
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Kittens?
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He blew up nukes well behind my lines to disrupt supplies. Unless I misread it, he stated "not much damage" and he didnt post their launch couldnt intercept.
All your troops wear full NBC armor? Even rear-area guys unloading supply trucks? It seems that having a-bombs go off in your rear areas would be VERY bad news.
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He blew up nukes well behind my lines to disrupt supplies. Unless I misread it, he stated "not much damage" and he didnt post their launch couldnt intercept.
All your troops wear full NBC armor? Even rear-area guys unloading supply trucks? It seems that having a-bombs go off in your rear areas would be VERY bad news.
When your landing sights had been nuked, it would make sense for them to wear NBC protection, even if it isnt armored. Though, the prevailing winds carried the horrible radiation in the opposite direction. Exposure is minimal. Not to say the blast itself wasnt painful.

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Alyrium Denryle wrote:We have vehicles now that are designed to take out landmines, they worked in africa to clear roads they SHOULD still work now. THe designs would be different, but the effect would be the same.
The deisgns would be different, but so would the mines. Something like a pop-up mine buried several meters deeper than the rest of the field that lies dormant until something disturbs the other mines (like a minesweeper) at which point it pops up and shoots an HEAT rocket at the first vehicle it sees.
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I was under the distinct impression that the nukes were buried. Thus, they get to try to disarm a buried nuclear landmine. NBC protection only gives you protection against the fallout. You still have the prompt radiation, thermal flash, and shock wave to deal with. No armor means that you don't get protection against any of those. And I would not be surprised to find out that a large number of the mines laid were AT mines, given the highly mechanized nature of most nation's militaries. One hit should be enough to disable those drones.
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Who in the hell uses nuclear landmines? Do they intend to drive off the Drakes and have an ash-covered wasteland to show for their trouble?
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Beowulf wrote:I was under the distinct impression that the nukes were buried. Thus, they get to try to disarm a buried nuclear landmine. NBC protection only gives you protection against the fallout. You still have the prompt radiation, thermal flash, and shock wave to deal with. No armor means that you don't get protection against any of those. And I would not be surprised to find out that a large number of the mines laid were AT mines, given the highly mechanized nature of most nation's militaries. One hit should be enough to disable those drones.
They couldnt bury them between our landing sites and army proper, because we would see them and they would die. They would have had to be launched

Armor against laser weapons, and a thermal flash are two completely different levels of intensity. ANd no amount of armor will save someone from the shockwave at close range. Momentum transfer turns organs to soup.
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Who in the hell uses nuclear landmines? Do they intend to drive off the Drakes and have an ash-covered wasteland to show for their trouble?
War these days includes WMDs as part of everyday combat. I suspect almost every power has nuclear land mines.
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They couldnt bury them between our landing sites and army proper, because we would see them and they would die. They would have had to be launched
Um, remember how that territory was under their control a few hours ago? Leaving a few explosive metal surprises to cover your retreat is hardly a new idea...
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Thirdfain wrote:
Who in the hell uses nuclear landmines? Do they intend to drive off the Drakes and have an ash-covered wasteland to show for their trouble?
War these days includes WMDs as part of everyday combat.
In space, sure...
I suspect almost every power has nuclear land mines.
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Rogue 9 wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:I suspect almost every power has nuclear land mines.
To paste your own land, thus doing the enemy's job for him? Brilliant, Einstein.
On the other hand, a radioactive wasteland isn't a very attractive prospect to invade, and forces the enemy to keep uncomfortable NBC protection on. Plus, at the tech level we're at, antimatter mines may be feasible, which wouldn't leave so much fallout.
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Beowulf wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:I suspect almost every power has nuclear land mines.
To paste your own land, thus doing the enemy's job for him? Brilliant, Einstein.
On the other hand, a radioactive wasteland isn't a very attractive prospect to invade, and forces the enemy to keep uncomfortable NBC protection on. Plus, at the tech level we're at, antimatter mines may be feasible, which wouldn't leave so much fallout.
Anti-matter is expensive and difficult to contain. It is much easier/efficient to use a nukes, especially for these pirates.
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Thirdfain wrote:
They couldnt bury them between our landing sites and army proper, because we would see them and they would die. They would have had to be launched
Um, remember how that territory was under their control a few hours ago? Leaving a few explosive metal surprises to cover your retreat is hardly a new idea...
If that were the case, Marcao would have posted it, it would probably be best to work under the assumption that they were launched simply due to the change of people, it would make things much more fluid.
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Thirdfain wrote:Actually, Stormbringer is actively posting.
Like I said, RL stuff. Have not been following stuff.

Stormbringer, in case you missed my last game thread post, or I missed yours, I just told your represenative at the diplomatic talks that a Monacoarn representative would like to attend.

Next time you're on just post and let me know what you want to do. I'll write it up or whatever.
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To paste your own land, thus doing the enemy's job for him? Brilliant, Einstein.
Don't be dense. One can toss around quite a bit of firepower before an area becomes a complete lost cause. I'd rather have a month of cleanup work than a city in enemy hands.

Besides, the enemy is often kind enough to land out in the wilderness, where one can turn them into glowing dust without significantly harming your industry.
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Rogue 9 wrote:To paste your own land, thus doing the enemy's job for him? Brilliant, Einstein.
Scorched Earth is nothing new, and in societies as advanced as in our game the long term effects of nuclear detonations could be treated to the point of near inconsequence. After the initial blast of radiation the worst you're getting is an elevated risk of cancer and mutation in newly concieved babies--I can only assume that most civilizations in the game have cured cancer and possess gene therapy technology.
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Indeed, given the basic tech level any radiation that isn't immediately fatal is going to be no more serious than any other burn.
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Question: Wouldn't the high level of automation of this tech level lower the workers needed per solder?

Didn't Rome maintain near 10% of it's population under arms for over 2 centuries?

I'm just wondering here.
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frigidmagi wrote:Didn't Rome maintain near 10% of it's population under arms for over 2 centuries?
Not even close. Roman Imperial mobilization typically hovered between 250,000 and 300,000 men out of a population of between 40 and 65 million. A good estimate would be closer to .8%. In the Republican days it's possible that the figure was a good deal higher, but that was a much smaller system and high mobilization rates work best at smaller scales.
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